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GOP War on Conservatives Backfires
breitbart.com ^ | 2/2/14 | Mike Flynn

Posted on 02/03/2014 8:57:59 AM PST by cotton1706

On Friday, every political campaign had to file its 2013 year end report with the FEC. The reports delivered two big surprises. The Democrats are dominating the Republicans in fundraising. More surprising, perhaps, though, is that Tea Party and conservative SuperPACs raised around three times as much as GOP establishment SuperPACs. The DC GOP may have started the war against the Tea Party, but it won't finish it.

Not long after their stunning losses in 2012, Karl Rove and other establishment Republicans announced a new effort to engage in primaries to ensure the "right" candidates got the party's nomination. Rove and the party leadership argued that the party lost because of "flawed", i.e. too conservative, candidates. There were indeed some flawed candidates in 2012, but far more establishment, "electable" candidates went down to uninspiring defeat.

The GOP attack on the Tea Party came about for two reasons. The first was to deflect from the massive defeat suffered by Rove and other GOP consultants. Rarely in the history of mankind have so many resources been squandered so spectacularly. Perhaps the more important reason, though, is that the Tea Party movement is becoming a serious thorn in the side of Washington insiders.

The movement has effectively ended earmarks. It threatens any corporatist giveaway. It calls out cronyism in both parties. It demands that Congress repeals ObamaCare, while business interests would rather "fix" the law to push the obligation for health benefits onto the government. More importantly, though, it wants rational immigration reform that doesn't simply flood the market with cheap labor as business would desire.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: defundkarlrove; defundreincepriebus; defundthernc; elections; karlrove; rnc; rove; tokyorove
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"Okay. So, while the country is fully understanding the failures of ObamaCare, the establishment GOP wants to pivot to an issue championed by President Obama and Chuck Schumer? Serious question: Are they trying to blow the midterms?

What is most fascinating about the FEC reports is that is almost no longer matters what the GOP does. There are new people in town. For the last four years they have had the grass-roots. Now, they also have the money."

1 posted on 02/03/2014 8:58:00 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Ho ho ho ho!

Apparently the Chamber of Commerce has a willing mouth, but the wallet is weak.


2 posted on 02/03/2014 8:59:32 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cotton1706

The biggest backfire will be when the GOP establishment is successful in fighting the Tea Party candidates in the primaries and expect the conservatives will have no option but to vote for GOP during the November election.

That will be when the conservatives stay home or the Tea Party introduces a third pary candidate.

The idiots like Boehner don’t believe this will happen.


3 posted on 02/03/2014 9:01:55 AM PST by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: cotton1706

Just keep the slogan alive: “We come to punish establishment Republicans in the primaries, and Democrats in the generals.”


4 posted on 02/03/2014 9:02:30 AM PST by struggle
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To: cotton1706

A previous thread stated Rove’s 2013 fundraising was down 98 percent


5 posted on 02/03/2014 9:02:42 AM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Hey!, Hey!

HO!, HO!,

Karl R0ve

Has gotta GO!

(Power to the People!)

6 posted on 02/03/2014 9:02:46 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: cotton1706

***Perhaps the more important reason, though, is that the Tea Party movement is becoming a serious thorn in the side of Washington insiders.***

Cream eventually rises to the top. Sorry Karl - you and the GOPe are not only through, you’re finished.


7 posted on 02/03/2014 9:04:16 AM PST by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: cotton1706

I never got too excited about earmarks. Spending is spending.


8 posted on 02/03/2014 9:05:56 AM PST by DManA
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To: Paladin2

Right on!


9 posted on 02/03/2014 9:05:57 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Yep. The gloves are off. We supported their candidates at the top of the ticket in 2012 and 2008. We see what they gave us in return.

Democrats are, by and large, robotic morons who vote for whomever the party leadership dictates. We are not.

10 posted on 02/03/2014 9:07:18 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: cotton1706

Gee....I know any rancher/farmer knows how to castrate an animal.....here’s a ponderment....eggsackly how do we put a pair of cojones back on these RINOS?


