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Eli Lake Exclusive: U.S. Won’t Share Invasion Intel With Ukraine
The Daily Beast ^ | Monday, April 8, 2014 | Eli Lake

Posted on 04/08/2014 5:19:38 PM PDT by kristinn

American spies have spotted all the signs of an all-out Russian invasion of Ukraine. Why won’t they tell the Ukrainians about the forces on their border?

U.S. intelligence agencies now have detailed information that Russia has amassed the kind of forces needed for a full-scale invasion of Ukraine. But the Obama administration hasn’t shared with Ukraine the imagery, intercepts, and analysis that pinpont (sic) the location of the Russian troops ready to seize more Ukrainian land, The Daily Beast has learned.

President Obama has repeatedly and publicly expressed solidarity with the Ukrainian people—and warned Russian leader Vladimir Putin that there will be consequences if he takes over any more Ukrainian territory. Yet Obama’s administration has so far been reluctant to hand over the kind of intelligence the Ukrainians could use to defend themselves. U.S. officials and members of Congress briefed on the crisis in Ukraine tell The Daily Beast that senior U.S. military officers have been instructed to refrain from briefing their Ukrainian counterparts in detail about what the United States knows about the Russians troops amassing on the border.

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And while any decision about an invasion is Putin’s alone, the signs are mounting that an invasion is near. Congressional staffers briefed on the matter say U.S. intelligence agencies have detected the supply lines needed for an invasion. Battlefield hospitals and mobile medical units have accompanied the infantrymen, tank columns and artillery units amassing at the border as well. When Russia announced military exercises near Ukraine in February, the U.S. intelligence community did not see such supply lines or medical units.

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The current estimate is that Russia has amassed 80,000 troops on Ukraine’s border. Vice Admiral Frank Pandolfe, the director for strategic plans and policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the House Armed Services Committee on Tuesday that the Russian forces include fixed and rotor wing aircraft, tanks, artillery, light infantry and special operations forces. Pandolfe said the Russian military has the ability to deploy these different units in a “synchronized manner.”


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; europeanunion; nato; obama; obamaukraine; putin; russia; ukraine; ukrainecrisis; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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1 posted on 04/08/2014 5:19:38 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn
We won't share intel? You damn well know why we won't:



2 posted on 04/08/2014 5:26:58 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: kristinn
The reason it's not being shared with Ukraine is very simple.

Whatever is shared with Ukraine will very soon be in the hands of the Russians and we don't want to divulge our full capabilities.

3 posted on 04/08/2014 5:30:41 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: kristinn

Perhaps we are all just finding out what Obama meant when he wanted his message relayed to Putin that he “could be more flexible after the election.”


4 posted on 04/08/2014 5:31:47 PM PDT by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: kristinn

Sounding like it’s about to get real. Assuming it’s true, I couldn’t imagine the Russians deploying military field hospitals for no good reason.


5 posted on 04/08/2014 5:33:32 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Mariner

Russia’s spies would find out anyway. Its not like its a state secret. Do we want to help them or not? If its too risky, we have no business giving Ukraine false hopes we’ll come to their rescue because its already obvious we won’t.


6 posted on 04/08/2014 5:36:56 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mariner

“Whatever is shared with Ukraine will very soon be in the hands of the Russians and we don’t want to divulge our full capabilities. “

They can buy up-to-the-minute satellite photos from the French.


7 posted on 04/08/2014 5:40:00 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: kristinn

Ukraine invasion ping.


8 posted on 04/08/2014 5:41:43 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Gen.Blather

Yup. And the Russians see the same things we do.

Our excuse is pathetic because we’re really of two minds about Ukraine, not that the GRU won’t inform the Kremlin about what we know anyway.

By withholding information, we’re just communicating to the Russians we’re not going to do a damned thing to stop them. But they know that already.


9 posted on 04/08/2014 5:44:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: kristinn

flexibility == duplicity

it’s a tax / it’s not a tax

says what people want to hear to prevent revolt/removal, but still does the opposite and nobody stops him

effing antichrist muslim bastard.


10 posted on 04/08/2014 5:44:45 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: kristinn

Zero is taking notes on how Putin goes about all this.

Watch out, Canada!


11 posted on 04/08/2014 5:46:08 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: kristinn
Good evening guy, I hope you are doing well.

May history show that WWIII started in the Crimea because 0bama wasn't "flexible" enough according to Putin.

