Skip to comments.Moscow warns Kiev against using military, mercenaries in southeastern Ukraine
Posted on 04/09/2014 4:16:04 PM PDT by tcrlaf
The Russian Foreign Ministry has voiced concerns over the buildup of Ukrainian forces and US mercenaries in the southeastern part of the country, calling on Kiev to immediately cease military preparations which could lead to a civil war.
As parts of Ukraine push for greater autonomy with Donetsk and Kharkov declaring independence on Monday the self-imposed government in Kiev is reportedly dispatching additional forces in turbulent regions to avoid potential disobedience by local law enforcements.
We are particularly concerned that the operation involves some 150 American mercenaries from a private company Greystone Ltd., dressed in the uniform of the [Ukrainian] special task police unit Sokol, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement. Organizers and participants of such incitement are assuming a huge responsibility for threatening upon the rights, freedoms and lives of Ukrainian citizens as well as the stability of Ukraine.
Ukraine's acting interior minister, Arsen Avakov, confirmed that additional police special forces units have arrived in southern and eastern parts of Ukraine from other regions.
These special forces are ready to solve operational problems without the regard to local peculiarities, Ukraine's Interior Ministry quoted Avakov as saying.
(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...
This is big news, folks.
It's too bad we no longer have a "News Media" in the US. Can you just IMAGINE how this would be reported under George Bush?
They can name the next one Whitefire.
Not sure what color they can use for the final elemental, air.
Oh, common, it’s just RT - cut them some slack: they are really trying. The sad part is how many feebleminded people believe these fairy tales from Mordor...
“This is big news, folks.”
If true it means that unless Russian regulars really are salted away in these buildings, the mercenaries will sweep out the ad hoc defenders with ease. I expect things to get very bloody, as one faction seems to revel in the prospect, and it only takes one.
1) Moscow probably is lying.
2) Ukraine has the right to hire as many mercenaries it wants to fight its battles on its soil against Russian backed thugs.
“Ukraine has the right to hire as many mercenaries it wants to fight its battles on its soil against Russian backed thugs.”
Because their own troops can’t be counted on in a fight.
That says a lot about current conditions in Ukraine, doesn’t it?
If Kerry’s involved, they could call it HotAir.
“Because their own troops cant be counted on in a fight.
That says a lot about current conditions in Ukraine, doesnt it?”
For someone who just got through saying you didn’t insult Ukrainians, you sure do work hard at finding excuses to demean and insult Ukrainians. Case in point here, you fail to see the many reasons why the Ukraine and other nations would want a security firm to serve as consultants for their own armed forces and police forces?
“If true it means that unless Russian regulars really are salted away in these buildings, the mercenaries will sweep out the ad hoc defenders with ease. I expect things to get very bloody, as one faction seems to revel in the prospect, and it only takes one.”
Reminds me of a book I read awhile back, “”Devils Guard”, about a battalion of former Nazi SS troops who fought for the Legion in Indo-China. True story, btw, in case you have wondered whatever happened to all those Nazi SS veterans, many died in Indo-China.....
LA Times, March 2,1994, At Russian Urging, Serbs Agree to Let Airport Open : Bosnia: Relief flights will be allowed into Tuzla. Rebel leader makes announcement during Moscow visit.
At Russia's urging, Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic capitulated in a major standoff with the West by agreeing Tuesday to allow U.N. forces to reopen an airport in northern Bosnia-Herzegovina for humanitarian relief flights.
The Bosnian Serb leader flew to Moscow on Monday, only hours after North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces shot down four planes that Karadzic loyalists had used to fly combat missions in violation of a U.N. "no-fly" order imposed over Bosnia.
NATO's first-ever use of force may have changed the course of the Bosnian conflict by showing combatants there that the West is committed to resolving the war that has racked the former Yugoslav republic for 23 months.
Instead of getting an endorsement of the hard-line control that Serbian rebels have maintained over the airport, Karadzic emerged from talks with Russian Foreign Minister Andrei V. Kozyrev to announce that a U.N.-operated humanitarian airlift to the mostly Muslim Tuzla region will begin soon.
“Because their own troops cant be counted on in a fight.”
After what might turn out to be a decade or more of KGB style infiltration, no, maybe not.
“That says a lot about current conditions in Ukraine, doesnt it?”
No, it says a lot about the Russians are doing to Ukraine.
NATO Expands Force in Kosovo; Russians Hold Airport
The NY Times, June 14, 1999, PRISTINA, Yugoslavia -- Russian soldiers occupying Pristina's airport blocked the entry of British troops Sunday in an embarrassing impasse for NATO's nascent peacekeeping effort in Kosovo.
The Russians number only about 200, under the command of Col. Gen. Victor Zavarzin, who was promoted to that rank only Saturday. They had hastily painted a "K" on their armored vehicles over the first letter of the acronym for the U.N. Bosnian peacekeeping mission, SFOR, to match the mission here.
Asked why he didn't just push through with his superior force, Capt. Martin Gorwin replied: "I'm not going to bully my way through. I'm not going to escalate the situation."
