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Pope Francis demands 'legitimate redistribution' of wealth
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 05/09/2014 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 05/09/2014 7:15:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

VATICAN CITY (AP) - Pope Francis called Friday for governments to redistribute wealth to the poor in a new spirit of generosity to help curb the "economy of exclusion" that is taking hold today.

Francis made the appeal during a speech to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the heads of major U.N. agencies who met in Rome this week.

Latin America's first pope has frequently lashed out at the injustices of capitalism and the global economic system that excludes so much of humanity, though his predecessors have voiced similar concerns.

On Friday, Francis called for the United Nations to promote a "worldwide ethical mobilization" of solidarity with the poor in a new spirit of generosity.

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1 posted on 05/09/2014 7:15:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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I guess the Vatican guard is going to become the UN IRS?


2 posted on 05/09/2014 7:17:47 AM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: SeekAndFind

How about redistribution of the Catholic churches wealth 1st!!


3 posted on 05/09/2014 7:17:58 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: SeekAndFind

One can get wealth redistributed to oneself by getting one’s dead ass and getting a job!!!


4 posted on 05/09/2014 7:18:10 AM PDT by ontap
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To: SeekAndFind

It sounds as though he isn’t familiar with oxymorons.


5 posted on 05/09/2014 7:18:27 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As a loyal and faithful Catholic, I do not think popes are “infallible”. ESPECIALLY THIS ONE!!!!!!!!!!

I’m tired of his Marxist pronouncements. Cannot distinguish between him and BHO when it comes to economic policy.


6 posted on 05/09/2014 7:18:29 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: ontap

There should be an”off” in there!!!


7 posted on 05/09/2014 7:19:17 AM PDT by ontap
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To: CGASMIA68
How about redistribution of the Catholic churches wealth 1st!!

This pope can suck it. What a hypocritical bag of feces.

8 posted on 05/09/2014 7:19:38 AM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Crazy Cracker Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I think this Pope just stepped on his you know what!


9 posted on 05/09/2014 7:20:04 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: SeekAndFind
Foreign aid can best be described as taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries.

Which is exactly how all "redistribution" schemes work out.

10 posted on 05/09/2014 7:20:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: ontap

thanks,figured that out


11 posted on 05/09/2014 7:20:42 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: SeekAndFind

I love Pope Francis. Seriously. He is the best thing that has happened to Catholicism since Pope (now Saint) John Paul II.

Pope Francis will be happy to know we in the US are well on our way of redistributing all our wealth to the less wealthy through a number of well intentioned social programs.

The programs are funded in large part by those Christian loving Chinese, are making us a nation of lazy dependents and will ultimately bankrupt the Country. Then, there will be no more wealth to redistribute. Other than that, it is all good.


12 posted on 05/09/2014 7:21:04 AM PDT by dan on the right
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To: SeekAndFind

It appears satan’s consistent influence has made it’s way to the top.


13 posted on 05/09/2014 7:21:04 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: SeekAndFind

VATICAN CITY (AP) - Pope Francis called Friday for governments to redistribute wealth to the poor in a new spirit of generosity to help curb the “economy of exclusion” that is taking hold today.

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Seriously? Are you kidding me?

If the Pope ever gets tired of running the Catholic Church; he’d be damn good at running the Democratic National Committee.


14 posted on 05/09/2014 7:21:14 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Reagan had JP2 and Maggie and took down the Soviets. We have Obama and Francis and Fidel, and the Soviets will take us down.


15 posted on 05/09/2014 7:21:43 AM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
As a loyal and faithful Catholic, I do not think popes are “infallible”. ESPECIALLY THIS ONE!!!!!!!!!!

The dogma of papal infallibility only applies when the Pope makes a pronouncement on Church doctrine.

This isn't Church doctrine. This is a brain-fart that was verbally expressed.

16 posted on 05/09/2014 7:22:07 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: SeekAndFind
redistribute wealth to the poor in a new spirit of generosity t

Before the Pope haters pile on, this is inline with the best traditions of Christian capitalism. Redistributing wealth to the poor through "generosity" is called charity and it worked really well in this country before cradle-to-grave entitlements came along, paid for with back-breaking tax burdens that take away the ability of families to help to the truly needed.

17 posted on 05/09/2014 7:22:12 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The first post-Christian Pope.

Totally clueless


18 posted on 05/09/2014 7:22:39 AM PDT by ZULU (https://www.facebook.com/freejustina)
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To: dan on the right

“Seriously”

I think this thread may prove that of the mark,way off.


