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7 Things Conservatives Should Take Away From Last Week’s Siege On Nevada
Western Journalism ^ | April 15, 2014 | MICHAEL OBERNDORF

Posted on 04/15/2014 12:59:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

The events in Nevada this week have made a number of things crystal clear:

1) Our government, at least at the upper management/executive service level, is incredibly corrupt.

2) Senator Harry Reid (D-NV), Senate Majority Misleader, is incredibly corrupt.

3) Obama’s Executive Branch, which allowed this situation to take place in the way that it did, is incredibly corrupt.

4) The judicial branch that has consistently allowed “environmentalists” to dictate public land policy is incredibly corrupt.

5) The “environmentalists” and their co-conspirators in Congress who foisted the so-called “Endangered Species Act” and numerous other extreme laws on us, and turned a blind eye to the above mentioned corruption, are incredibly corrupt.

6) The massive amount of “public land” controlled by the federal government in the West is anything but public.

7) If the United States of America is to survive as a single, sovereign nation, the states, and particularly the Western states, need to take back the land unconstitutionally ruled over by the federal government.

There is a movement among a handful of state legislators in the West to get the federal government to turn back the land they have taken over the years and “managed” with agencies like the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), the USDA-Forest Service, the Corps of Engineers, the Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS), and the Bureau of Reclamation (BOR) (none of which appear to be authorized by the Constitution.) We need to aid and abet this movement as if our lives depend upon it. But, let me make clear here, that we are not talking about the middle and lower management and field personnel. The vast majority of these folks are hard-working Americans who give the taxpayers their money’s worth and more on a daily basis. It’s the executive level, the Washington bureaucrats, their political...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Nevada; US: New Mexico; US: Oregon; US: Utah; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; blm; bundy; bundyranch; corruption; fascism; govtabuse; neofascists; nevada; obama; publiclands; reid

1 posted on 04/15/2014 12:59:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Loving this.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 1:01:35 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Jim Robinson

“The most complete data is from the Beaver Dam Mountains. Woodbury and Hardy reported a tortoise population density of 150 per square mile in 1948. BLM reduced cattle grazing a few years later and eliminated cattle in 1970. Coombs reported a tortoise density of 39 per square mile in 1974. In these 26 years cattle use was reduced 100 percent and tortoise numbers were reduced 74 percent.

“These tortoises were doing so poorly a veterinarian, Dr. Jarchow, was consulted. He reported all six specimens were suffering from osteoporosis caused by a protein deficiency in their diet. Dr. Jarchow examined five specimens from the same mountains that shared their range with cattle. He reported these specimens were all healthy and well nourished.

“The historical record proves conclusively that tortoise thrive when cattle are on the range with them and without cattle grazing they are always malnourished and unhealthy and their numbers plummet.

http://www.vinsuprynowicz.com/?p=80


3 posted on 04/15/2014 1:03:40 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I wish I had the time and courage to join the militias in Bundy who are against the evil democrat/obama government. Heck maybe I’ll find the time and courage.

I support mr Bundy. He is the hero, the patrick Henry of our time fighting the evil federal government for his property rights and freedom.

where are our conservative leaders coming out in support of mr Bundy and the militias? I haven't heard Rush say much on this. Beck criticized the militias. Hannity and Drudge DID talk about it and for that I applaud them. Palin, Coulter , Levin ,Savage et al have any of them said anything ?

4 posted on 04/15/2014 1:06:51 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: B4Ranch
Cows love tortoises and tortoises love cows. It's an
unnatural love but who are we to judge or interfere? ;^)
5 posted on 04/15/2014 1:07:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Jim Robinson

bttt


6 posted on 04/15/2014 1:08:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: TigersEye

The tortoise and the cow respectfully request that you do not judge the alternative lifestyle.


7 posted on 04/15/2014 1:13:32 PM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong! ..... ♂+♀=♥)
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To: Jim Robinson

Senator Cockroach from Blacklight, NV says, "It isn't over", per Drudge...

This is 'cuz the vermin and his demon seed have Chinese masters who want to put a bunch of useless windmills on the grazing land...
8 posted on 04/15/2014 1:13:56 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Jim Robinson

It is TIME to DownSize DC!

