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1 posted on 02/15/2014 11:30:33 PM PST by Innovative
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I guess this is how Obama intended — kill off those who do have chronic diseases and the older people, then Obamacare can survive and thrive, when it’s only available to those who don’t actually need medical care.

He must have read Hitler’s book about “useless eaters”...


2 posted on 02/15/2014 11:32:28 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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If you like your medication...


3 posted on 02/15/2014 11:33:08 PM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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Good.


5 posted on 02/15/2014 11:36:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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And note that this doesn’t even “just” apply to those with pre-existing conditions, which of course Obama promised it would be covered, but even if you get some disease AFTER you have insurance that requires expensive medication, that won’t be covered at all and won’t even count against your huge deductible.

So you might as well NOT have insurance, if it doesn’t cover expensive treatments.


7 posted on 02/15/2014 11:55:51 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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"So it could be that a MS patient could be expected to pay $62,000 just for one medication," says Dr. Daniel Kantor, who treats MS patients and others with neurological conditions near Jacksonville, Florida.

He's correct. I get a $1250 infusion (Tysabri) for MS every month, and that's only one medication. Doesn't add up to $62,000, but still...

Jesus Christ: You can’t impeach Him and He ain’t going to resign.



10 posted on 02/16/2014 1:04:57 AM PST by rdb3 (Get out the putter, this one's on the green.)
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The true goal of ObamCare was to give politicians control and a mechanism of coercion to assert that control.

If you control peoples health care you control a major facet of their lives. If you control peoples health care you can coerce them to vote for politicians who dole out the medicine

To do this medical costs must be contained to keep the system from collapse to maintain that control.

Because of this, people with expensive chronic conditions cannot be provided with long term expensive treatments.

These people with chronic conditions must therefore be kicked to the curb, which will not make the sick person and their families very happy.

Unhappy people with horrible chronic diseases make for great sob stories that provide bad press for politicians and unhappy people with nothing to lose do not vote for politicians who control medical care so it is in the interests of the politicians that these chronic patient die as quickly as possible before they become a political liability.

This one reason euthanasia is so popular in Socialist societies. Of course the fact that Socialist societies are so depressing and degrading that even young and healthy people often choose suicide dose not make things better.

13 posted on 02/16/2014 2:54:39 AM PST by rdcbn
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If you like your life saving drugs, you can keep your life saving drugs.


14 posted on 02/16/2014 3:12:45 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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The only way ObamaCare could save money would be to kill those that liberals consider undesirable instead of treating them. It looks like Obama has a chance to keep his promise about saving money. My guess is that ObamaCare will cost more in addition to killing those without connections, but there is some chance that BHO will finally keep a promise.


15 posted on 02/16/2014 3:16:12 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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We have Obama on tape telling a woman we should kill her old white mother.


16 posted on 02/16/2014 3:37:16 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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You just have to have the right disease, that’s all. One that is politically correct like AIDS.


17 posted on 02/16/2014 4:03:33 AM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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Obamabastard the Medical Plan killer.


18 posted on 02/16/2014 4:18:42 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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People with serious pre-existing diseases, precisely those the president aimed to help kill off with ObamaCare...

Fixed it.

20 posted on 02/16/2014 4:38:45 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. E)
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A pharmacist told us one of my wife’s prescriptions was going to jump from $8 (generic) to $91 because of 0 Care yesterday! Talk about making your blood boil. Its not like my income hasn’t been slashed enough because of his economic policies and his devaluation of the dollar hasn’t caused food prices to rise like crazy. The man has no empathy for others whatsoever and is a narcissist Marxist from the pit of hell (there, now I feel better...: )


21 posted on 02/16/2014 4:44:41 AM PST by jsanders2001
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Under Obamadon’tcare, there are no preexisting conditions. There is equality (except for unions and they are more equal)

The unavailable drugs are equally unavailable to patients that are diagnosed after signing up.


22 posted on 02/16/2014 4:50:04 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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I hope a lot of former Obamacare supporters are kicking themselves good and hard now for being so dumb. Usually a bill like this has to at least give the appearance of helping for a few years before its deception is revealed.


23 posted on 02/16/2014 4:51:36 AM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be earned and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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REMINDER: Lock-stepping Democrats voted for all of this: (1) throwing you off your affordable health plans, (2) nationalizing 1/16 of the US economy, (3) abandoning the chronically ill, (4) IPAB's (Death Panels), and, (5) decimating intergenerational transfers of wealth.

