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Ukraine pleads for U.S., U.K. help after Russian 'invasion'
The Globe and Mail ^ | Last updated Friday, Feb. 28 2014, 7:53 AM EST | Mark MacKinnon

Posted on 02/28/2014 5:13:20 AM PST by Texas Fossil

The new Ukrainian government says it has been invaded by Russia, and has appealed for the United States and United Kingdom to protect it, as they guaranteed under a 1994 agreement.

The move came after pro-Russian gunmen seized both main airports on the Crimean Peninsula early Friday, a day after other militiamen took control of the regional parliament building. With gunmen in the building and the Russian flag flying from the roof, deputies appointed a new government and passed a motion Thursday calling for a referendum on the future as part of Ukraine.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; invasion; noquotemarksneeded; putinsbuttboys; russia; russianinvasion; russianoccupation; ukraine; ukrainecrisis
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Well, I don't think this surprises many people.

It does not say they are Russian troops, but it is obvious the invasion is with their equipment.

Putin knows that Obama will do absolutely nothing in the Ukraine or in Venezuela.

Any other president would have credibility to at least force Putin to use caution in his takeover. But none related to our Commie in Chief.

1 posted on 02/28/2014 5:13:20 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Obamugabe won’t discuss this with his buddy, Vlad. At best, he’ll look into his “international tool box” and find...

John Effin Kerry!

At that point, he will be found mumbling, “I should have kept that Condoleeza Rice in my tool box.”


2 posted on 02/28/2014 5:18:40 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Texas Fossil

We’ve been invaded. In fact, it is now illegal in certain parts of the U.S. for American school children to display the American flag in American schools because it could upset the invaders’ children. Sounds like we’ve been conquered.


3 posted on 02/28/2014 5:20:09 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Texas Fossil
Ukraine pleads for U.S., U.K. help after Russian 'invasion'

Putin takes over while Obama, Kerry and Biden slink around wringing their hands and moaning, "Vlad, you are a bad boy. We don't like you any more". Incredible!!

4 posted on 02/28/2014 5:21:02 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: Texas Fossil

With all due disrespect to zero, we have no business propping up the tire burning crowd over there. We have more problems here than are being addressed now.


5 posted on 02/28/2014 5:21:48 AM PST by soycd
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6 posted on 02/28/2014 5:27:07 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Texas Fossil

I have no more use for Obama as the next guy, but the truth is that no American president, even Ted Cruz, would be willing to risk a war of immense proportions to help the Ukraine. It is not the President that Putin is taking his measure of, but the people. He has observed for more than a decade the United States involved in two conflicts that would rank as minor in terms of casualties, and has observed much consternation among the populace. Do you really think we are willing to go full Eastern Front, engage in the 2nd Battle of Kursk over the Ukraine. We know the answer to that question, and so does he.


7 posted on 02/28/2014 5:27:34 AM PST by gusty
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To: soycd
I can't imagine the EU would want the "tire burning crowd" (love that description) to have control of any nukes in the Ukraine. I can't imagine they'd want this group in power at their border, with the power to inspire similar uprisings in the poorer nations of the EU.

How come we're hearing nothing anymore about how things got out of control when the demonstrators killed troops during a truce?

8 posted on 02/28/2014 5:29:04 AM PST by grania
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To: Texas Fossil

Literally every weapon with any faction in the Ukraine is Russian...


9 posted on 02/28/2014 5:30:47 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Texas Fossil
Where's the UN? Where's NATO?
...crickets...
10 posted on 02/28/2014 5:31:47 AM PST by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Any other president would have credibility to at least force Putin to use caution in his takeover

Don't be absurd.

No rational leader - and I include President Reagan - would seriously threaten force on what is, in essence, Russian territory.

The Ukrainians are very close to Moscow and very far from Washington, and I hope they have taken this into account in their calculations.

11 posted on 02/28/2014 5:33:01 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: grania

Nobody wants to accept that both sides are doing a lot of manipulating there and we’re powerless to do anything about it.

Its frankly not worth getting distracted with.


12 posted on 02/28/2014 5:33:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: soycd

“With all due disrespect to zero, we have no business propping up the tire burning crowd over there. We have more problems here than are being addressed now.”

What about the 1994 agreement? I agree with you that this would normally not be our business. However, we did sign an agreement with them. It is a sticky situation I know. The fact that we no longer have any credibility is bad enough. The fact that we will not, or can not, honor our agreements is even worse.
Also, we haven’t even had time to figure out the overall situation over there; who is who, etc.


13 posted on 02/28/2014 5:34:00 AM PST by mark3681
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To: Texas Fossil
I know who to send over there.

"I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for duty,"

14 posted on 02/28/2014 5:35:17 AM PST by McGruff (Every night has it's dawn.)
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To: Texas Fossil

If you’re asking Barry for help and you’re not Muslim you might as well try p-ing up a rope.
It ain’t gonna happen.