Close Entire Rogue/Unconstitutional Departments, including their SWAT Teams.

It is TIME!


9 posted on 04/15/2014 1:16:18 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Jim Robinson
But, let me make clear here, that we are not talking about the middle and lower management and field personnel. The vast majority of these folks are hard-working Americans who give the taxpayers their money’s worth and more on a daily basis.

Oh, you mean the guys who planted lynx hairs, released diseased wolves, lied about salmon genetics, falsely listed a kangaroo rat... those folks?

Bull hockey. The entire system is corrupt from top to bottom.

10 posted on 04/15/2014 1:16:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: envisio
Until I can walk a mile in their hooves and shells I will withhold judgment.

More seriously...

The BLM is killing hundreds of desert tortoises.

Desert tortoise faces threat from its own refuge August 25, 2013

Back at the conservation center, a large refrigerator labeled "carcass freezer" hummed in the desert sun as scientists examined the facility's 1,400 inhabitants to find those hearty enough to release into the wild. Officials expect to euthanize more than half the animals in the coming months in preparation for closure at the end of 2014.

More glaring proof that the FedMob is incapable of managing lands or wildlife.

11 posted on 04/15/2014 1:16:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Jim Robinson
The “environmentalists” and their co-conspirators in Congress

Private ownership of land leads to both means and motive to increase the productiveness of the land.Government ownership leads to wasteful and inefficient use of land.In general, as a matter of principle, the environmental movement is bent on stopping further increases in, indeed, on reducing, the productivity of labor in agriculture, and mining, and thereby, whether it is aware of the fact or not, on driving down real wage rates, and standard of living of the average worker, and raising land rents.

12 posted on 04/15/2014 1:17:06 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Jim Robinson
The states need to step up and take their land back.

The reason this cannot be done is that the federal entity has pledged this land as collateral to China in return for their purchase of our debt. This is how China has financed our profligacy.

As we issue more bonds and currency to pay for our military machine and national instant gratification, our dollars become worth less. China has been buying massive amounts of gold from us, and we've sold it to them to keep the price of gold down to make the dollar look good. But now China wants real assets for their ever-depreciating dollars, and they want more than just gold. This is why they're buying ports, farm land, mines and land for industrial development. That land has to be handed to them via the eminent domain process.

The American people will become angry as it sinks it that we've been sold into debt slavery by our own government to a potentially hostile foreign power. This is why the whole mess will end in violence with death on a grand scale. The government cannot afford to lose, lest the people "alter or abolish" this government. This is why it is arming for war against its own populace. They must set a precedent at Bunkerville that the federal entity always has the last word on the uses of violence.

13 posted on 04/15/2014 1:19:39 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Jim Robinson

8) The MSM is thoroughly corrupted and as a result they allow their brethren, like Harry Reid, et. al., to prosper under a system of corruption. The corrupt MSM puts their thumbs on the scales of our national elections on behalf of Democrats and they love anything an environmental wacko says.

Regrettably, most of the American system is now completely corrupt, and make no mistake, there will be a high price that we will all pay. We will soon be no better off than any two-bit third world country. It is fast coming.


14 posted on 04/15/2014 1:19:56 PM PDT by Obadiah (I like Krabby Patties.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks, Jim.


15 posted on 04/15/2014 1:21:14 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Jim Robinson

btt


16 posted on 04/15/2014 1:22:41 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Jim Robinson
3) Obama’s Executive Branch, which allowed this situation to take place in the way that it did, is incredibly corrupt.

This is a very important point. For it has occured to me that Barack Alinsky has re-read his Rules for Radicals and has used this "crisis" to divert attention away from the real crisis we were focused on last week. Namely the IRS scandal hearings and the illegalities of Holder, Lerner, Cummings, Obama et al.

17 posted on 04/15/2014 1:23:47 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: B4Ranch

And the Death Valley National Monument, set in place by Diane Feinstein in honor of Alan Cranston has blockaded millions of acres of Death Valley from past uses. They are ‘protecting’ the desert turtles.

A couple of months ago, they announced that they needed more funding or they would have to start EUTHANIZING the turtles because they couldn’t ‘take care’ of them anymore.