BACKSTORY As far back as 2008, at the presidential debate in Nashville, Democrat candidate Obama smilingly campaigned on the glories of his signature healthcare plan---ultimately enacted, by an historic straight Democrat party-line vote, into the "Affordable Care Act"

QUOTING 2008 OBAMA: "No. 1, let me just repeat, if you’ve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it. All I’m going to do is help you to lower the premiums on it. You’ll still have choice of doctor.” Repeated over and over ---- with the promise that every American family would be saving $2500.00 on healthcare costs.

Significantly, Obamba NEVER corrected lock-stepping Democrats, all reading from the same Democrat talking points, all of them repeating the same Democrat promises---over and over again.

LOCK-STEPPING PARTY LOYALTY NOT SEEN SINCE 1930- 40's ERA EUROPE Obama And The Dems marched in lockstep. The persistent Dumbocrat drumbeat ---- in obeisance to Obama ---- kept ringing reassuringly in our ears: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."

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Ominous cogs in the Obamacare meat grinder----the inexorable forcing of Grandma/pa onto Medicaid--(like cattle herded single-file onto the narrow ramp---knowing the bolt is coming---but not able to do a thing about it). Medicaid conveniently groups together the sick and elderly---as Obama's IPAB board of radicals sit in judgment. Boobamba's Orwellian-speak---the progressive way of saying "Obamacare keeps costs down."

The infamous "Death Panels---are alive and well----but they're not called death panels......for obvious reasons. The treacherous Obama euphemistically calls his death panel "I-PAB----Individual Payment Advisory Board." I-PAB decides what to pay and who to pay---thus rationing medical care to sick oldsters. Obamacare "allows" states to expand their Medicaid recipients pool. Under Obamacare, Washington now covers about 1/2 the cost of Medicaid enrollees.

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What is I-PAB?

When you find out about IPAB, you will not believe it - but it’s r-e-a-l.... a new type of government agency. IPAB (Independent Payment Advisory Board) is the first agency of the “fifth branch” of govt.

1) It will make all important health care decisions by authorizing payment or not.
2) It is not funded by Congress and cannot have its budget reviewed or changed.
3) Its membership cannot be changed by future Presidents,
4) It cannot be repealed by Congress, except for a six month window in 2017.
5) Its decisions are not subject to judicial review.
6) It is not authorized by the Constitution, and is therefore immune to Constitutional processes.

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Why is Obamacre herding seniors WITH ASSETS onto Medicaid---a program structured for the poor? Can you say redistribution of wealth? Herding the elderly with assets into Medicaid has ominous consequences that are intriguing to the left. B/c assets, perhaps a home owned free and clear, securities, annuities, investment property, can be seized to pay for govt treatment.

Thus intergenerational transfers of wealth (a longtime progressive bugaboo)----are decimated (grandma/pa's holdings go to the govt---not to you).

27 posted on 02/16/2014 5:37:26 AM PST by Liz
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FACTS ON FILE --- Democrats' O/Care protection racket up close.

<><> Obama has issued alnost 30 executive orders to unilaterally change his precious healthcare law.

<><> The Republican House majority has passed over 30 different bills amending or replacing O/Care.

<><> Sen Harry Reid is the roadblock preventing O/Care amendments from reaching the lock-stepping Democrat-controlled US Senate.

28 posted on 02/16/2014 5:43:31 AM PST by Liz
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ObamaCARE is about taking MONEY, not about
providing healthcare.

That is why it is ONLY for non-Muslims, and the non-EXEMPT.


29 posted on 02/16/2014 6:27:23 AM PST by Diogenesis
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ObamaCare = Death


31 posted on 02/16/2014 7:36:08 AM PST by Vaduz
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Dr. Scott Gottlieb of the American Enterprise Institute explains,"if the medicine that you need isn't on that list, it's not covered at all. You have to pay completely out of pocket to get that medicine, and the money you spend doesn't count against your deductible, and it doesn't count against your out of pocket limits, so you're basically on your own."

Democrat donors' products get on the list, and Republican donors' products do not, how much you want to bet?

32 posted on 02/16/2014 7:40:45 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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