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Radar Shows Plane Deliberately Flew Toward Indian Ocean: Reports
NBC News ^ | March 14, 2014 | Alastair Jamieson

Posted on 03/14/2014 9:03:51 AM PDT by SatinDoll

Military radar evidence suggests the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner was deliberately flown west toward the Indian Ocean’s Andaman Islands, sources told Reuters on Friday as mounting evidence pointed to a criminal inquiry into Flight MH370.

Two sources told Reuters that an unidentified aircraft – believed by investigators to be the missing Boeing 777 - was following a route between navigational way-points, indicating it was being flown by someone with aviation training when it was last plotted on military radar off the country's northwest coast.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andamanislands; boeing777; dsj; flightmh370; india; indianocean; iran; malaysia; mh370; southchinasea; usa; waronterror
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OK - I originally posited that it possibly landed in Banda Aceh, Indonesia, but the Andamans is still Muslim, and their ETA would have been around 6am Saturday morning.

It is now, probably, in Pakistan and has been since sundown on Saturday.

1 posted on 03/14/2014 9:03:51 AM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: SatinDoll

Either that or the Indians shot it down before it reached Pakistan and both they and we are hushing it up.


2 posted on 03/14/2014 9:05:16 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

bttt


3 posted on 03/14/2014 9:05:52 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: SatinDoll

“Way-points are geographic coordinates that help pilots navigate along established air corridors. The last confirmed position of MH370 on civilian radar was at 35,000 feet about 90 miles off the east coast of Malaysia, heading toward Vietnam, near a navigational way-point called “Igari” at 1:21 a.m. local time.”

“Reuters said the military radar data seen by its sources suggests the plane then turned sharply westwards, heading toward a way-point called “Vampi,” northeast of Indonesia’s Aceh province and a navigational point used for planes following route N571 to the Middle East. From there, the plot indicates the plane flew toward a way-point called “Gival”, south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest toward another way-point called “Igrex”, on route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly toward Europe.”

More info from article.


4 posted on 03/14/2014 9:05:59 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: SatinDoll

Another thing I’ve wondered about is the spot where Bin Laden was dumped overboard. It wouldn’t surprise me if islamderthals wouldn’t kill a few hundred people in his honor.


5 posted on 03/14/2014 9:07:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SatinDoll; WildHighlander57; LucyT; cripplecreek

Ping on missing Malaysian airliner.


6 posted on 03/14/2014 9:08:48 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: SatinDoll

One would think authorities are doing intensive background searches on every single passenger.


7 posted on 03/14/2014 9:18:57 AM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: SatinDoll

The news media and news reports do not understand the data down link on the 777. There are 2 separate systems. ACARS and AHM System. The ACARS downloads an engine data report three times during every flight: at gear up, at cruise initiation (1:07 am), and gear down. The system was not disabled. The gear never came down so the final data report was never sent. The second data reporting system is called Airplane Health Management system. It is built into every 777. It is always operating. The system reports to Boeing servers thru Iridium low earth orbit satellites once per hour. The airline must pay a subscription fee to obtain the data. MAL was not a subscriber. They did not get any data; however, they system pings the server once per hour over the life of the aircraft. The ping would travel thru the nearest Iridium satellite to the Boeing server. The server would log the time and aircraft ID. By back - tracking thru the satellite system that handled the pings would allow the ground folks to reconstruct the flight path. That is why India has been asked to help and why the destroyer Kidd has been sent to the Indian ocean.


8 posted on 03/14/2014 9:22:57 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: SatinDoll

I have been thinking about the passengers and how they would deal with them. If they didn’t have weapons on board and wanted to quietly get to their destination, they were flying at a perfect time of night. The passengers would probably be asleep. Any deviation, the pilot could tell the passengers it was a minor navigation correction. Given the length of the flight, people on board might not notice
Staying primarily over water would keep the cell phones inactive till they reached land. Then they could more dramatically deal with the everyone on board.
I want to believe that our government is on this in a big way.


9 posted on 03/14/2014 9:23:52 AM PDT by skams19
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To: SatinDoll

There are a dozen or so airfields on Indian Ocean islands that are predominantly Muslim. However I can’t really see a secret like a 777 being kept successfully.


10 posted on 03/14/2014 9:24:44 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: SatinDoll

Technically, we could also say it was headed in the direction of Lake Michigan (either from the east or from the west).


11 posted on 03/14/2014 9:25:33 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Buckeye McFrog

My guess is wherever that plane is the powers that be know about it. They just are not ready to share with us.


12 posted on 03/14/2014 9:27:57 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: robert14

Thank you for the information.


13 posted on 03/14/2014 9:28:01 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: RedMDer

Thanks for the reply. No one seems to be interested in the facts. Do a Google search on boeing 777 ahm. It is available for anyone to read about.


14 posted on 03/14/2014 9:31:46 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: robert14

Thanks. Great info


15 posted on 03/14/2014 9:32:12 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: SatinDoll
This is not new information.

