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Radar Shows Plane Deliberately Flew Toward Indian Ocean: Reports
NBC News ^ | March 14, 2014 | Alastair Jamieson

Posted on 03/14/2014 9:03:51 AM PDT by SatinDoll

Military radar evidence suggests the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner was deliberately flown west toward the Indian Ocean’s Andaman Islands, sources told Reuters on Friday as mounting evidence pointed to a criminal inquiry into Flight MH370.

Two sources told Reuters that an unidentified aircraft – believed by investigators to be the missing Boeing 777 - was following a route between navigational way-points, indicating it was being flown by someone with aviation training when it was last plotted on military radar off the country's northwest coast.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andamanislands; boeing777; dsj; flightmh370; india; indianocean; iran; malaysia; mh370; southchinasea; usa; waronterror
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To: melancholy

Fitted by-———>fitted with

Plain-———>plane


121 posted on 03/14/2014 5:38:21 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: melancholy

Thanks for ping but haven’t been closely following this....though I’m aware of the latest.

It sure sounds something was up from the get go, but I’m slow with the idea of theories until they have more facts to go by.

What is stunning is they can’t find anything....which is what makes me suspect it’s a cover for something else....as is all the news being put out there for public consumption.


122 posted on 03/14/2014 5:41:47 PM PDT by caww
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To: holden
I believe all such power-related items on the a/c have an individual breaker that may be pulled manually.

There certainly is a resettable breaker per power consumer, but not necessarily per every little function. The control panel surface is not infinite. If a pilot is not perfectly aware of what system he is messing with, he'd be well advised to not touch that breaker. An airmchair pilot (terrorist) may not know such details. One needs a user's manual on 777 to find out exactly what breaker would control that function, and whether it is also controlling something else that the pilot would rather not disable.

123 posted on 03/14/2014 5:44:37 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: SatinDoll

So why is the USA spending probably billions of our taxpayer money on an event that most effects China and Malaysia, and why has it become an American obligation? China should be the deep pockets here, not the USA. If asked we should help, but I don’t see it as CNN is portraying it as our search and rescue.

Does Boeing even make the 777 entirely in the USA, and even if they did I don’t USA taxpayers getting a special dividend.


124 posted on 03/14/2014 5:45:09 PM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: Greysard

I don’t disagree, but certainly the trained Malaysian pilots would have known to be able to access the flight manuals and pull any breakers desired, or disabling larger groups of functions. Maybe terrorist-types could negotiate some of those hurdles.

There is new info about apparent phugoid oscillations (in the cookie corner) that suggest either lack of control, or unskilled control. What I’m catching here on a monitor at the Y is wildly entertainment-oriented and less than informative. Hopefully I’ll get a fuller set of details soon.

HF


125 posted on 03/14/2014 6:05:02 PM PDT by holden
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To: Buckeye McFrog

no offense but i hope out of those two options, it got shot down so it can’t be used as a weapon.


126 posted on 03/14/2014 6:11:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Greysard
One needs a user's manual on 777 to find out exactly what breaker would control that function, and whether it is also controlling something else that the pilot would rather not disable.

Luckily, you have a fully trained muslim pilot, who also has a 777 simulator in his home. Great place to practice evasive routes, figure fuel burn to alternate locations, and what luck! He would have access to such a manual that you suggest.

I would also like to know if they took on excess fuel before launch. Typically 10% of excess fuel is wasted hauling it's own weight around, so airlines are keen to fuel more accurately for the weight, distance, weather, etc. and IFR reserves for each leg or cycle of a flight, so they don't waste the cost of excess fuel load. A bunch of excess fuel over what was needed for the particular mission would certainly implicate the pilot in whatever plot.

That is a key piece of info I've not seen anywhere.

I've been reading elsewhere theories about the company that had all the employees on board, fast-something or other. They were developing very interesting electronics. Also, four of the five patent holders for some product of this company that held the potential to earn billions... were on board. Leaving ONE patent holder, and a huge incentive to disappear the rest. AND the patent was just approved. One owner stands to suddenly get very rich.

127 posted on 03/14/2014 6:20:56 PM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: apoliticalone

Just saying what John Bolton said, paraphrasing, USA just leads the world in technology in search and rescue. We saw the Chinese put out that satellite photo and it turned out to be nothing. Just Bolton’s talking points. I think most everyone wants to know what happened but you are right, it should not be down to us to foot the bill.


128 posted on 03/14/2014 7:11:37 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: Delta Dawn
If you steal $600 no one will care. If you steal $600 million, they will find you, unless they think that you are already dead.

You must not be familiar with our banking system.

129 posted on 03/14/2014 7:26:51 PM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: melancholy
With a longer range, you never know where it is. Look for Iran, Pakistan, etc. I don’t think Somalia or Yemen because of our constant drone surveillance.