Seems to me the turtle took care of itself since the days of the dinosaurs.


18 posted on 04/15/2014 1:24:59 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Carry_Okie

Those same agency employees cut fences & damaged water stations on Wayne Hage’s ranch in Tonopah, Nevada also. He had photos of them doing so.


19 posted on 04/15/2014 1:26:54 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Jim Robinson

If government was better at land management, private property wouldn’t always have more wildlife and better hunting.

In every state in the nation, private property has better wildlife management.


20 posted on 04/15/2014 1:29:59 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Jim Robinson
How simple can it be? The cows fertilized the earth, creating better vegetation for the tortoises and other wildlife.

That's some really arid land out there, and the vegetation needs all the help it can get.

21 posted on 04/15/2014 1:31:03 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Publius
The reason [the states cannot take their land back is because]... the federal entity has pledged this land as collateral to China in return for their purchase of our debt.

Talk about a breach of national security!
What federal actions actually effected such pledges, and what enabling programs, policies or legislature can you recommend for study of this issue?

22 posted on 04/15/2014 1:33:23 PM PDT by frog in a pot (We are all "frogs in a pot" now. How and when will we real Americans jump out?)
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To: Jim Robinson

But why doesn’t anybody address the corruption?

Or is corruption the whole basis of the system?

If so, are there any points of the system that are vulnerable, so it may be completely and irreversibly broken up?

“You can’t beat somebody with nobody”- so where is the man with a plan to, first, dismantle the existing structure, and second, substitute a more practical and reliable structure?


23 posted on 04/15/2014 1:39:02 PM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: frog in a pot
This is not a matter of written law, it's a matter of gentlemen's agreements and handshakes over drinks at Davos and other places where the financial elites meet.

If you want a federal action, just take a look at what the federal entity is doing in the West, the Bundy case being one of the more egregious.

Concerning national security, when the whole thing blows, I would hope we'd see some serious treason trials, but the federal entity is holding a lot of firepower.

24 posted on 04/15/2014 1:40:39 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Sometimes I am a little slow on the uptake, but I see a pattern here. CORRUPTION in Biblical proportions :-)


25 posted on 04/15/2014 1:44:29 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Publius

it is my belief that this is why Ozero wants to kill the coal industry. china wants our coal


26 posted on 04/15/2014 1:46:22 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: alloysteel

all we need is a leader with strength and vision and integrity and


27 posted on 04/15/2014 1:53:26 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: TigersEye

I’ve done a fair amount of research on this today.

I don’t think it has anything to do with a Harry/Rory Reid Chinese Solar project. Maybe, a planned wind project, but not a solar project. The maps from the BLM simple don’t show a solar project for that area. There is however a wind project that may be involved.

BLM has a long effort to save and re-locate the desert tortoise.

But why did they need to round-up cattle ?

Why did they need to send in armed Rangers to round-up cattle ?

Why now and why there ?

The BLM’s “Desert Tortoise Conservation Center” talks about “receiving wild tortoises in harms way from development”.

http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo.html

On that same page is a link to “Current District Federal Register Notices”

Notice of Temporary Closure on Public Lands in the Gold Butte, Mormon Mesa, and Bunkerville Flats Areas in the Northeastern Portion of Clark County, NV

This “notice” was also “Notice of Intent to Impound Unauthorized Livestock” March 19 2014. This is the action that has since been cancelled.

My questions are;

Why does the BLM need to round-up “unauthorized” grazing livestock in order to save/relocate the desert tortoise?

Would “Authorized” grazing livestock been left to graze ?

Do “unauthorized” grazing livestock pose a greater threat than “authorized” grazing livestock?

What does unauthorized mean ?

Are they unauthorized because they haven’t paid their fees ?

If the Impounding of unauthorized grazing livestock had nothing to do with the Desert Tortoise, then why was this tortoise issue brought to our attention in the first place?

I think the BLM’s “Desert Tortoise Conservation Center”, which they themselves state on their website “is scheduled to close in December 2014 due to funding issues”, saw an opportunity to seize the private property of Mr. Bundy to either hold for ransom or later sell in order to fund their continuing operations.

