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Report: 57% of Cigarettes Sold in New York Are Smuggled
Time ^ | 03-19-2014 | Denver Nicks

Posted on 03/21/2014 7:00:51 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016

A majority of the cigarettes for sale in New York are illegally smuggled into the state, according to a report out Wednesday from the conservative research group the Tax Foundation.

According to the report, 56.9% of the cigarettes sold in New York—the highest importer of smuggled cigarettes—originated from out of state. Since 2006, cigarette smuggling in the state has risen sharply, by 59%, in tandem with a massive hike in cigarette taxes of 190%. New York state now has the highest cigarette taxes in the country, at $4.35 a pack. Residents of NYC must also pay an extra $1.50 per pack.

The state with the highest rate of outbound cigarette smuggling is relatively low tax New Hampshire, which is only a short drive away from New York.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: blackmarket; cigarettes; fnyc; nannystate; newhampshire; newyork; ny; nyc; smoking; smuggling; tobacco
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Lowering cigarette taxes seems to be increasing sales for New Hampshire.
1 posted on 03/21/2014 7:00:51 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

No on could have predicted this!


2 posted on 03/21/2014 7:02:13 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: PaulCruz2016
The government is not trying to stop illegal acts performed by criminals.
The government is trying to control everyday acts performed by innocent citizens.
3 posted on 03/21/2014 7:02:40 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: PaulCruz2016
57% of Cigarettes Sold in New York Are Smuggled

As John McCain once said: "Make it 100(%)!"

4 posted on 03/21/2014 7:04:11 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

This was predictable by anyone with brain. Didn’t prohibition teach us anything?


5 posted on 03/21/2014 7:04:23 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: PaulCruz2016

They could generate more revenue from a lower tax rate, but that would be against their religion.


6 posted on 03/21/2014 7:05:17 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: PaulCruz2016

Most smuggled product in the country.


7 posted on 03/21/2014 7:08:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: PaulCruz2016

So, how much does a pack of smuggled cigarettes compare to the current price of legal cigarettes?


8 posted on 03/21/2014 7:08:57 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

Yep. However this is worse than Prohibition, I believe in the cigarette smuggling racket, Hezbollah and Hamas are big players. Instead of enriching your local hoodlum, our current stupidity is shoveling cash into the coffers of Islamic terrorists. Just great.


9 posted on 03/21/2014 7:13:26 PM PDT by gusty
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To: doc1019
So, how much does a pack of smuggled cigarettes compare to the current price of legal cigarettes?

Not sure, but the price of a carton of cigarettes in KY, WV or NH has got to be significantly lower than a carton in New York City.

10 posted on 03/21/2014 7:15:13 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

Next years headline....

57 % of millionaires leave NYC....


11 posted on 03/21/2014 7:15:47 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: PaulCruz2016

What’s a pack of Luckies go for in NYC now? I am guessing about $14 a pack...


12 posted on 03/21/2014 7:18:49 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: PaulCruz2016

SOLUTION: Nationalize cigarette sales.


13 posted on 03/21/2014 7:20:19 PM PDT by Mark (Obama Care is now DEMOCRAT CARE)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I drive to PA for cigarettes and ammo. cigarettes are half the price of NY ammo has no background check/listing of suitable weapons and it’s 40 minutes away.

Sure, Princess Andy, I may live in NY, I shop in PA and Delaware. I pay almost zero in NY sales taxes...and there are more NY plates in PA and Delaware shopping malls than locals.


14 posted on 03/21/2014 7:22:10 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: PaulCruz2016

My wife and I are both smokers and here in OH, it cost about $60 for a carton.

Several years ago we bought a machine that single roles cigarettes. We buy loose cigarette tobacco from a local tobacco shop along with tubes (with filters). The tobacco cost about $11 and the tubes about $2 a box of 20. So, with a little time spent on the rolling machine (about 20 min. per carton) and less than $20, we get about three cartons.

And the tobacco is without preservatives and other government introduced junk.

I’m sure the Feds are hot on the trail of this and our cheap pleasure is doomed in the near future.


15 posted on 03/21/2014 7:24:12 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

The sell the smuggled cigs for the state mandated minimum in stores all over NY. Smuggled is cheaper than buying wholesale in NY.


16 posted on 03/21/2014 7:25:03 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

ping


17 posted on 03/21/2014 7:30:32 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Totally proves that “legalizing” marijuana will eradicate all criminal activity that comes with marijuana. Just look at how taxing tobacco has solved all criminal activity stemming from it.


18 posted on 03/21/2014 7:37:20 PM PDT by brent13a
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To: PaulCruz2016

A pack of cigarettes in NYC is close to $12 per pack and more for loosies ($2.00 per stick)

Outside DeBlasio land a pack is $10.40

You can buy a carton of name brand for $48 in Delaware and $56 in PA.

The margin for cigs is 6% at state minimum. so at 10 per pack they buy them from the wholesalers at $9.35 per. Buy them out of state for half that and the state has hornswaggled the Indians into towing the line and their prices are only a $1.00 less per pack on the reservations.


19 posted on 03/21/2014 7:38:13 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: PaulCruz2016
How unexpected? Real people go out of their way to dodge onerous taxes? It doesn't surprise me, but clueless liberals are stunned. Even after the truth comes out, they still remain clueless. The scofflaws aren't cooperating and they are disobeying their law and avoiding paying the tax! Oh, the horror...the horror.
20 posted on 03/21/2014 7:45:58 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: doc1019

Then you can buy at the local Indian reservation.