11 posted on 02/03/2014 9:08:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: bestintxas

Frankly, the only way that I see any GOP Establishment RINO winning any primary race is IF real Conservatives allow that to happen.

It is our DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to see that the Incumbent Establishment Pukes are tossed out of office on their keisters with extreme prejudice.


12 posted on 02/03/2014 9:09:35 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: DManA

“I never got too excited about earmarks. Spending is spending.”

Yes, that’s true, but earmarks were used as specific payoffs. And they have to go through a lot more hoops now than they used to.


13 posted on 02/03/2014 9:10:43 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Vigilanteman
Yep. The gloves are off. We supported their candidates at the top of the ticket in 2012 and 2008. We see what they gave us in return.

To my everlasting shame I held my nose and voted for McCain — however, I also promised myself that I would never vote against the other guy again.
So, when Romney was pushed on us in 2012, I voted for the Libertarian candidate (my State's former governor) Gary Johnson — and I have to say it feels great that I didn't compromise myself voting for Romney.

14 posted on 02/03/2014 9:12:27 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: cotton1706
Yes, that’s true, but earmarks were used as specific payoffs. And they have to go through a lot more hoops now than they used to.

Yup, its a small victory , but a victory nonetheless. It took over 100 years for the system to get this corrupt, it'll probably take at least that long to fix it, but we have to start.

15 posted on 02/03/2014 9:15:44 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: bestintxas

“The biggest backfire will be when the GOP establishment is successful in fighting the Tea Party candidates in the primaries and expect the conservatives will have no option but to vote for GOP during the November election.”

Your post bears repeating. The dollar figures that are now being reported are definitely going to get the attention of the GOPe. Combine that with your post and you will, albeit belatedly, start to see some questioning of Rove and other political consultants. They should have been purged after the 2012 debacle—but no, they just clenched onto their desk chairs even harder. They have to go.


16 posted on 02/03/2014 9:15:51 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: OneWingedShark

You’ll likely get some flame.

The other likelihood is that there will be many more, near a totality, of conservatives who will not vote for Romney or Jeb or Boardwalk Boy in the next election.

Not after watching ryan’s antics last month and such activities to follow.


17 posted on 02/03/2014 9:19:00 AM PST by stanne
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To: cotton1706

I think its time to give a few more $’s to Tea Party Patriots. I want to see that gap between my team and the GOPe team grow wider. And, I definitely want to swamp the Dem $ machine. Go Americans!

Maybe time to give a few more $’s to the NRA, too. They have been the one most successful conservative organization since 2012 despite intense opposition and attacks. They are an example of how to succeed under pressure.


18 posted on 02/03/2014 9:19:49 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: cotton1706

The conventional wisdom used to be that Rove engineered GWB’s sliver-thin victories. The view was that he was a genius. It’s becoming clear that he was just lucky.


19 posted on 02/03/2014 9:20:11 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: bestintxas
Exactly right. Bohner, Rove, Cantor, et. al., all are deeply convinced that once the nominating process is completed Conservatives will simply line up and vote for the Republican nominee because they have no where else to go.

1) That millions stayed home rather than vote for Mitt Romney should put that canard to rest.

2) I have never before seen such determination on the part of Conservatives to prove their point in 2014 & 2016 to the GOP-e. What has changed is that the shame of admitting to sitting out an election is now gone if the purpose is to send a message to the GOP-e. The willingness to do so is high, and after 8 years of Obama and a weak Republican opposition, what's to lose now?

3) The fund-raising disparity ought to be the canary in the coal mine for the GOP-e. Bohner, Preibus, McConnell and the other conservative back stabbers need to see the writing on the wall.

20 posted on 02/03/2014 9:20:21 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: struggle

Just keep the slogan alive: “We come to punish establishment Republicans in the primaries, and Democrats in the generals.”


Your slogan died when Romney lost and the GOPe ramped up their attacks on conservatives.

The new one slogan is: “GOP, if you want the support of conservatives uphold your sworn duties and defend our Constitutional rights against attacks from all enemies foreign and domestic” So far it’s been pretty much fail across the board on that account.