15 posted on 02/28/2014 5:38:39 AM PST by servo1969
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To: Texas Fossil

People seem to think that borders are forever or can only change with war. Why not let this part of Ukraine that clearly seems to want to be with Russia become part of Russia? There’s obviously different parts of the country with differing allegiances and the existing borders are artificial anyway.


16 posted on 02/28/2014 5:41:22 AM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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“The parliament also called for guarantees of the memorandum signed by Ukraine, Britain, Russia and the United States in Budapest in 1994. That agreement guaranteed Ukraine’s sovereignty and current borders in exchange for surrendering the nuclear weapons that were left after the collapse of the Soviet Union.”

Apparently, that agreement isn’t worth the paper it was written on.


17 posted on 02/28/2014 5:44:55 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Texas Fossil
Background on Ukraine's demands before giving up its nukes:

Before voting on accession, Ukraine demanded from Russia, the USA, France and the United Kingdom a written statement that these powers undertook to extend the security guarantees to Ukraine. Instead security assurances to Ukraine (Ukraine published the documents as guarantees given to Ukraine[5]) were given on 5 December 1994 at a formal ceremony in Budapest (known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances[6]), may be summarized as follows: Russia, the UK and the USA undertake to respect Ukraine's borders in accordance with the principles of the 1975 CSCE Final Act, to abstain from the use or threat of force against Ukraine, to support Ukraine where an attempt is made to place pressure on it by economic coercion, and to bring any incident of aggression by a nuclear power before the UN Security Council.

As it turns out, they might have been better off holding on to a couple of dozen of them instead of relying on security guarantees from the US and the UK.

18 posted on 02/28/2014 5:49:07 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: SW6906

Just another situation that will leave the USA looking feckless and ineffective. Don’t sign treaties unless you really mean it.


19 posted on 02/28/2014 5:49:25 AM PST by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: SW6906

That is probably what will happen.


20 posted on 02/28/2014 5:49:33 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: McGruff

Can we pay “them” to keep him?


21 posted on 02/28/2014 5:50:20 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: gusty

Do you remember the Berlin air lift?

I did not say go to War. I said to invoke caution by Putin.


22 posted on 02/28/2014 5:52:13 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: SW6906

I suppose now Barry will host a Golf Summit with Putin?


23 posted on 02/28/2014 5:54:56 AM PST by freebird5850 (The only good thing about Barry getting re-elected is now we get to see him fall from a higher place)
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To: Jim Noble
The Ukrainians are very close to Moscow ...

This is true of the eastern half of the Ukraine, mainly because the eastern Ukraine is populated by Russians. The Western half of the Ukraine (and ethnic Ukrainians) has a deep, bitter hatred of Russia.

Look up "Holodomor". The Russians starved the Ukrainians on a scale equal to the holocaust. Ukrainians like Russians the same way the Jews like the Germans.

24 posted on 02/28/2014 5:55:23 AM PST by kidd
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Zero chose Biden and Kerry for that exact reason.

Both are totally incapable of doing anything. They are worse than Barney Feif. They will blindly tell any lie instructed, and when things go wrong no one will blame the dummies for getting it wrong.

This is by design.

Neither Biden nor Kerry will ever shine the light of truth on Obozo.


25 posted on 02/28/2014 5:56:02 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: McGruff

bwahaha...I forgot about that stunt. Man he got his ass handed to him by the Swifties..


26 posted on 02/28/2014 5:56:37 AM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Hungary 1956


27 posted on 02/28/2014 5:57:17 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Texas Fossil
Message to new Ukrainian government:Not long before our 2012 elections Osama Obama whispered...yes,*whispered*...to Medevev that he wanted Vlad Putin to know that he'd be “more flexible” *after* the election.

So kiss any hopes of US help goodbye.

Only time will tell what help,if any,Europe is both willing *and* able to provide...but I wouldn't count on much there either (although I could be wrong).

28 posted on 02/28/2014 6:00:15 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative; Uncle Chip

Correct.


29 posted on 02/28/2014 6:02:28 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Jim Noble; Squawk 8888
No rational leader - and I include President Reagan - would seriously threaten force on what is, in essence, Russian territory.

So if Canada were to have a government of which we didn't approve would that give us the right to roll the tanks? Or is Canada essentially US territory?

30 posted on 02/28/2014 6:03:16 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Jim Noble
"No rational leader - and I include President Reagan - would seriously threaten force on what is, in essence, Russian territory. The Ukrainians are very close to Moscow and very far from Washington, and I hope they have taken this into account in their calculations."

Agree . We should have far more geopolitical interest in what is happening in Venezuela which is in our backyard and a major oil exporter to the US. Yet we here almost nothing about Maduro and the national demonstrations and violence by government agents there.