One of the significant comments in this article is: Reuters said the military radar data seen by its sources

Reuters is not revealing sources. It earlier spoke of a rift between US and Malaysian investigators. It's become a common comment that Malaysia is obfuscating, perhaps to save face.

However, this seems deeper than that. Reuters sources almost certainly are US.

Going over the Andamans, the choice is between landfall in Bangladesh or Burma (Myanmar). Myanmar would be a candidate for terrorist activity, perhaps.

16 posted on 03/14/2014 9:32:14 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Rennes Templar

And crew?


17 posted on 03/14/2014 9:34:32 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: robert14

Looked it up after you posted. Thanks.


18 posted on 03/14/2014 9:35:21 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

It amazes me how lazy the news media is. Even the expert talking heads are too lazy to do a Google search.


19 posted on 03/14/2014 9:36:56 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: robert14

Thank you.


20 posted on 03/14/2014 9:37:11 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: robert14
The airline must pay a subscription fee to obtain the data. MAL was not a subscriber.

Since MAL was not a subscriber, this is probably a reporting system that even the pilots were not aware of. Whether the hijackers were the two MAL pilots or were passengers, when the hijackers turned off the transponders they probably had no idea about this other system pinging satellites periodically. So this satellited pinging mechanism was probably not turned off by the hijackers. Indeed, if they were aware of it and how to turn it off (if that is even possible), then they would have done so hours earlier when they turned the transponder off.

If that is the case, the plane crashed or landed somewhere in the flight radius between where the last ping occurred and when the next ping would have occurred.

21 posted on 03/14/2014 9:37:41 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: SatinDoll

Another twist and turn to the story. Reports are published then denied. Published again and denied. We are being jerked from the East coast to the West coast of Malaysia. This is definitely like a mystery novel. I can see a movie comming out after this is over. Quite the plot. Heck the first parts may already be written and are just waiting on the final outcome.


22 posted on 03/14/2014 9:39:17 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: robert14
The ACARS downloads an engine data report three times during every flight: at gear up, at cruise initiation (1:07 am), and gear down. The system was not disabled. The gear never came down so the final data report was never sent.

How do you know the ACARS was not disabled?

23 posted on 03/14/2014 9:40:13 AM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Meet the New Boss

You got it. That is what actually happened. The remaining mystery is why the crew allowed it to happened.


24 posted on 03/14/2014 9:40:26 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Bookmark


25 posted on 03/14/2014 9:40:40 AM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: xzins

The airliner was highjacked between 1am - 130am early Saturday morning. By 6am they were far away from the Straits of Malaysia. They could have refueled and been out over the IO without anyone looking for them. If they went over India then they probably used false ID but I do not believe they did that. It has been six days since they disappeared with no one looking for them the first 36 hours. They might have stuck to open ocean, far from land.

My supposition has always been that they headed for a large landing strip on the Maldives Archipelago, then onto the Middle East. No one last weekend seems to have been looking for them in the western IO.


26 posted on 03/14/2014 9:42:02 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: zipper

I do not know. I do know that 2 of the 3 required reports were sent. The AHM was not disabled. So I assume likewise that the ACARS was not disabled. Even if it was disabled, we still know the approximate 777 ground track from the AHM and the satellite ground tracks.


27 posted on 03/14/2014 9:46:26 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: SatinDoll
In the end, we need to start using the RQ-4 Global Hawk surveillance UAV and from 60,000 feet, use visble, infrared and ultraviolet spectrum cameras to search almost every square meter of land and sea within six hours' flight time of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to find the plane (or the remains of the plane).
28 posted on 03/14/2014 9:49:57 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: robert14

What is ACARS using to report status? Is it using SATCOM? If so, couldn’t it be disabled by a hostile crew? It’s farfetched but possible. As for AHM, are you saying it pings the Boeing servers even if the country isn’t a subscriber? Nevertheless, an Iridium transceiver could be disabled, too. Again, it would take a knowledgeable crew to do something like that, but I think that’s where the conspiracy theories are leading. If a terrorist crew was smart enough to take over the flight and fly it to a secret destination, they’d probably know about the on board systems.


29 posted on 03/14/2014 9:50:28 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional "rights" cherished by Democrats.)
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To: SatinDoll

Excellent points!

Bookmarking ....


30 posted on 03/14/2014 9:50:59 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: JimSEA
There are a dozen or so airfields on Indian Ocean islands that are predominantly Muslim. However I can’t really see a secret like a 777 being kept successfully.

Which of these fields have hangars big enough to hide a 777?

31 posted on 03/14/2014 9:54:43 AM PDT by stboz
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To: CitizenUSA

The Iridium transponder was not disabled. That was the source of the pings. The satellite cannot be controlled or disabled by a user. The ACARS would only tell us that the gear came down.


32 posted on 03/14/2014 9:57:53 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: CitizenUSA
What is ACARS using to report status? Is it using SATCOM?

Anything it can. SATCOM overwater, with HF secondary backup, again overwater, out of VHF range.