I would be surprised if the cost to send armed Rangers on this misguided action came from their budget.


28 posted on 04/15/2014 1:57:56 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I totally agre with everything that guy says.


29 posted on 04/15/2014 1:59:04 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ridesthemiles
The last line of “Checks and Balances” defense for “We, the People” was the Republican Leadership in the US House of Representatives until late 2014. When Reid and Obama shut down part of the US Federal Government last Autumn, that same Republican Leadership in the US House caved in to “Stonewall” Reid, and “No Negotiation” Obama, leaving “We, the People” with no Federal protection from the well documented, arrogant tyranny of the Obama Administration, and the Godless Democrat Party. Now “We, the People” are given a rare gifted opportunity to change our failed Republican Leadership in the US House and Senate, as we stand witness to the tyrannical brute force of the most powerful Nation that the World has ever known being leveled against an aged and last Rancher in Clark County, Nevada. Our patience with the cowardly Republican Members in the US House of Representatives is nearly gone, as we wait with dimming hope for them to quickly replace Boehner, McCarthy, Cantor, Issa, Rogers, King of NY, and Ryan with fire-in-the-belly Leaders such as Trey Gowdy, Wilson of SC, and Gomert of TEXAS. ____________________ The BFLM is currently a more accurate abbreviation of the BLM. The BFLM is the abbreviation for the Bureau of FEUDAL Land Management. Feudalism is what Europe was based on, and if it was good enough for Europe, then it is good enough for America! Currently, the purpose of the BFLM is to provide land, free of charge, to the Commune-organized Obamanation to do with as the ruling Senate and Administration Feudal Lord Democrats see fit. Predictions are that the cave-in Doormat Republican Leaders will, as usual, just huff and puff on TV, as required by the 2 year Congressional “No Fight Deal” that Ryan, Pelosi, Reid and Obama have forced them to sign. Obama now knows in his smug arrogance that his “Obamanation Transformation of the United States of America” will continue unchallenged as long as Boehner and McConnell are kept in power as leaders in Congress. “All ye lowly, collateral-damaged, Feudal Serfs bow to thine arrogant Feudal Democrat Lords!” FORWARD!
30 posted on 04/15/2014 2:06:14 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Night Hides Not
How simple can it be? The cows fertilized the earth, creating better vegetation for the tortoises and other wildlife.

It's simpler than that, even. The tortoises love cow poop. The digestive system of cattle is not terribly efficient, so a lot of the nutrients from the grass is left behind, and the tortoises have been thriving on cow patties.

This zero-sum business of fewer cattle = more tortoises is, well, bullcrap.

But just try to tell that to a know-nothing enviroweenie.

31 posted on 04/15/2014 2:16:39 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: TigersEye
Cows love tortoises and tortoises love cows.

Love's got nothing to do with it. The cattle droppings either fertilize the plants the tortoises feed upon, or the tortoises eat he manure as a dietary supplement.

32 posted on 04/15/2014 2:49:21 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: TigersEye

>>Cows love tortoises and tortoises love cows. It’s an
unnatural love but who are we to judge or interfere? ;^)<<

My mother taught me to judge when I was just a lil fella and I got into trouble when I didn’t judge correctly. If my cows start doing anything unnatural with turtles or tortoises they are going to the auction house and they know it.


33 posted on 04/15/2014 3:15:39 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: ridesthemiles

34 posted on 04/15/2014 3:18:57 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Publius
This is not a matter of written law, it's a matter of gentlemen's agreements and handshakes over drinks...

Well, good. If we have the right crew in D.C. that should make any attempted foreclosure somewhat problematic.

35 posted on 04/15/2014 3:48:52 PM PDT by frog in a pot (We are all "frogs in a pot" now. How and when will we real Americans jump out?)
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To: B4Ranch

Makes sense. The tortoises evolved in a land where buffalo grazed periodically.


36 posted on 04/15/2014 4:15:31 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: JimRed

You’re kidding me!?! That can’t possibly be!!!


37 posted on 04/15/2014 4:59:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: B4Ranch

LOL


38 posted on 04/15/2014 4:59:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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