The Russian presence, represented by an armored personnel carrier parked sideways across the road, created a strange situation. Yugoslav soldiers were inside the airport perimeter and were helping to man the roadblock, and loitering around the nearby village, studiously ignoring the British troops.
I was aware of the fact, but not of the book. Thanks for that tip. I’ll read it.
You think there's a "News Media" in Russia?
You think there's a "News Media" in Russia?
I don’t think there’s any “maybe” about it. The Russians clearly intend to imply that the US government itself has put these forces into Ukraine; even a strong US president, even Reagan himself, would not have done so.
The young LT, James Blount, that ignored Clark’s order to fire on the Russians is now an English pop star.
This song was a hit in the US, too.
“a strong US president, even Reagan himself, would not have done so.”
Reagan wouldn’t have been dumb enough to tell the Ukrainians that if they gave up all their weapons, that NATO would protect them, like Clinton did.
Ukraine should remove its military from its own territory at once! Why is it threatening Russia in the first place? And mercenaries, to boot.
“Reagan wouldnt have been dumb enough to tell the Ukrainians that if they gave up all their weapons, that NATO would protect them, like Clinton did.”
With that i agree 100%.
You are correct.
Wesley Clark ordered that Blunt’s unit forcibly take the airport from the Russian contingent. However, after Blunt queried the order, Mike Jackson, Blunt’s superior officer, and Blunt himself refused to comply fearing greater consequences, with Jackson stating that they were “not going to start the Third World War” for Clark.
Yes. They trusted Soviet Russia for years while Putin's regime infiltrated the entire country, inciting disobedience with false promises.
I can’t seem to find Yugoslavia on a map nowadays, but I think the Russians remember it.
Moscow will hopefully get the Dresden treatment one day.
Why do you spread this crap? It doesn’t take a genius to understand RT is a Russian mouth piece. You can scratch Kharkiv off your list. The provocateurs are in jail.
America needs you Ronald W. Reagan...
Certainly Putin’s playmates read RT religiously. If you’ll notice, the wording, catch phrases and insults of their posts closely parallel the writing that appear on RT’s website. Who needs to read anything else?
“It doesnt take a genius to understand RT is a Russian mouth piece.”
No, it doesn’t.
But, in the lack of real reporting from any US sources, (no one on the actual reporting from the ground), who are just regurgitating press releases, or praising the glory of THE WON, and his prince Kerry (Of Vietnam, doncha know!), Russian media is still the best English Language source for info about what is going on.
It’s up to us to take all the info available, and try to devine a truth from it. It’s what FR is really good at.
At this point the Russian media is broadcasting BS 24/7. Unless you accept it as lies you won’t get near the truth. Spreading it, supports it and gives it credence for others that don’t look deeper.
For actual posts by people living in Ukraine:
Yes, Russia Today, as it used to be termed ("RT" does sound so much more sanitized) is about as reliable as, say, Pravda is...
Pravda is owned by an American :-)
He’s a real regular pro-Putin poster.
“Pravda is owned by an American :-)”
The Washington Post is an American newspaper published by an American Communist, so what’s your point?
RT has broken news in the past - like about when a U.S. aircraft carrier was heading to be off the coast of Syria last year - a report that no one would touch, but was followed up by Reason.com
Sure, some stuff from RT might be best taken with a grain of salt. But the same can also be said about MSNBC, CNN and other state media in the U.S.
In the end, verify - no matter who it is.
And with that in mind, I don't treat RT any differently than I do the New York Slimes, Washington Compost, MSDNC, See BS, etc.
That doesn’t mean that the United States has to accept the offer.
Not saying it is, as I don’t know, but we have no business getting involved in this anymore than we would giving aid, help, arms or mercenaries to the Syrian rebels - a pit that we almost fell into concerning Syria.
Svoboda and Right Sector are in Ukraine. Svoboda is ultranationalist, described as soft Neo Nazi’s; Svoboda has 1/4 of the interim gov’t seats in Ukraine. Dumb move on Uraine’s part.
And that bone-ead Mccain (who had some love for KLA, then pictured with notorious Syrian rebels and then lately Svoboda leaders) wants to arm Ukrainians!
Who’s hands could/those weapons fall into?
Why should the U.S. help Ukraine if doing so would indirectly or directly help Nazi Svoboda, Right Sector? Svoboda was given 1/4 of the interim gov’t seats.
Might as well arm the Syrian rebels! That would also be a dumb move. And Americans lasy year saw through that and around 80% said NO.
Tu Quo Que argument.
RT was the first one to break the story last year about a U.S. aircraft carrier headed to being off the coast of Syria.
Reason.com (a truly excellent source for info) followed up RT in reporting this. They both reported on this when others wouldn’t touch the story.
In time others followed.
Not saying that Rt is fool proof. Hardly. They, like the New York Slimes, Washington Compost, MSDNC, See BS and others must have their stories verified.
