Skip to comments.Ukraine pleads for U.S., U.K. help after Russian 'invasion'
Posted on 02/28/2014 5:13:20 AM PST by Texas Fossil
The new Ukrainian government says it has been invaded by Russia, and has appealed for the United States and United Kingdom to protect it, as they guaranteed under a 1994 agreement.
The move came after pro-Russian gunmen seized both main airports on the Crimean Peninsula early Friday, a day after other militiamen took control of the regional parliament building. With gunmen in the building and the Russian flag flying from the roof, deputies appointed a new government and passed a motion Thursday calling for a referendum on the future as part of Ukraine.
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It does not say they are Russian troops, but it is obvious the invasion is with their equipment.
Putin knows that Obama will do absolutely nothing in the Ukraine or in Venezuela.
Any other president would have credibility to at least force Putin to use caution in his takeover. But none related to our Commie in Chief.
Obamugabe won’t discuss this with his buddy, Vlad. At best, he’ll look into his “international tool box” and find...
John Effin Kerry!
At that point, he will be found mumbling, “I should have kept that Condoleeza Rice in my tool box.”
We’ve been invaded. In fact, it is now illegal in certain parts of the U.S. for American school children to display the American flag in American schools because it could upset the invaders’ children. Sounds like we’ve been conquered.
Putin takes over while Obama, Kerry and Biden slink around wringing their hands and moaning, "Vlad, you are a bad boy. We don't like you any more". Incredible!!
With all due disrespect to zero, we have no business propping up the tire burning crowd over there. We have more problems here than are being addressed now.
I have no more use for Obama as the next guy, but the truth is that no American president, even Ted Cruz, would be willing to risk a war of immense proportions to help the Ukraine. It is not the President that Putin is taking his measure of, but the people. He has observed for more than a decade the United States involved in two conflicts that would rank as minor in terms of casualties, and has observed much consternation among the populace. Do you really think we are willing to go full Eastern Front, engage in the 2nd Battle of Kursk over the Ukraine. We know the answer to that question, and so does he.
How come we're hearing nothing anymore about how things got out of control when the demonstrators killed troops during a truce?
Literally every weapon with any faction in the Ukraine is Russian...
Don't be absurd.
No rational leader - and I include President Reagan - would seriously threaten force on what is, in essence, Russian territory.
The Ukrainians are very close to Moscow and very far from Washington, and I hope they have taken this into account in their calculations.
Nobody wants to accept that both sides are doing a lot of manipulating there and we’re powerless to do anything about it.
Its frankly not worth getting distracted with.
“With all due disrespect to zero, we have no business propping up the tire burning crowd over there. We have more problems here than are being addressed now.”
What about the 1994 agreement? I agree with you that this would normally not be our business. However, we did sign an agreement with them. It is a sticky situation I know. The fact that we no longer have any credibility is bad enough. The fact that we will not, or can not, honor our agreements is even worse.
Also, we haven’t even had time to figure out the overall situation over there; who is who, etc.
"I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for duty,"
If you’re asking Barry for help and you’re not Muslim you might as well try p-ing up a rope.
It ain’t gonna happen.
People seem to think that borders are forever or can only change with war. Why not let this part of Ukraine that clearly seems to want to be with Russia become part of Russia? There’s obviously different parts of the country with differing allegiances and the existing borders are artificial anyway.
“The parliament also called for guarantees of the memorandum signed by Ukraine, Britain, Russia and the United States in Budapest in 1994. That agreement guaranteed Ukraines sovereignty and current borders in exchange for surrendering the nuclear weapons that were left after the collapse of the Soviet Union.”
Apparently, that agreement isn’t worth the paper it was written on.
Before voting on accession, Ukraine demanded from Russia, the USA, France and the United Kingdom a written statement that these powers undertook to extend the security guarantees to Ukraine. Instead security assurances to Ukraine (Ukraine published the documents as guarantees given to Ukraine) were given on 5 December 1994 at a formal ceremony in Budapest (known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances), may be summarized as follows: Russia, the UK and the USA undertake to respect Ukraine's borders in accordance with the principles of the 1975 CSCE Final Act, to abstain from the use or threat of force against Ukraine, to support Ukraine where an attempt is made to place pressure on it by economic coercion, and to bring any incident of aggression by a nuclear power before the UN Security Council.
As it turns out, they might have been better off holding on to a couple of dozen of them instead of relying on security guarantees from the US and the UK.