So don’t be surprised when many conservatives take a powder in November if no conservative is on the ballot. If the GOP can’t be bothered to be an engaged opposition party with a rampaging marxist in the WH there is simply no reason to support them. See in you 2016, FRiend.


21 posted on 02/03/2014 9:20:27 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Apparently the Chamber of Commerce has a willing mouth, but the wallet is weak.


It’s more likely they are spreading the wealth around to Dems. Nobody likes losers and that is what the GOP has been doing lately.


22 posted on 02/03/2014 9:21:51 AM PST by lodi90
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To: cotton1706

Big donors will see this data and trend. Some will start shifting support to Tea Party organizations. We must keep fighting. Never let your opponent get a break till that opponent is irretrievably defeated.


23 posted on 02/03/2014 9:23:20 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Zhang Fei

“The conventional wisdom used to be that Rove engineered GWB’s sliver-thin victories. The view was that he was a genius. It’s becoming clear that he was just lucky.”

I think at that time, Rove did indeed have his finger on the pulse of the country, and was able to make the most of that by dialing down those elections to the extreme local level to achieve those (slight) victories.

But he has since lost that connection, and with it, his influence.


24 posted on 02/03/2014 9:25:12 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Beware of Republican incumbents bearing roses.


25 posted on 02/03/2014 9:25:30 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: iacovatx

The establishment republicans have already played the third party card in Alaska, (Murkowski), and Florida, (Crist). If they think we are afraid to play that card because it will split the vote, and give the win to the Dems, that didn’t happen in either case.


26 posted on 02/03/2014 9:25:46 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: cotton1706
On a National race level - All the money in the world won't matter if the GOP anoints and gets behind their "chosen one" (IE Romney or Christie) and we conservatives form the normal circular shooting squad of 8 or 9 candidates.

To win we need to come together very early on one sound conservative Tea Party candidate! Only then will there be any chance of avoiding the 2008/2012 fiascos.

Romney laughed his ass off in 2012 while conservatives split their votes and allowed him to waltz to the nomination.

27 posted on 02/03/2014 9:26:11 AM PST by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: bestintxas
"The biggest backfire will be when the GOP establishment is successful in fighting the Tea Party candidates in the primaries and expect the conservatives will have no option but to vote for GOP during the November election.

That will be when the conservatives stay home or the Tea Party introduces a third pary candidate.

The idiots like Boehner don’t believe this will happen."

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It already happened with Mitt.

And there are still %@#$#%@%@$'s on good ol FR calling us unpatriotic traitors because we couldn't and wouldn't violate our principles and vote for a career long flaming liberal who suddenly claimed to miraculously have turned conservative overnight.

&#^$ them.

28 posted on 02/03/2014 9:28:53 AM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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To: cotton1706

Time for us Bitter Clingers to take it to both the Democrats and the GOP-e.


29 posted on 02/03/2014 9:29:38 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: lodi90
Your slogan died when Romney lost and the GOPe ramped up their attacks on conservatives.

It's a given that when conservatives attack moderates, they will reply in kind. Ultimately, the real battle has nothing to do with ideological hair-splitting, and everything to do with the purple states, where a big chunk of the middle (union members, blue collar workers and lower end office workers typically) see the GOP as the party of plutocrats stomping on the middle class by championing unlimited outsourcing (via free trade agreements) and open borders. No amount of pro-life rhetoric and anti-gay marriage posturing will fix that perception problem.

30 posted on 02/03/2014 9:32:25 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
‘The conventional wisdom used to be that Rove engineered GWB’s sliver-thin victories. The view was that he was a genius. ‘

In 2004 Rove tried his best to cooperate with Kerry and the donkeys to sabotage and squelch the Swift Boat Veterans. Official Washington was in a state of boiling rage over the plebeians increasing success in showing that Kerry new clothes were invisible and that he was a fraud and a probable traitor. This strikes at the heart of the incredibly narcissistic mentality of official Washington where the people who have bribed and maneuvered their way to the top are far to important and dignified and splendid to ever brook any direct criticism or truly negative comment. Bush never thank the Swift Boat people and treated them like s-it on his shoe. Rove and Daddy Bush kept up an endless barrage of vitriol against these people to G W. The reason is simple, these were outsiders and they were effectively impacting what is supposed to be a closed system run by and for the political class. Rove and his ilk would rather lose every election than damage the political class in anyway. That is the secret masonry of the Beltway Insiders at work.

