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BLM ON TEXAS LAND: NOT A LAND GRAB, ITíS ALREADY OURS
Breitbart ^ | April 25, 2014 | By Bob Price

Posted on 04/25/2014 11:04:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

The U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Oklahoma Field Office responded to Breitbart Texas about the so-called Red River “land grab” by emphasizing that parcels in question are already held in the public domain and BLM-managed. The Bureau claims it is not they who are declaring the ownership but that settled case law long declared it to be government land.

BLM Public Relations Specialist Paul McGuire agreed to a one-on-one telephone interview with Breitbart Texas after reading the original report published earlier this week. In contrast with the interview with Texas General Land Office Commissioner Jerry Patterson, McGuire expressed much more confidence about the ownership of the land and indicated little, if any, ambiguity about how or why the land should be under federal control.

“It’s not the BLM making any such claim as to the status of the land,” McGuire said. “That land was a matter that the courts adjudicated decades ago, going back to the 1920s in fact. The Supreme Court settled the matter as to where the public land in the Red River was. So, BLM is really just proceeding on those earlier court decisions.”

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: blm; federalland; landgrab; oklahoma; redriverland; texas
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I believe this will be fighting words to a lot of Texans.

God bless Texas.

1 posted on 04/25/2014 11:04:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

They don’t think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.


2 posted on 04/25/2014 11:05:47 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Didn’t Ayn Rand say something relevant here?

When the law no longer protects you from the corrupt, but protects the corrupt from you, your nation is doomed......


3 posted on 04/25/2014 11:07:16 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: LUV W; nuconvert; txhurl; GeronL

Texas Ping.


4 posted on 04/25/2014 11:08:24 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Jim Robinson
The Bureau claims it is not they who are declaring the ownership but that settled case law long declared it to be government land.

The classic liberal mantra. "It's settled. Now shut up."

5 posted on 04/25/2014 11:08:25 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: bicyclerepair

bump


6 posted on 04/25/2014 11:08:30 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Jim Robinson
BLM Public Relations Specialist Paul McGuire agreed to a one-on-one telephone interview with Breitbart Texas after reading the original report published earlier this week. In contrast with the interview with Texas General Land Office Commissioner Jerry Patterson, McGuire expressed much more confidence about the ownership of the land and indicated little, if any, ambiguity about how or why the land should be under federal control. “It’s not the BLM making any such claim as to the status of the land,” McGuire said. “That land was a matter that the courts adjudicated decades ago, going back to the 1920s in fact. The Supreme Court settled the matter as to where the public land in the Red River was. So, BLM is really just proceeding on those earlier court decisions.”

"...and this time, we're bringing tanks."

7 posted on 04/25/2014 11:08:55 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Jim Robinson
So the BLM's argument is that they can seize hundreds of thousands of acres of land based on an obscure court decision almost 100 years ago that was never enforced?

Wow.

8 posted on 04/25/2014 11:08:58 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Jim Robinson
“That land was a matter that the courts adjudicated decades ago, going back to the 1920s in fact.

It was "adjudicated" in 1836, 1845 & 1849 you ill-bred puddle-lapping mongrel of a revenuer.

If they click "go" on this.. hijinks will ensue.

9 posted on 04/25/2014 11:11:12 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: driftdiver

Santa is making a list and checking it twice..Paul McGuire


10 posted on 04/25/2014 11:11:35 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Alex Murphy
we're bringing tanks...

If they bring a knife, you bring a gun.
If they bring a handgun, you bring a rifle.
If they bring a tank, you bring an A-10.

11 posted on 04/25/2014 11:13:28 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Ping.


12 posted on 04/25/2014 11:14:06 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: humblegunner

If they thought Bundy Ranch was bad, just let them try it here. There are still too many of us around who remember Waco. Never again.


13 posted on 04/25/2014 11:14:24 AM PDT by Ancient Man
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To: driftdiver; TheMom; Eaker; penelopesire; BuckeyeTexan; NYTexan; humblegunner; mylife; onyx; ...

Here’s a debate on the BLM controlling public lands. The smug progressive, ie, communist BLM bureaucrat even arrives about ten minutes late and then informs everyone that the real problems are that there is not enough money available for education and welfare and that our current problems actually began in the 80’s when the progressive tax rates were reduced. This is all about moving the communist agenda and not about anything else.