19 posted on 05/09/2014 7:23:10 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: SeekAndFind

“Demands”? Journalists have free rein to just make stuff up. Nice job to have.


20 posted on 05/09/2014 7:23:35 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: ElkGroveDan

I’m not a pope hater. Urban II was my favorite kind of Pope.


21 posted on 05/09/2014 7:23:51 AM PDT by ZULU (https://www.facebook.com/freejustina)
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To: SeekAndFind

God help us all. the Pope is now officially advocating the forcible taking of the fruit of one man’s labor to benefit others. What is it they used to call that? Why not do this; reform the Crusades and take from the Muslims all they have stolen over the centuries. Redistribute that, if you want.


22 posted on 05/09/2014 7:24:17 AM PDT by steve8714 (Islam is militant. Atheism is militant. Where is my Catholic Church?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder if GOD gave us the million dollar lotteries to demonstrate to us what happens when money is given instead of earned? The lesson is lost on us.


23 posted on 05/09/2014 7:25:49 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Bull Crap. The Church never used the government to provide charity.

If you believe “Christian capitalism” is best acheived through the State taking my taxes and redistributing them to the poor, then you have a major FAIL in both Politics and Religion.


24 posted on 05/09/2014 7:27:21 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

The story said he calls on GOVERNMENTS to redistribute wealth.

That’s worked out just great so far, right?

Either he was misquoted, or he’s an idiot, or he is a leftist of the Obama stripe.


25 posted on 05/09/2014 7:27:24 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: SeekAndFind

The Vatican website say that Pope Francis said “legitimate redistribution of benefits. Why did the AP change that to redistribution of wealth? That’s what I want to know.


26 posted on 05/09/2014 7:27:54 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ryan71

God gave us the book of Proverbs to address that issue.


27 posted on 05/09/2014 7:28:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sure the Pope thinks it is immoral to ignore the truly poor, hungry, needy. I do too. But I wonder if the Pope thinks it’s immoral to rob people of their initiative and their work ethic, and to effectively run fathers out of the home, by addicting families and generations to public assistance? I wonder if he thinks it’s immoral to rob a person at gunpoint, then turn around and give the loot to someone else, someone considered more deserving? Forced redistribution of wealth is every bit as immoral as ignoring helpless widows and orphans.


28 posted on 05/09/2014 7:29:15 AM PDT by opus86
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To: ElkGroveDan

Here’s the money shot;”the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the state”. This has nothing to do with Christianity and less to do with capitalism.
This is as indefensible as the “sign of Peace” or praying at Mass holding hands. We’re the Catholic Church, not a hippie commune.


29 posted on 05/09/2014 7:29:27 AM PDT by steve8714 (Islam is militant. Atheism is militant. Where is my Catholic Church?)
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To: SeekAndFind
As a retired Catholic who has had an opportunity to do business with the Church in the past, I am constrained to point out to His Holiness that the Church itself has vast liquid assets it can redistribute for this purpose immediately. Like right now...today.

If the Church wanted to liquidate some of its more illiquid asset base (which is truly galactic in scale) over a longer period, I'm certain that those assets, once turned to cash, would also yield considerable redistributable wealth.

All His Holiness needs is the courage to make the decision.
30 posted on 05/09/2014 7:30:22 AM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I'm tired of his Marxist pronouncements

As long as he sticks to religous issues, it's in his realm. But this is a political issue. If he is saying that employees of the Church should get a raise, that works.

31 posted on 05/09/2014 7:31:04 AM PDT by grania
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Wow, the liberals will be happy to hear this.

The liberals have taken and run with this comments that “who is he to judge” if a homosexual is truly seeking the will of God, etc. to mean that this pope is friendly to homosexuality.

Now the liberals will take this and run with it, that this pope is some sort of Marxist at heart.

Geez.................


32 posted on 05/09/2014 7:31:29 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind
Taking without consent and recompense is THEFT.
I think the bible has something to say about that.

Charity is good but when it's not voluntary it's not charity.

33 posted on 05/09/2014 7:31:35 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It is welfare for Swiss banks.


34 posted on 05/09/2014 7:31:36 AM PDT by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind
Pope Francis called Friday for governments to redistribute wealth to the poor in a new spirit of generosity

Sorry, Pope, but the governments you encourage to partner with you in this effort will extract the money at gunpoint. Where in the Gospels did Christ teach that the threat of violence was ok?

Of course, governments will fall all over themselves to support you in this matter, along with their Media toadies, because this is yet another way to expand Big Government, just like Global Warming.

The poor are with us BECAUSE of government. Think of your own land Argentina - it was one of the wealthiest countries until the redistributionists took over.