I think they hijacked it just so they could how ridiculous the commentary could get in threads like this.

130 posted on 03/14/2014 7:34:27 PM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: palmer

LOL, post of the day.

Amazing all the conspiracies that have come up.

Not saying it’s impossible, but I still hold to my theory it’s a massive accident. It’s happened before. Including the depressurization/fire/lack of oxygen/pass out stuff.


131 posted on 03/14/2014 7:44:09 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: lowtaxsmallgov

I still say it’s a way of saying... we’re here and we’re coming.


132 posted on 03/14/2014 7:46:30 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: palmer
I think they hijacked it just so they could how ridiculous the commentary could get in threads like this.

Nah, I don't watch the idiot box m'self, but I understand that there is a locust plague of "experts" there explaining the unexplainable, and I am beginning to suspect that these experts, who up to now must have been unemployed and starving (otherwise, how would fully employed people ever find time to appear on telebision at all hours of day and night?), must have gotten together in a conspiracy to arrange this hijacking in order to find gainful employment.

133 posted on 03/14/2014 7:49:32 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: apoliticalone

Why are we, America, involved in this?

Someone on another thread stated that 20 employees of Freescale were on board this flight. Freescale makes electronic defense systems for the US and other nations, perhaps even Israel.

I wonder if those 20 Americans know how to disarm Freescale’s defense systems? Could the 777 be used as a ‘missle’ and carry a nuke into another nation?

I don’t accept the idea this flight crashed into the ocean due to the following: the black boxes would be pinging their assess off and easy to locate. That isn’t happening.

This plane disappeared between 1am - 130am, very early on Saturday morning. It could have taken all Saturday to get to the Maldives Archipelago. Once in the western IO on Saturday night, who would look for it there? Then off to ... where ever.


134 posted on 03/14/2014 7:52:13 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

If so then the black boxes would be pinging madly. They are not.


135 posted on 03/14/2014 7:56:00 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: Big Giant Head
I've been reading elsewhere theories about the company that had all the employees on board, fast-something or other.

That would be Freescale. I have been told that they are a big name in car racing. However I believe that they lost their chance in the CPU/MCU market. Perhaps they can make it up somewhere else.

Also, four of the five patent holders for some product of this company that held the potential to earn billions... were on board. Leaving ONE patent holder, and a huge incentive to disappear the rest. AND the patent was just approved. One owner stands to suddenly get very rich.

That "owner" is Freescale itself, a legal entity. Human inventors do not own their inventions that they made while on the clock, and while being paid to invent. All they get is their names on the patent. One could argue that some finer details of the invention may be lost, but it took YEARS to go through the USPTO, and by now that invention is either in products, or won't ever be. Here is one example; look for the "Assignee" field. Businesses are very well aware of the danger of employees quitting, dying, or changing loyalties. So there are measures to counteract that, to the extent that in some companies an individual worker does not mean anything. Foxconn may be the ultimate example of that.

136 posted on 03/14/2014 8:10:38 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: SatinDoll

Black boxes can’t be found just so easily anywhere they are. Air France again. Bottom of ocean, not found for years. This may not be as deep, but it could still be deep and buried.


137 posted on 03/14/2014 8:49:40 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: jeltz25
Precisely because we know what they have. They don't have 777’s so there best cover is to steal one and increase their percentage of success to penetrate airspace long enough to complete their objective. Hey, they just stole a 777 and educated idiots and pundits are guessing and making themselves look like idiots instead of talking with real technical experts. The governments are not talking and may know more than they are saying. Three days ago nobody was talking about telemetry and data link systems and associated signals. Only this plane already landed and went somewhere else. So now they are looking at past satellite and imagery data to find where the plane went. It may even have landed in daylight and took off again the next day in the middle of the night, less a lot more of its active avionics. Why steal a jet just to crash it in the ocean with a lot of Chinese on board? Get real.....If you just had a successful terror plot why not take credit, unless this is just the first phase. Nobody guessed 911 and these people have had time to plan. The pilot had his own simulator at home to practice this flight and not get caught practicing on an airline simulator. I used to have Delta pilots that were reserve Navy F/A-18 pilots come and fly F/A-18 OFT trainers and fly simulated MD80 and 757 flight patterns and destinations to civil airfields in an F/A-18 cockpit in simulated IFF conditions flying the needles and or looking at nighttime light references for VFR night conditions. One simply does not lose 800,000 lbs of airplane. Somebody is one step ahead and it all looks bad.
138 posted on 03/14/2014 8:56:01 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: SatinDoll

This has been brought up before but let’s not forget that maybe it was something in the cargo hold that they were after. Either to steal it or make sure it was not delivered. I am sure that is being searched out as well.


139 posted on 03/14/2014 9:06:58 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Mat_Helm

all very good points, thanks for the response/


140 posted on 03/14/2014 9:20:41 PM PDT by jeltz25
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