Direct link to debate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y_Mqkpivcg

Link to article:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57855791-90/state-federal-blm-lands.html.csp


14 posted on 04/25/2014 11:15:28 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Come and take it."

 photo stock-footage-texas-state-flag-waving-grunge-lookcopy_zpse2bd7285.jpg
15 posted on 04/25/2014 11:17:29 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Jim Robinson

Looks like it’s time for Texans to just go and take claim back from the BLM.


16 posted on 04/25/2014 11:18:46 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: bicyclerepair

Case law is becoming an ever more unreliable basis for future determinations of either fairness or justice.

Because judicial courts do not determine “right” or “wrong”, they only designate what is either legal or illegal.

Case law, based on the old English law code, preceded the application of the standards of the US Constitution, and the framework of the Declaration of Independence. It has evolved since then to cover situations that may only exist in a certain set of circumstances, and in a given time period. As a result, case law has many contradictions and outright opposing precedents, which in the end, only succeed in enriching the legal profession.

And does not do a thing for their public perception.


17 posted on 04/25/2014 11:19:02 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen. God bless Texas.
If BLM shows up in Texas, tens of thousands of Texas Patriots will
greet them.


18 posted on 04/25/2014 11:23:04 AM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: Jim Robinson

>>God bless Texas.<<

God have mercy on BLM


19 posted on 04/25/2014 11:26:25 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: wideawake

Has anyone ever heard of the doctrine of “adverse occupancy”?

It varies from state to state, but if an individual has occupied a certain piece of property, enjoying its benefits as if in ownership, without challenge from any other individual or entity, up to and including the payment of land taxes (not necessarily fees), for a certain period of time (from maybe one or two, up to twenty years or more), title then may be awarded to the occupant of the land.

This also works on fractional parts of the bundle or rights that goes with property, including easements and water rights.


20 posted on 04/25/2014 11:27:31 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Your right Jim, The Federal Government doesn’t own the land the American People own the land and Parks and State, Federal Buildings!!!


21 posted on 04/25/2014 11:27:44 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Ancient Man

>>too many of us around who remember Waco. Never again.<<

Waco? What was that? Oh, I remember. You mean the murder of innocent children by the federal gubbamint?


22 posted on 04/25/2014 11:28:28 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: alloysteel

Exactly what I was thinking.

But, I am betting that it doesn’t apply to the government.


23 posted on 04/25/2014 11:29:04 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Jim Robinson

Well past time to be using GPS as part of the plot boundaries. Especially for land near and abutting moving water.


24 posted on 04/25/2014 11:29:31 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Jim Robinson
Oh, hell no.


25 posted on 04/25/2014 11:30:01 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: humblegunner
hijinks will ensue.

wow... How I loves me an understatement, yes I do.

26 posted on 04/25/2014 11:31:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Ancient Man

It’s already been stated, if they surround someone, they themselves will be surrounded.


27 posted on 04/25/2014 11:32:08 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Jim Robinson

The BLM doesn’t own any of the land. The Fed, in reality based on original intent, manages the land until it is disposed of, and it is intended to be disposed of.


28 posted on 04/25/2014 11:34:26 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Jim Robinson

This Obama government needs a good dressing down. They “own” nothing, the people do.

Only hope for this country is their removal. What an arrogant bunch of bastards.


29 posted on 04/25/2014 11:37:27 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks. Will read/watch this weekend.


30 posted on 04/25/2014 11:38:25 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: servantboy777

[ From the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) — Oklahoma Field Office: ]

This land’s not your land, this land is MY land
From California to the New York Island,
From the Redwood Forests, to the Gulf stream waters,
This land belongs to only ME...


31 posted on 04/25/2014 11:38:49 AM PDT by mikrofon (~ BH Obama, _resident/Squatter)
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To: xzins

Yeah, but they dispose of it to foreign entities while lining their own pockets by selling out America.


32 posted on 04/25/2014 11:38:53 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Alex Murphy

“...and this time, we’re bringing tanks.”

Probably.

I want the video rights to the moment when Mr. Track meets Mr. Ooze along that river’s bottom land.


33 posted on 04/25/2014 11:41:22 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The BLM is a raving band of morons if they think they can push Texas around like this.

As an odd coincidence, I watched the John Wayne movie “Red River” last night on TCM.