31 posted on 02/03/2014 9:35:08 AM PST by robowombat
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To: bestintxas
The idiots like Boehner don't believe this will happen(ie: constitutional conservatives refusing to vote for RINO slime)

I don't think they care. They'd rather lose to dems than to cede power to constitutional conservatives. They've got a real good gig going as the minority party to be paid off for votes.

32 posted on 02/03/2014 9:35:50 AM PST by grania
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To: cotton1706
I think at that time, Rove did indeed have his finger on the pulse of the country, and was able to make the most of that by dialing down those elections to the extreme local level to achieve those (slight) victories. But he has since lost that connection, and with it, his influence.

If the first were true, GWB would have won landslide victories. Even in the 80's, amnesty was so toxic, the most popular GOP president of the 20th century, RWR, waited until his second term to push for it. For Rove to push for it, after the political debacle that was Iraq had started affecting Bush's poll ratings, was idiotic in the extreme.

33 posted on 02/03/2014 9:42:27 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: stanne
You’ll likely get some flame.

You know what… that's ok.
I'd rather get flamed then have to admit voting for Romney. ;)

The other likelihood is that there will be many more, near a totality, of conservatives who will not vote for Romney or Jeb or Boardwalk Boy in the next election.

I hope so. I'm tired of the Texas Party* — all talk, banking on reputation and image/brand, and no real action.
(* Referencing Texas's gun-friendly image vs. the reality of its laws.)

34 posted on 02/03/2014 9:49:48 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Zhang Fei

It’s a given that when conservatives attack moderates, they will reply in kind. Ultimately, the real battle has nothing to do with ideological hair-splitting, and everything to do with the purple states, where a big chunk of the middle (union members, blue collar workers and lower end office workers typically) see the GOP as the party of plutocrats stomping on the middle class by championing unlimited outsourcing (via free trade agreements) and open borders. No amount of pro-life rhetoric and anti-gay marriage posturing will fix that perception problem.


Pushing amnesty and playing bystander to history isn’t going to put purple states in the GOP column.

Romney ran a timid campaign and lost. Then the GOP establishment put out that stupid autopsy and went hard left. They just can’t be bothered to engage the Dems. Preemptive surrender across the board. Zero substantive engagement on the IRS assaults, blank check funding of Obamacare, cutting vet pay and on and on. It’s been a non stop horror show from beltway “Republicans” since Romney lost.

All of this has nothing to do with social issues. I have no idea where you pulled that out of.


35 posted on 02/03/2014 9:51:02 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Zhang Fei

“If the first were true, GWB would have won landslide victories.”

You may be right. But my impression at the time and now, is that the American electorate was very evenly balanced in 2000, and then again in 2004. Then there was a very well choreographed swing to the democrats in 2006 and 2008 and then the pendulum swung back hard in 2010. 2012 was a status quo election due to the moderate at the top of the republican ticket who refused to make the most of his political environment, and we have yet to see the results of 2014.


36 posted on 02/03/2014 9:51:14 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Apparently the Chamber of Commerce has a willing mouth, but the wallet is weak.”

It’s called “having an alligator mouth and a hummingbird a$$”


37 posted on 02/03/2014 9:52:04 AM PST by vette6387
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To: cotton1706; All
it seems (disappointly) the pubbies are earnestly
tying "to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory"
.... maybe the GOP/e have become no more than
Judas goats (and we're getting screwed "repeatedly").