0bama is not a weak leader, he is not a leader, period.

5.56mm

12 posted on 04/08/2014 5:49:03 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: goldstategop
"we have no business giving Ukraine false hopes we’ll come to their rescue because its already obvious we won’t."

Nor should we. Not only do we have no essential interests there, they won't even fight themselves.

Why spill our blood and treasure for a country that won't expend their own?

That would be downright silly.

13 posted on 04/08/2014 5:51:39 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: kimoajax
Perhaps we are all just finding out what Obama meant when he wanted his message relayed to Putin that he “could be more flexible after the election.”

The real message is that the Obama administration is making the world safe for Putin's return to a renewed Russian Soviet Union. My fear is that Obama may want to have the USA join that union as the "US Socialist Republic" (USSR).

14 posted on 04/08/2014 6:28:26 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama is the corruption of America - economic, criminal, judicial, political, sexual, and more)
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To: Mariner
Whatever is shared with Ukraine will very soon be in the hands of the Russians and we don't want to divulge our full capabilities.

As if, in a moment of flexibility, the Obama regime hasn't already shared that with Russia...

15 posted on 04/08/2014 6:29:11 PM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: goldstategop

Yeah we did that to the Iraqi’s once before. We all know how that turned out.


16 posted on 04/08/2014 7:04:21 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: All
Remarks on Military Activities of the Russian Federation on the Border With Ukraine

As delivered by Ambassador Daniel B. Baer to the Joint Meeting of the Forum for Security Cooperation and the Permanent Council, Vienna

April 7, 2014

Mr. Chairperson:

On March 28th, we asked Russia for details regarding its ongoing military activities along its border with Ukraine. Specifically, we would like to know:

1) What is the purpose and anticipated duration of these activities?

2) What is the composition and strength of the Russian military forces involved in these activities?

3) To which units and formations do these deployed forces belong?

Based on the number, types of units, and deployed locations of the Russian forces in the southern and western military districts, which border eastern and northern Ukraine, this deployed force has a character that appears designed to intimidate and/or conduct short-notice, sustained, offensive military operations into Ukraine. More broadly, Russia's occupation of the Crimean region undermines the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine. We urge Russia to reduce its troops to pre-crisis numbers and positions.

The buildup in Russia's Rostov and Belgorod regions opposite the Ukrainian cities of Donetsk and Kharkiv, as well as the deployment of forces near Klimovo, barely 20 kilometers from the border with Ukraine, is substantial. The scope of the forces includes not only ground forces, but also forward-deployed air power, providing quick-strike capability and air support to potential ground operations.

Colleagues, maintaining a large concentration of troops in the field at a time when conscripts are normally scheduled to leave service further suggests that this is not an exercise. NATO military authorities have noted that the Russia force is “sized and outfitted and provisioned with everything that it needs to have an incursion into Ukraine.” We have consistently urged the Russian Federation to take steps to de-escalate. The number of Russian troops massed in this area close to the border with Ukraine is clearly aimed at threatening and intimidating, and is therefore an ongoing escalation.

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17 posted on 04/08/2014 7:42:00 PM PDT by kristinn (Welcome to the Soviet States of Obama)
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To: kristinn
From that same document:

"There are reports on social media this morning about how “pro-Russian residents” of Kharkiv stormed the Opera, thinking that it was the town hall, and demanded that the mayor come out. It's very surprising that these so-called “residents” of Kharkiv would think that the Opera was the town hall."

18 posted on 04/08/2014 7:50:45 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: kristinn

Pssst. Wait until after the election. Then I can do something.


19 posted on 04/08/2014 8:02:23 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: kristinn

so what? we shouldn’t share intelligence with anyone except long term allies and Ukraine doesn’t fall into that category.


20 posted on 04/08/2014 8:05:17 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: kristinn

He’s not doing anything less for Ukraine than he’d do for America were America similarly threatened.


21 posted on 04/08/2014 9:03:43 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: kristinn

General H. Norman Schwarzkopf ... Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics

The Russian buildup speaks for itself


22 posted on 04/08/2014 9:39:51 PM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: kristinn

It’ll detract from his own failings so he’s all for it.


23 posted on 04/09/2014 4:11:08 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: kristinn
Of note:

Ukraine was aligned with Moscow until a month ago and it is believed Ukraine's security services are still penetrated by the Russians, the official said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/09/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/

24 posted on 04/09/2014 5:28:23 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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