Pope - get a clue before spouting about matters you know little about. You're gonna make things worse. More government is not the solution to ANYTHING.

35 posted on 05/09/2014 7:31:41 AM PDT by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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Before the Pope haters pile on, this is inline with the best traditions of Christian capitalism.

He called for government to do it, not individuals. Big difference.

I think the pope should review the 10 commandments, specifically 7 and 9.

From Luther's small catechism,

7) Thou shalt not steal.

We should fear and love God that we may not take our neighbor's money or property, nor get them by false ware or dealing, but help him to improve and protect his property and business [that his means are preserved and his condition is improved].

9) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.

We should fear and love God that we may not craftily seek to get our neighbor's inheritance or house, and obtain it by a show of [justice and] right, etc., but help and be of service to him in keeping it.

Sigh. Why doesn't this pope understand stealing and coveting? Just because you can make it legal, doesn't make it right.

36 posted on 05/09/2014 7:32:03 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: SeekAndFind

Being intelligent many times makes one very ignorant.


37 posted on 05/09/2014 7:32:50 AM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stop all breeding in third world countries.


38 posted on 05/09/2014 7:34:38 AM PDT by Post5203 (For the first time in my life, I despise this country.)
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To: CGASMIA68
How about redistribution of the Catholic churches wealth 1st!!

Haven't heard that one in a while. The Catholic Church has no wealth to give away—she already gives it away every year. There remain some nice buildings and art commissioned or collected with the contributions of Catholics (and others). But these people over the centuries donated their money, from the peasants' pennies to the kings' millions, with the understanding that these costly works would be made or acquired for the glory of God and the edification of mankind—rather than for financial gain, as the Church's detractors on this front seem to favor.

The love of money, as St. Paul pointed out, is the root of evil.

39 posted on 05/09/2014 7:35:00 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: ALPAPilot
“legitimate redistribution of benefits.

You think that is better? Means exactly nothing to me. What in the world is a benefit?

40 posted on 05/09/2014 7:35:26 AM PDT by DManA
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To: ElkGroveDan

“Redistributing wealth to the poor through “generosity” is called charity...”

Except he’s calling on the governments to do it, so it’s not charity, because it is not voluntary when the government has a gun to your head. That is just theft.


41 posted on 05/09/2014 7:36:03 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ALPAPilot
 

The Vatican website say that Pope Francis said “legitimate redistribution of benefits. Why did the AP change that to redistribution of wealth? That’s what I want to know.

Either the Vatican is trying to put a positive spin on some outright stupid remarks the Pope said, or the MSM is trying to manipulate Il Papa's words to fit their agenda.

Or both.

Based on this and many other suspicious remarks Francis has made - I'm convinced he is a clueless leftist.

42 posted on 05/09/2014 7:36:05 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Now do Catholics get it? Francis is a Socialist hypocrite. Charity does not come from government. And like most Socialists, he wants OTHERS to give theirs away. You don’t see him auctioning off any part of his priceless empire to give to the “poor”.


43 posted on 05/09/2014 7:36:50 AM PDT by montag813
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Unless you are one of the privileged few who know what goes on in the Vatican bank you have no basis to assert that.

The Catholic Church has no wealth to give away

44 posted on 05/09/2014 7:37:01 AM PDT by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind

The Marxists now own the world from top to bottom.


45 posted on 05/09/2014 7:38:16 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: FlingWingFlyer

We now know what Zero and the pope discussed in their meeting.


46 posted on 05/09/2014 7:38:45 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Pope, people need to EARN their money, not to get it by having it TAKEN from others. The church used to encourage people to better themselves through hard work and help for those that couldn’t through CHARITY, not confiscation.


47 posted on 05/09/2014 7:38:49 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: SeekAndFind
He might be infallible on matters of faith but on this one he is dead wrong. Where to these useful idiots come from?
48 posted on 05/09/2014 7:40:17 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Render to Caesar what is Caesar's... Caesar did not generate this wealth so why should Caesar take it? Giving to those less fortunate out of charity and generosity is one thing, but to have a corrupt government to forcibly take what people have worked hard to get and give it to people who may not deserve it but have manipulated the system is not charity.
49 posted on 05/09/2014 7:41:26 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

If I were Catholic, I’d stop giving and donating to the church. After all, my taxes are enough “charity” for the poor, right?

I suspect the Pope would like ALL countries to follow Spain’s example. There a portion of taxes you pay to the State are allocated to the Church.


50 posted on 05/09/2014 7:42:00 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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