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'“It’s similar to the military,” Shaw said regarding the rules of engagement. “We don’t fire unless fired upon. We’re not here to provoke anything. We’re just there to make sure the government doesn’t over-reach and that the government doesn’t overstep their bounds.” Shaw detailed the incidents at Waco and Ruby Ridge as precedents where the government took what many believe to be improper actions that led to the unnecessary deaths of American citizens.'
1 posted on 04/25/2014 2:43:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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2 posted on 04/25/2014 2:46:04 PM PDT by tomkat
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3 posted on 04/25/2014 2:48:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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Again, the issue is not necessarily whether BLM has ownership, but, if they do in fact own it,

on what constitutional grounds to they continue to own it?

If no valid ground for ownership, they must sell it back to the states or private citizens.

5 posted on 04/25/2014 2:48:28 PM PDT by PapaNew
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When “law” becomes tyranny, resistance becomes duty.

Aim small, Y’all. We have your back.


6 posted on 04/25/2014 2:48:32 PM PDT by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, sharia is POISON.)
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My automatic reaction is to wince at this group's proclamation.

But after thinking about it some more I find it completely consistent with the words of the founders.

8 posted on 04/25/2014 2:52:57 PM PDT by skeeter
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“In light of past worldwide atrocities committed by tyrants, though, to threaten the Second Amendment rights of ordinary American citizens is itself insanity. Those wishing to ban assault weapons fail to understand the original intent of the Second Amendment. “

Dr. Ben Carson @ TownHall

http://townhall.com/columnists/drbencarson/2014/04/23/when-government-looks-more-like-foe-than-friend-n1827899/page/2


9 posted on 04/25/2014 2:53:12 PM PDT by Red Steel
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Poking a hornet’s nest is dumb.

Poking it some more is plain stupid.

Kicking it open can be.. a really bad thing for somebody.


11 posted on 04/25/2014 2:58:15 PM PDT by humblegunner
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Let’s see. A diplomatic war with Russia, a Diplomatic war with China and insurrection at home.

1000 day’s may be too much.


12 posted on 04/25/2014 2:58:17 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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Regardless of what Beck or Hannity say, fight fire with fire!


13 posted on 04/25/2014 2:59:31 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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Throw tortoises at the BLM. Use a catapult and rain tortoises down on their heads. Send boxes of tortoises via FedEX to BLM forts.


15 posted on 04/25/2014 3:04:48 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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No government at gunpoint!


16 posted on 04/25/2014 3:06:55 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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19 posted on 04/25/2014 3:10:02 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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'“It’s similar to the military,” Shaw said regarding the rules of engagement. “We don’t fire unless fired upon. We’re not here to provoke anything. We’re just there to make sure the government doesn’t over-reach and that the government doesn’t overstep their bounds.” Shaw detailed the incidents at Waco and Ruby Ridge as precedents where the government took what many believe to be improper actions that led to the unnecessary deaths of American citizens.'

Our Founders would whole heatedly support this position. They rose up and fought against tyranny.

It is correct to emphasize that they will NOT fire unless fired upon. Let the people see the true tyrants -- those in government.

20 posted on 04/25/2014 3:11:02 PM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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Shaw affirmed that his militia members who deployed to Nevada were armed with a variety of military style weapons including AR-15s, AK-47s and others. They also include precision shooting firearms like deer hunting rifles and other military surplus items...

Just another dumb statement....IMO. I have a couple deer rifles that will totally out shoot...any military style rifle..

Okay...rant off.

21 posted on 04/25/2014 3:12:38 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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It must be made a sacred maxim, that the militia obey the executive power, which represents the whole people, in the execution of laws. To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defence, or by partial orders of towns, counties, or districts of a state, is to demolish every institution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man — it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed, and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.

- John Adams (1787)


24 posted on 04/25/2014 3:17:47 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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“they are prepared to use deadly force “

The BLM used “deadly force” in killing Bundy’s cattle, but was it reasonable under the circumstances?

Anyone actually prepared to defend himself or herself, and their family, is prepared to use reasonable force under the circumstances—which may include deadly force. So what Shaw is saying isn’t really that extraordinary.

Of course DUmpster Divers—and even a few here—will fluster: “I swan! Oh my goodness gracious, me oh my—`Deadly force’! That’s really extreme, maybe even racist, Heavens to Murgatroyd—where are my smelling salts!?”


28 posted on 04/25/2014 3:24:33 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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29 posted on 04/25/2014 3:24:51 PM PDT by potlatch ("Dream as if you'll live forever...Live as if you'll die today")
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Where to start. First the author must not know much about firearms. “...They also include precision shooting firearms like deer hunting rifles and other military surplus items...” At the range I go to neither of those would necessarily be classified as “precision shooting firearms” during a bench rest match. Then again, they might be more than good enough to disable a “man sized” target as a few hundred yards.

Now, in most States there is language that defines justifiable homicide and the use of deadly force. Most of them are tied to what a reasonable man would do to protect the life or protect from sever bodily harm a person with a deadly weapon or someone the person with the deadly weapons feels is in danger.

The real question is what would a “reasonable man” do in a situation where he has the ability to use deadly force to protect someone from being killed or harmed. An interesting question, if the threat also happens to be a government employee.

Personally, I would not want to try to guess how a jury would come down on the question, but I sure would jump at an opportunity to be on that jury so as to let the government know how I feel about their militarization of various government agencies.

68 posted on 04/25/2014 5:27:13 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2013/07/23/bill-oreilly-president-obama-and-race-problem

The whole Fox News team has proven what a bunch of sniveling, pc, boot-licking cowards they all are. So much for journalism on their part. When King O’Reilly says it; it’s groundbreaking. When Cliven Bundy says it; it’s rascist and appalling.


74 posted on 04/25/2014 5:51:34 PM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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Tick... tick... tick...


75 posted on 04/25/2014 5:51:55 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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