Just another situation that will leave the USA looking feckless and ineffective. Don’t sign treaties unless you really mean it.
That is probably what will happen.
Can we pay “them” to keep him?
Do you remember the Berlin air lift?
I did not say go to War. I said to invoke caution by Putin.
I suppose now Barry will host a Golf Summit with Putin?
This is true of the eastern half of the Ukraine, mainly because the eastern Ukraine is populated by Russians. The Western half of the Ukraine (and ethnic Ukrainians) has a deep, bitter hatred of Russia.
Look up "Holodomor". The Russians starved the Ukrainians on a scale equal to the holocaust. Ukrainians like Russians the same way the Jews like the Germans.
Zero chose Biden and Kerry for that exact reason.
Both are totally incapable of doing anything. They are worse than Barney Feif. They will blindly tell any lie instructed, and when things go wrong no one will blame the dummies for getting it wrong.
This is by design.
Neither Biden nor Kerry will ever shine the light of truth on Obozo.
bwahaha...I forgot about that stunt. Man he got his ass handed to him by the Swifties..
So kiss any hopes of US help goodbye.
Only time will tell what help,if any,Europe is both willing *and* able to provide...but I wouldn't count on much there either (although I could be wrong).
So if Canada were to have a government of which we didn't approve would that give us the right to roll the tanks? Or is Canada essentially US territory?
Agree . We should have far more geopolitical interest in what is happening in Venezuela which is in our backyard and a major oil exporter to the US. Yet we here almost nothing about Maduro and the national demonstrations and violence by government agents there.
Well the Soviet Union (formerly known as Russia) has 150,000 boots on the ground at the Crimea ‘border’. Anyone who thinks some of them are not in country is insane
Tienanmen Square 1989
Georgia (the other one) 2008
That sounds like the best solution.
I wish we had made an effort to divide Iraq up into 3 countries. I suppose that the strategic southern zone might have merged with Iran. That wouldn’t have been good. However, when people just don’t get along with their neighbors, it is time to consider secession.
“We have more problems here than are being addressed now.”
From a world power to a laughing stock in under 6 years.
Of course, under the right circumstances.
i’m actually fine with doing nothing.
like when russia “invaded” georgia back in 2008.
I think the best deal would be Russia agrees to allow Ukraine to join the EU and NATO in exchange for getting Crimea and Donetsk region.
If I were the Ukrainians, I make that deal in a heartbeat.
Crimea legitimately should belong to Russia, it was only a drunken, impulsive decision by Khrushchev, back in the days when it really didn’t matter which Soviet Socialist Republic it belonged to.
EIther way, it’s none of our business, and we should let events take their course.
The parliament also called for guarantees of the memorandum signed by Ukraine, Britain, Russia and the United States in Budapest in 1994. That agreement guaranteed Ukraines sovereignty and current borders in exchange for surrendering the nuclear weapons that were left after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
It appears Russia is saying the Ukraine governmnet is not legitimate so the treaty is void.
Really doesn’t matter what other countries say/do if the Ukrainian military isn’t willing to fight a big war with Putin right now.
Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize while in office for only three weeks. This whole will be a piece of cake for him, this whole misunderstanding will all be settled in the next few days if not hours (end sarcasm here).
0bama response: “Fore!”
There is not much we can do short of going to war with Russia. It may be that the Ukraine and The Crimea will just be divided.
Obama has not got the guts or the wits to play with Putin. He has not got an SOS with the brains or gravitas to carry out a plan if he had one.
The only chess piece to play is for the US and the EU to do what they did in the Georgia episode and make Putin believe he will be shunned by the West if he proceeds. Thats what Sarkozy flew to Moscow to tell him when he was getting ready to take all of Georgia. He got Ossetia and now he will get Crimea but not all of Ukraine. He’s been planning this for 5-6 years.
Sorry. We don’t have the troops. Obama is downsizing the Army to WWII levels. That is 4 companies and maybe two extra platoons of infantry.
And pooty tooty will wait until he can slice off another ppiece of the salami. Hillary can also be flexible.
I think Vlad knows he can’t have all of the Ukraine. He will be happy with Crimea and keeping his port on the Black Sea. He has been wanting to do this for a long time.
A NOTE FROM THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE PEOPLE OF UKRAINE
Regarding your recent request for assistance: sorry, but you’ve caught us at a bad time and we won’t be able to help in your struggle for freedom. Try to hold out until January 2017. Hopefully, we’ll be in a better position to help you out then. Good luck and hang in there.
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