31 posted on 02/28/2014 6:04:11 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Texas Fossil

Well the Soviet Union (formerly known as Russia) has 150,000 boots on the ground at the Crimea ‘border’. Anyone who thinks some of them are not in country is insane


32 posted on 02/28/2014 6:04:16 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Uncle Chip
Hungary 1956

Tienanmen Square 1989

Georgia (the other one) 2008

33 posted on 02/28/2014 6:06:02 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: SW6906

That sounds like the best solution.

I wish we had made an effort to divide Iraq up into 3 countries. I suppose that the strategic southern zone might have merged with Iran. That wouldn’t have been good. However, when people just don’t get along with their neighbors, it is time to consider secession.


34 posted on 02/28/2014 6:10:18 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: soycd

“We have more problems here than are being addressed now.”

From a world power to a laughing stock in under 6 years.


35 posted on 02/28/2014 6:11:54 AM PST by Slambat
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To: Gay State Conservative
So if Canada were to have a government of which we didn't approve would that give us the right to roll the tanks?

Of course, under the right circumstances.

36 posted on 02/28/2014 6:12:55 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Texas Fossil

i’m actually fine with doing nothing.

like when russia “invaded” georgia back in 2008.


37 posted on 02/28/2014 6:15:14 AM PST by VAFreedom (maybe i should take a nap before work)
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To: Texas Fossil
Most of the Ukrainians are all up in Canada.
38 posted on 02/28/2014 6:17:40 AM PST by jetson
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To: soycd

I think the best deal would be Russia agrees to allow Ukraine to join the EU and NATO in exchange for getting Crimea and Donetsk region.

If I were the Ukrainians, I make that deal in a heartbeat.

Crimea legitimately should belong to Russia, it was only a drunken, impulsive decision by Khrushchev, back in the days when it really didn’t matter which Soviet Socialist Republic it belonged to.

EIther way, it’s none of our business, and we should let events take their course.


39 posted on 02/28/2014 6:22:47 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Texas Fossil
hmm, (granrantees given) just like the Poland Republic in '39..(iirc)
Soviet Russia had a hand in that invasion (and the Baltic States
/Finland), too."history shall repeat itself, when lessons aren't learnt."

40 posted on 02/28/2014 6:29:51 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Germany 1953


41 posted on 02/28/2014 6:31:42 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Texas Fossil
From the article:

The parliament also called for guarantees of the memorandum signed by Ukraine, Britain, Russia and the United States in Budapest in 1994. That agreement guaranteed Ukraine’s sovereignty and current borders in exchange for surrendering the nuclear weapons that were left after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

It appears Russia is saying the Ukraine governmnet is not legitimate so the treaty is void.

42 posted on 02/28/2014 6:35:14 AM PST by No One Special
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To: No One Special

Really doesn’t matter what other countries say/do if the Ukrainian military isn’t willing to fight a big war with Putin right now.


43 posted on 02/28/2014 6:39:38 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Texas Fossil

Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize while in office for only three weeks. This whole will be a piece of cake for him, this whole misunderstanding will all be settled in the next few days if not hours (end sarcasm here).


44 posted on 02/28/2014 6:41:09 AM PST by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: Texas Fossil

0bama response: “Fore!”


45 posted on 02/28/2014 6:41:23 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Broi)
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To: Texas Fossil

There is not much we can do short of going to war with Russia. It may be that the Ukraine and The Crimea will just be divided.

Obama has not got the guts or the wits to play with Putin. He has not got an SOS with the brains or gravitas to carry out a plan if he had one.

The only chess piece to play is for the US and the EU to do what they did in the Georgia episode and make Putin believe he will be shunned by the West if he proceeds. Thats what Sarkozy flew to Moscow to tell him when he was getting ready to take all of Georgia. He got Ossetia and now he will get Crimea but not all of Ukraine. He’s been planning this for 5-6 years.


46 posted on 02/28/2014 6:42:26 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Sorry. We don’t have the troops. Obama is downsizing the Army to WWII levels. That is 4 companies and maybe two extra platoons of infantry.


47 posted on 02/28/2014 6:44:05 AM PST by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

And pooty tooty will wait until he can slice off another ppiece of the salami. Hillary can also be flexible.


48 posted on 02/28/2014 6:51:42 AM PST by No One Special
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To: No One Special

I think Vlad knows he can’t have all of the Ukraine. He will be happy with Crimea and keeping his port on the Black Sea. He has been wanting to do this for a long time.


49 posted on 02/28/2014 6:53:51 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Texas Fossil

A NOTE FROM THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE PEOPLE OF UKRAINE

Regarding your recent request for assistance: sorry, but you’ve caught us at a bad time and we won’t be able to help in your struggle for freedom. Try to hold out until January 2017. Hopefully, we’ll be in a better position to help you out then. Good luck and hang in there.


50 posted on 02/28/2014 7:00:50 AM PST by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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