21 posted on 03/21/2014 7:49:18 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: doc1019
In New York City, the difference is about $5.85 per pack, or nearly $60 per carton at retail. In other words, you can save nearly $6.00 per pack buying smuggled smokes in NYC.

Liberal busybodies can be so damn dumb.
22 posted on 03/21/2014 7:49:55 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Caipirabob

Not as cheap as I can roll them myself.


23 posted on 03/21/2014 7:50:30 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

Sorry, I meant the supplies. Cheers!


24 posted on 03/21/2014 7:51:34 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Milton Miteybad

AMEN! Now they have to put out the money to try and stop all the smuggling.


25 posted on 03/21/2014 7:52:23 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

Around here, legal smokes are about $80/carton while the going rate on the black market is $20-25.


26 posted on 03/21/2014 7:53:32 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Caipirabob

Got’cha


27 posted on 03/21/2014 7:54:16 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: PaulCruz2016; SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; Alamo-Girl; ...

Nanny State PING!

28 posted on 03/21/2014 7:59:33 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: PaulCruz2016

DUH.

A federal tax is needed to stop interstate arbitrage.


29 posted on 03/21/2014 8:05:20 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: PaulCruz2016
In the 1970's when my sales territory was all the states East of the Mississippi I would visit North Carolina before going to NY and NJ and fill a suitcase with smokes and pull in an extra $200 per trip.

Probably pull in a grand or more at today's prices.

30 posted on 03/21/2014 8:06:59 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: Drango

“DUH.

A federal tax is needed to stop interstate arbitrage.”

Ah yes, spoken like a good servant to the supreme government.


31 posted on 03/21/2014 8:09:45 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Ah yes, spoken like a true addict.


32 posted on 03/21/2014 8:11:11 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

F NYC


33 posted on 03/21/2014 8:11:26 PM PDT by NoLibZone (The bad news: Hillary Clinton will be the next President. The Good news: Our principles are intact.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

so what is the penalty for smuggling or selling untaxed ny cigarettes in ny?


34 posted on 03/21/2014 8:13:21 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: PaulCruz2016


35 posted on 03/21/2014 8:14:45 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Ouderkirk
A pack of cigarettes in NYC is close to $12 per pack and more for loosies ($2.00 per stick)

Wow! I quit smoking cigarettes 10 years ago when they went to around $3.40 a pack here in California. They were just 25¢ a pack when I started smoking in the mid 1960s.

36 posted on 03/21/2014 8:15:03 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Drango

Spoken like someone who is addicted to a government solution to all the ills of a society.


37 posted on 03/21/2014 8:15:36 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

No one cares how gay you are.


38 posted on 03/21/2014 8:16:53 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

You seem to be obsessed with it. What you looking for a hookup. Look elsewhere.


39 posted on 03/21/2014 8:18:42 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: doc1019
I’m sure the Feds are hot on the trail of this and our cheap pleasure is doomed in the near future.

The scum sucking slime bags are probably already scheduling a no knock raid on your house, so be careful.

40 posted on 03/21/2014 8:50:38 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Mark17

Having done nothing wrong, I worry not. Everything I buy and everything I smoke is legal in the state of Ohio. It is the small business tobacco shops I worry about.

The shop I used had machines that rolled the cigarettes for you ... state did away with those.

One government step at a time.


41 posted on 03/21/2014 8:57:00 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: sickoflibs

All you need is a controlled commodity, a geopolitical boundary, and a price difference. Boom, you have smuggling.


42 posted on 03/21/2014 9:05:10 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

Why dont they just double the tax to make up for it?


43 posted on 03/21/2014 9:18:56 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: Drango
A federal tax is needed to stop interstate arbitrage.

Then you get an international arbitrage. The cartels would love it.

44 posted on 03/21/2014 10:01:06 PM PDT by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Most of the people around my area smoke Indian Cigs.


45 posted on 03/21/2014 10:47:50 PM PDT by SirFishalot
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To: PaulCruz2016

When I was a smoker and lived in Montana I found the price for a carton went up to $70 overnight (for the children) so I got them mailed to me from NY. Some Indian reservation there. Elliot Spitzer put a stop to that by telling UPS that they couldn’t pick up packages from the reservations or else. Now we have Most cigs bought in NEW York on the black market.


46 posted on 03/21/2014 11:23:01 PM PDT by tinamina (.)
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To: rolling_stone

“so what is the penalty for smuggling or selling untaxed ny cigarettes in ny?”

Apparently it is a felony.

http://www.waynetimes.com/uncategorized/two-nabbed-distributing-indian-reservation-cigarettes/


47 posted on 03/22/2014 12:48:59 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Interesting; many years ago I was in upstate NY when NYC had reached $10 per pack. The Indian reservation outside Niagara Falls NY was selling the same cigs at $22 per carton. They took down your license plate, but we could only buy 2 cartons anyway (since we were going into Ontario the next day, and you could only bring a carton apiece).


48 posted on 03/22/2014 2:04:14 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Amusingly, with a 190% increase and 57% smuggling, they are only collecting 82% of the revenue they would without that tax and with no smuggling. I suspect they would increase their revenue by repealing the tax to reduce the profits on both smuggling and buying smuggled tobacco. Liberals would never follow that advice, even if they understood it.


49 posted on 03/22/2014 2:45:27 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Only 57% Who is buying the platinum priced cigs?


50 posted on 03/22/2014 4:51:42 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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