34 posted on 04/25/2014 11:42:30 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Jim Robinson
My only question is, what's BLM's Harry Reid's angle on this?
Harry Reid is the BLM with his hand picked sock puppet running it.

Start something up in Texas to take the pressure and closer looking off of what he and his family have been up to in Nevada?

Just doesn't make sense to start up in Texas, right now especially, except to use it as a distraction.
Ain't no way the BLM is going to win this and they know it.

35 posted on 04/25/2014 11:42:49 AM PDT by The Cajun (tea party!!!, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Jim Robinson
“Ours” they say, as if BLM is some autonomous being exclusive of the American people. This is how absurd things have become. They really need to be put out of their miserable existence.
36 posted on 04/25/2014 11:43:50 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: dforest

Is it possible land is being put up as collateral on our debt??? I am not
sure if this a possibility!!!


37 posted on 04/25/2014 11:44:01 AM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Jim Robinson
This should be interesting. I truly want to see the girly-man Obama try to square up with Rick Perry.


38 posted on 04/25/2014 11:44:59 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Jim Robinson

That doesn’t seem to be what the State of Texas thinks. So maybe the BLM had better double check their facts?


39 posted on 04/25/2014 11:45:44 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Jim Robinson

This case is different than Bundy, and the BLM has less standing.

Of course, they will escalte it. Expect more mercs this time.


40 posted on 04/25/2014 11:46:33 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Jim Robinson

IIRC, the Feds can only own such lands as are defined in the Constitution. The Feds are merely the stewards of other such lands as the public entrusts to them.

PS IIRC, that stewardship is revocable subject to management success/failure.


41 posted on 04/25/2014 11:46:43 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Kit cat

I read an article last week that said land was being put up for collateral. Can’t remember what article it was. There are so many right now.


42 posted on 04/25/2014 11:47:19 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Jim Robinson
Too late, Mr. BLM guy. This acreage was patented a long time ago. Severed from the sovereign. It's in private hands, now and forever. If you wished to purchase this acreage, however, I'm sure it could become available at the right price.

Then again...you're $17.2 trillion in debt. You are representing the world's largest aggregation of spendthrift deadbeats. In view thereof, it appears that you probably can't afford this acquisition.

Which brings us to another thought...perhaps you should delay any future acquisitions until you are able to sort out your issues on lands out west, which, in contrast to this Red River acreage, is actually land still in the public domain. As you have amply demonstrated, your agency is having great difficulty managing the lands you actually do own. It would be best, one would think, if you were to learn how to manage the stuff already in your portfolio before acquiring somebody else's acreage.
43 posted on 04/25/2014 11:47:41 AM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Jim Robinson
Whatever land the BLM does in fact own needs to be sold back to the states or the people unless BLM can prove it has a Constitutional and compelling the need for the land. The compelling need must be within Constitutionally delegated powers to the feds and must override a strong presumption in favor of state and private ownership of land.

Obama continues to test the will and resolve of the states and the American people. In Marxist fashion, he's much more aggressive against the citizens of his own country than he is any foreign aggressor. Among other things, he wants to implement the U.N Agenda 21 here. As far as I'm concerned, that's treasonous as it surrenders U.S. sovereignty to a foreign power. I hope he meets his match in Texas as well as Nevada.

44 posted on 04/25/2014 11:47:55 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: mikrofon

That was written by a communist..................


45 posted on 04/25/2014 11:49:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: Amendment10

Ping.


46 posted on 04/25/2014 11:51:17 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: mikrofon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Guthrie


47 posted on 04/25/2014 11:52:05 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: dhs12345

“Adverse occupancy” also applies to government land.

And of course, there was always the concept of “homesteading” and “proving up the land”. Much of the West was settled in just this way.

But territory once occupied by the nation that used to be known as “the United States of America” might no longer be subject to this old established tenet of English common law.


48 posted on 04/25/2014 11:53:29 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: dforest

The citizens OWN THIS LAND!!! The government survives on us!!! HOW
can they put OUR land up for collateral WE PAY FOR IT???


49 posted on 04/25/2014 11:53:32 AM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Jim Robinson

There are only two ways by which the US Government is able to obtain land. Article II section 2 treaty with another country and Article I section 8 with the approval of the state legislature.

This does not appear to qualify for either.


50 posted on 04/25/2014 11:56:29 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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