38 posted on 02/03/2014 9:52:18 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: cotton1706
The GOPe has made itself an enemy of the party base. Even as the GOPe has told conservatives to suck it up and vote for the party's candidate, they refuse to do so when a conservative candidate succeeds. Even today, former Republican stalwarts are supporting democrats over conservative Republican candidates.

With Senate at Stake, Two Ex-GOP Senators Endorse Democrats

39 posted on 02/03/2014 9:53:28 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: cotton1706

“....no longer matters what the GOP does. There are new people in town. For the last four years they have had the grass-roots. Now, they also have the money.”
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That last line was my fave in the entire Article. “They have had the grass-roots. Now, they have the money” HELL YEAH!!!


40 posted on 02/03/2014 9:55:00 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: lodi90
Romney ran a timid campaign and lost.

He lost because of "47%" and his signed WSJ editorial against the Detroit bailout. He lost in the purple states. All the deep red states voted for him by landslide margins. FL probably went for Obama because there are a lot of union worker retirees living there. I understand why he de-emphasized Benghazi. Nobody sees al Qaeda being anywhere near the threat that the Soviets were, and for good reason.

41 posted on 02/03/2014 10:00:20 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: cotton1706

Look for “scorched earth” policies from the GOPe because they are liberals at heart with the same sense of orthodoxy.


42 posted on 02/03/2014 10:00:36 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: iacovatx

“I think its time to give a few more $’s to Tea Party Patriots”

Just logged in and made another $100 to them.

thx for reminder


43 posted on 02/03/2014 10:01:14 AM PST by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: newfreep; All

This Article, and others like it, prove just how much Conservatives used to give to the RNC and GOPe PACs. When Conservatives stopped giving to the like of the RNC and Karl Rove, their finances started drying up. That proves that Liberals only spend other people’s money; not their own. Karl Rove, Mitch McConnell, John McCain et.al. did not realize that it was Conservatives who have carried the GOP financially all these years. Well, wake up and smell the coffee RINOs.

OK folks, is my assessment on this right or wrong? Anybody???


44 posted on 02/03/2014 10:02:41 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: Din Maker

“That last line was my fave in the entire Article. “They have had the grass-roots. Now, they have the money” HELL YEAH!!!”

Mine too!!


45 posted on 02/03/2014 10:05:46 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

bkmk


46 posted on 02/03/2014 10:06:00 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: robowombat
"Rove and his ilk would rather lose every election
than damage the political class in anyway."
very succulent, very likely true.

47 posted on 02/03/2014 10:08:13 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Howie66; All

Frankly, the only way that I see any GOP Establishment RINO winning any primary race is IF real Conservatives allow that to happen.
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NOT SO!!! I’m doing all I can to get John Cornyn defeated down here in Texas but he is actively running ads on radio and TV. Yesterday I got a mail-out from so-called, “Texas Conservative Republicans” with all my info printed out on an application to get a mail in ballot. They had a sample ballot and Cornyn was checked at the “most Conservative” and best candidate for the U.S. Senate. His opponents apparently don’t have the money to mount a decent challenge. Steve Stockman is “threatening” to file Impeachment proceedings against Obama. All we have are Stockman’s antics and no real fight agains Cornhole by the challengers, and the Primary is only a month away. So, if Cornhole wins, don’t say it’s because this “real” Conservative allowed it to happen..... THAT WILL NOT BE THE CASE AT ALL!!! It might be because his opponents did not have the money or the heart for the fight.


48 posted on 02/03/2014 10:14:12 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: bestintxas

No! We can’t let the GOPe candidates win the primaries. We will turn out and vote OUR conservatives in! Let the GOPe see how they like it.


49 posted on 02/03/2014 10:14:25 AM PST by jch10 (John Beohner has got to be removed from the Speaker position.)
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To: Zhang Fei

FL probably went for Obama because there are a lot of union worker retirees living there.
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But then again, probably not. It’s because there are a ton of Hispanic and minority voters in FL and the GOP has not figured out how to tap into that huge voting block. We may never carry FL again.


50 posted on 02/03/2014 10:18:24 AM PST by Din Maker
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