Simple to disable through circuit breakers in the cockpit.

AHM is a different system completely.

33 posted on 03/14/2014 9:57:55 AM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: robert14

This would seem to indicate that the plane has crashed since there was no third report (wheels down) from the system. I have a hard time believing the pilots, at least the FO, didn’t know about the AHM, even if MAL didn’t subscribe to the service.


34 posted on 03/14/2014 10:01:07 AM PDT by virgil
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To: zipper

Who cares about the ACARS? The final engine data report would have been triggered by the gear down event and would have provided some routine engine data. It’s the AHM ping data that tells us where the plane is.


35 posted on 03/14/2014 10:04:10 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: robert14

The reporting has been all over the map on this. Can you confirm/refute stories that state the AHM can:

- Send altitude data
- Send Direction of travel data
- Send positional data

Thanks


36 posted on 03/14/2014 10:05:39 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Meet the New Boss; robert14
"how to turn it off (if that is even possible)"

I believe all such power-related items on the a/c have an individual breaker that may be pulled manually.

That there wasn't a "gear down" data packet bodes seriously ill, I think. If that's correct, it would've had to belly-in somewhere, on the ocean or land. That the Mal-Asians probably aren't capable of mounting a dredging operation is a pretty strong indicator why the USN dispatched such a ship toward the Indian Ocean.

Would that be roughly where Muzzies surmise OBL's carcass to have been sent to Davey Jones' locker?

HF

37 posted on 03/14/2014 10:05:53 AM PDT by holden
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To: virgil

None of the 777 expert talking heads I have listened to for the past 6 days have even mentioned the AHM let alone how it works. I am an aerospace engineer and experienced pilot. I did not know about the AHM until I started google searching AHM and ping yesterday.


38 posted on 03/14/2014 10:08:43 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: lacrew

No, no, and no. If an airline does not subscribe, the data is not available. The tracking of the aircraft would be calculated via satellite ground tracks that actually received the pings from the Iridium transponder on the 777.


39 posted on 03/14/2014 10:13:17 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: SatinDoll
Probably landed in the Maldive's at Male Island (10,000ft runway)refueled and on to Iran. Did the copilot wait for the captain to leave the cockpit and let his Iranian buddies in, lock the door and put on oxygen, depressurize the cabin to kill the passengers and crew at altitude? Boeing 777 converted to a nuclear bomber soon on its way to Tel Aviv or New York.
40 posted on 03/14/2014 10:14:00 AM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: virgil

You are correct. Failure to receive the last ACARS report probably means that the plane landed without the gear being dropped.


41 posted on 03/14/2014 10:15:44 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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Well stated and then there’s the satellite fleet of the USAF. They have over 900 of them many of which can look down. We watch these waters as closely as anyplace and I’m not believing that somewhere in the recorded data is at least a blinking light path that came from this plane——also confirming to me why the Kidd is going where it’s going. Note also that, apparently it’s the Kidd and only the Kidd, even tho Task Force 150 is near by as well as the rest of 5th and 7th fleet operations. The lack of “wheels down” data is a bit spooky meaning the plan just didn’t work out.


42 posted on 03/14/2014 10:17:42 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: lacrew

If MAL had subscribed to AHM all the data you listed would a have been sent on a regular basis to to Boeing server.


43 posted on 03/14/2014 10:18:14 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: robert14
Well, I'm glad we have someone here who knows a lot about aircraft. Have you flown these big jets? I just think the First Officer would know about all of these tracking systems, IMHO. Anyway, unless there's a way to turn off that AHM transponder, it doesn't bode well for the aircraft and passengers.

If they could turn it off, an ideal time for a hijacker to do so would be after the first 2 pings and right before the last ping to make everybody think it's crashed. Some of these terrorists are pretty crafty.

44 posted on 03/14/2014 10:18:17 AM PDT by virgil
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To: robert14

Ok.....a lot of bad reporting out there.


45 posted on 03/14/2014 10:19:25 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Mat_Helm
"Boeing 777 converted to a nuclear bomber soon on its way to Tel Aviv or New York."

Certainly the most logical conclusion at this point.

46 posted on 03/14/2014 10:21:00 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: Rennes Templar
One would think authorities are doing intensive background searches on every single passenger and crew member.

Don't forget the repentant intended shoe-bomber's recent testimony about terror cells in Malaysia including a pilot.

47 posted on 03/14/2014 10:21:35 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: virgil

Since MAL did not subscribe to AHM data and since non of the 777 experts I have heard on TV know about the AHM system why do you think any of the MAL pilots knew about it?


48 posted on 03/14/2014 10:22:23 AM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: newfreep

More likely scenario is that of the 911 plane that crashed in PA. The terrorists attempting to use the plane as a missle were overtaken and the plane crashed.


49 posted on 03/14/2014 10:24:13 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: All
CNN BREAKING NEWS: Still no clue what really happened.
50 posted on 03/14/2014 10:27:20 AM PDT by McGruff (I do not like the current Uncle Sam...)
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