In the end, everything (regardless of the source) must be verified - be its state-run media in the U.S. or Russia, as many - unfortunately - are pro-Svoboda, pro-Putin, pro-Pravy Sektor, pro-Nazi, etc
“Why should the U.S. help Ukraine if doing so would indirectly or directly help Nazi Svoboda, Right Sector? Svoboda was given 1/4 of the interim govt seats.”
Svoboda secured more representation in the interim goverment because the oppositon party absented themselves after their role in the criminal corruption of their maladministration and their subversion on behalf of the Russian KGB-FSB was revealed. Normally, Svoboda has very little influence in the government, because they have had a representation in the parliament of 7.5% or less of the seats and not much representation in the government. The present overrepresentaotin will likely recede again closer to its past levels when the May elections are completed and later elections normalize the government.
As for the accusations coming from Russia’s propagandists and apologists about the presence and influence of Fascists in the state and its government, consider the question of which states are free of the same accusation. See the following lists of Fascist political organizations and take note of which states currently have active fascist political organizations. Then give us a list of those states which you then continue to assert also do not deserve to enjoy the right of mutual self-defense of their territorial integrity under international law, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and the United Nations Charter.
Also, please explain to us how Ukraine is any less deserving of mutual defense when Russia has similar or worse problems with Fascist, Bolshevist, and other totalitarian organizatons wielding political influence in Russia and among Russian expatriots.
“Might as well arm the Syrian rebels! That would also be a dumb move. And Americans lasy year saw through that and around 80% said NO.”
It is going to require some very extraordinary explanations to remotely attempt to equate or compare the Ukrainian people and their current interim government to the Muslim Brotherhood and the Jihadist movement. You do realize the vast majority of the Ukrainian people and government disapprove of Svoboda and the former Russian subverted government of Yanukovych and his appointed ministers?
You’re arguing with one of the troops from the FReeper Division of the Red Army. In their delusions Ukraine is the Third Reich incarnate and they’re breathless waiting for the day when the New Soviet Man liberates Ukraine and smashes the Fascists.
Glossary of Terms for this post:
Ukraine: A country in Eastern Europe that is the last refuge of the Fascist regime of Adolf Hitler.
Fascists: People who have a yellow and blue flag and who refuse to acknowledege the superiority of the New Soviet Man.
Delusions: Things you see on RT, Pravda, and other Russian news sources.
Please, tell us why we should get involved? To stop Putin for Obama’s sake? Nope.
We could have stopped Assad at one time, and Obama blew it. He waited too long. Obama waited too long, once again.
We are not the world's policeman, we don't have any obligation to help Ukraine as they are not a member of NATO.
We are $17 trillion dollars in debt. We are broke. Let Europe handle this. Most Americans could care less about Ukraine.
Let the Ukrainians sort this out themselves or let Europe handle it.
In other words, you know you cannot answer the question, so you are going to change the subject and hide out in the tall grass to avoid the fact there is a obligation for mutual defense, and many of tha nations around the world who are capapble of mutual defense have some form of Fascist organization involved in their politics, including Russia. So, you really have no valid arguments to support your suggestion the victims of Russia’s aggressions must be didivded in their response to those Russian aggressions.
No it isn't,
If for example I said, "You think there's a 'News Media' in Ethopia?" which would be totally besides the point, that would be a Tu Quo Que arguement.
But in this case, the news media reporting is RT...Russian. The poster questioning the US media is at the same time taking the Russian media at their word.
Hence my appropriate question.
Your complete lack of concern about the Russian neo-NAZIs Russia’s FSB is paying to serve as spies and provacateurs to incite riots, insurrection, and destabilization of the Ukrainian governments tends to invalidate your comments fostering fear, uncetainty, and doubt among the would be defenders of the Ukraine’s territorial integrity.
As Jim Robinson and I talked about on another thread: it is too late now with Ukraine. We need to stay out of this.
Take your interventionist crap elsewhere.
Most Americans are tired of being world cop, don't want to get involved, and we are $17 trillion in debt.
They are not a part of NATO, either.
Thus with all said, you have no argument.
And you take the U.S. MSM at their word?
As Rush Limbaugh says: we have a state-run MS media in the U.S.
Ad Homs (personal attacks) are now your last resort.
The rule here is this. Follow it. NOW:
Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, No racism or violence in posts.
I advocate staying out of this and it boils down to Odumbo waiting TOO long to get involved in any way shape or form in Ukraine. Jim Robinson and I agreed with this on another thread> get with the program, the correct one at that.
Helping in any way now would have been like helping the Syrian “rebels” when Obama wanted to. It would have meant a very good chance at helping terrorists. NO WAY.
And NO WAY now helping Ukraine as long as Svoboda and Right Sector haven't been run out of the country by the Ukrainian govt.
Helping the Syrian “rebels” when Obama wanted too would equal helping the Ukrainians now. Arms might end up in the hands of Svoboda or Right sector or some other scum.
But you, you seem to want interventionism of some sort at all costs.
This is Europe's problem. Leave it alone.
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