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Pope Francis demands 'legitimate redistribution' of wealth
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 05/09/2014 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 05/09/2014 7:15:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: ElkGroveDan

If the pope actually said that GOVERNMENTS were to do the redistribution, then this is NOT charity - it is governmental theft.

Charity is giving voluntarily. Taxes, despite the feeble BS of the IRS, are NOT voluntary.


61 posted on 05/09/2014 7:50:49 AM PDT by MortMan (I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

He is calling for government to do it. That cannot be conflated with voluntary, private giving. Disingenuous at best.


62 posted on 05/09/2014 7:51:09 AM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ah, the church of the New World Order comes alive.


63 posted on 05/09/2014 7:51:45 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Bible says we should not give deference to the poor (economic affirmative action, if you will):
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgement: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor. (Leviticus 19:15)

This is talking about rendering judgement. This anti-christ pope is doing just this, giving deference to the poor. It is not the job of governments to steel from one and give to another. Men may freely give of their own volition, not be coerced by the their governments or world "bodies" (UN, Vatican, etc.)

The Vatican cannot escape its heavy-handed proclivities. They have slaughtered God's saints for centuries and will no doubt be instrumental at the end in propping up false "world religion" of a ecumenical bent.

64 posted on 05/09/2014 7:52:08 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I don’t know his intention.

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Then you’re not paying attention to what he’s been saying and doing. If this latest gaffe was was an isolated incident and out of character with many other remarks and speeches, then yeah. Give the man a pass.

But - sad to say - This is very much in line with the many other leftist things he’s said and done since taking the job of Pope.


65 posted on 05/09/2014 7:53:30 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Nobody has endured longer than the Catholic Church, and none are worse at learning from its mistakes. (Reformation was one exception).


66 posted on 05/09/2014 7:54:32 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (.)
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To: DManA
what goes on in the Vatican bank

As has been revealed over the past decades of scandals, the Vatican Bank is largely a black hole. The idea that the Catholic Church—which already staffs and finances more hospitals, hospices, schools, colleges, soup kitchens, and so on than any other entity in the world—could make a dent in world poverty by selling any of its tangible goods is silly.

Poverty is caused by behavior, not a lack of cash. That's why expropriating funds from anyone by force to transfer them to the poor does no good. And that, by the way, is why I am careful to note that Papal pronouncements calling for governments to redistribute citizens' wealth are not, and can never be de fide or necessary to believe in order to remain a Catholic in good standing.

I also rarely consult Papal encyclicals for baseball statistics. But on the nature of God and man, the moral law, and the salvation of my soul, there's no competition.

67 posted on 05/09/2014 7:55:54 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
You don't understand the doctrine of infallibility. It is rarely invoked and we as Catholics need to understand that not everything the Pope utters is infallible. That is where most people have the most misunderstanding.
A doctrine proposed by a pope as his own opinion, not solemnly proclaimed as a doctrine of the Church, may be rejected as false, even if it is on a matter of faith and morals, and even more any view he expresses on other matters.
68 posted on 05/09/2014 7:56:13 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: Milton Miteybad

“As a retired Catholic...”

I didn’t think you could retire from Catholicism? Don’t you have to stay active and doing the work???


69 posted on 05/09/2014 7:56:19 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: ElkGroveDan

The only thing wrong with your logic is that “giving” is voluntary (being necessary for blessings to be given), whereas “taxes” are mandatory and offer no such benefits.


70 posted on 05/09/2014 7:57:18 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

“Nobody has endured longer than the Catholic Church”

Unless you add Jews and Hindus...


71 posted on 05/09/2014 7:57:34 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: Fitzy_888

Oh, I almost forgot. My friend working as a social worker for Catholic Charities...

It takes a few years for a social worker to gain a license and in these years there are certain periodic reviews that must take place with the employer. It’s a formality really, as little as a few meetings a year with some brief paperwork. Maybe three hours per year. The administration at Catholic Charities couldn’t be bothered to do this. Was it because they weren’t collecting enough in overhead or was it because a social worker once licensed might move on? Good question.


72 posted on 05/09/2014 7:58:31 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: SeekAndFind
Surely the Pope knows that there is a huge amount of redistribution already going on. In 2013, in the US alone:

SNAP Program - $76 billion (a 150% increase since 2007)
School Lunch Program - $12 billion (5 billion lunches)
School Breakfast Program - $3.5 billion
Child/Adult Nutrition Program - $2.8 billion
Federal Unemployment Program - $26 billion
Private Charity Donations - $316 billion (not all to the poor)

This just scratches the surface. Most state budgets devote 25-40% to "human services," a large percentage of which goes to the poor. Plus a lot of public funding - Medicare, Medicaid, social security, public schools - goes to the poor, even though it is not necessarily earmarked as "aid to the poor".

It is hard to get reliable overall figures, because much of the state costs come from the federal government, so there is the danger of double-counting, but I would not be surprised if the US spends more than $1 trillion a year on its own poor.
73 posted on 05/09/2014 7:58:38 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: SeekAndFind

He is a Marxist.


74 posted on 05/09/2014 7:58:45 AM PDT by Katarina
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“Unless you add Jews and Hindus...”

Point taken, and to further mine and yours both, the Jews are worse at learning from history than even the Catholics.


75 posted on 05/09/2014 7:59:02 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Saw lots of famous art works at the Vatican museum — start by selling those.


76 posted on 05/09/2014 8:00:10 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve often heard that Protestants don’t understand Papal Infallibility. I’m starting to think a lot of Catholics don’t quite get it either. The Pope is making statements about economics that are stupid. He is stupid and wrong on the subject. How any conservative can defend this is beyond me. He’s calling for the state to make economic decisions. That doesn’t work, has never worked, and CANNOT work. Human nature (not good) dictates that it cannot. What the Pope is advocating leads to poverty, regardless of his good intentions. On this subject he is JUST A MAN, and not a smart one.


77 posted on 05/09/2014 8:01:29 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: SamuraiScot
There remain some nice buildings and art

Oh, there's a little more than that. Your downplaying of church ownership of land worldwide (not just the land on which churches sit) is disingenuous. Vatican art works alone are priceless.

BTW, I'm a saint too. Paul the Apostle said so. 1 Cor 6:2, Eph 2:19

78 posted on 05/09/2014 8:01:51 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: SeekAndFind

Go to Hell, Francis.


79 posted on 05/09/2014 8:02:50 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Pitch black is the new "transparent.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Lets start with all the money in Brussels and the UN.


80 posted on 05/09/2014 8:02:57 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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