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The idea that the legislature is concerned about stable financing and the impact on the economy is laughable. They have enacted program after program in this state only to watch the costs for each skyrocket.

Single payer is going to happen in VT come hell or high water. The liberals have far too much invested politically to stop now. There will be some perfunctory discussion about the loss of jobs but that is all.

Pray for those of us behind the maple curtain.

1 posted on 01/17/2014 3:12:34 PM PST by Straight Vermonter
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To: Straight Vermonter
Fine, let Vermont experiment with SP if other states can experiment with free market solutions to health care and see what works.

But that's not going to happen.

2 posted on 01/17/2014 3:24:22 PM PST by AU72
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To: Straight Vermonter

13% would become 15% and then 17% while care gets more and more restricted


5 posted on 01/17/2014 3:53:53 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Tomorrow I tap my big maple tree........

East Tennessee Maple syrup......... Yummmm

Best in the world. Southern photons yield greater maple biomass and sweeter syrup


7 posted on 01/17/2014 3:58:14 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Straight Vermonter

How much of Vermonts revenue comes from tourism? Anyone know.

I realize they have a few colleges up there to support those communities and that the place is getting about as liberal as one place could get, but other than skiing and college, what else is up there?

Be interesting to see how expensive lift tickets, etc are going to become when all these costs are passed off to the tourists and those that have vacation homes up there.


8 posted on 01/17/2014 4:31:15 PM PST by qaz123
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So only those working pay for everyone. That’s nice.


9 posted on 01/17/2014 4:38:21 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Not wasting any of my prayer time on Vermont. The best I can do for you is to send ammunition. You’ve got some people there who are so damdumb that killing might be their only cure. If they refuse re-education in business and math then your choices are limited. At a minimum the outlined proposal will accelerate the underground economy like nothing else imagined. Then you can watch jobs leave the state on the imagined bullet train I’m sure the same geniuses would no doubt love to have-—the one that connects them to Nirvana-—or maybe Greece.


11 posted on 01/17/2014 4:54:23 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Good incentive for employers not to hire anybody.


12 posted on 01/17/2014 4:55:37 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

“Galbraith proposes an 11 percent tax on employer payroll and a 2 percent rate for employees. Self-employed would pay both ends and the self-insured would not be exempted”

Good gravy!

In all seriousness, it would probably be cheaper to just create a medical tourism fund to fly people down to Panama or one of the other countries with for-profit hospitals catering to westerners with hard currency. Great care and low prices - everything Vt’s plan won’t offer!


15 posted on 01/17/2014 5:05:43 PM PST by DemforBush (Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream?)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Years ago, the communists from Ct, Ma, NY, NJ, etc. moved North to escape their local Gulags .... but somehow, wherever they went ... they brought themselves along.


18 posted on 01/17/2014 5:53:24 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (It's difficult to differentiate between a hog calling contest and a Senate rollcall.)
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It is hard to see how a 13% tax rate will raise sufficient funds. According to census data Vermont has a median household income of $54,168 with an average of 2.34 people per household.

According to Vermont's health insurance exchange, Bronze plans for a couple are $672 a month, and for a parent and child, $648 per month. A single person's premium is $336 per month.

So a typical household of two people will pay around $8000 per year for health insurance, most of which ends up paying for medical care somewhere. But the proposed 13% payroll tax only ends up generating $7041 for the median household, leaving the state fund short by $1000 per household for households at the median, and the deficit grows for households below the median income.

The scheme simply isn't viable, since the benefits delivered are the same regardless of how much a household earns. Employers may benefit, since they get to limit their costs of offering health insurance to their workers to 11% of the worker's salary, but it is unlikely that the overall approach will work.

20 posted on 01/17/2014 6:41:01 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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Another way to see if the plan has a chance of success is to divide the supposed budget - 1.6 to 2 billion dollars, by the population of Vermont, which is about 626,000 people.

The result provides an average spending per person, which related to what insurance costs typically are since insurance companies have to set premiums based on expected costs.

At the low end, the state expects an average spending per person of $2555, at the high end $3194 per person. But the lowest level of insurance coverage offered now in Vermont costs $336 per month, or $4032 per year. Again, the proposed budgets seem insufficient to deliver medical care of the sort people are used to.

21 posted on 01/17/2014 6:48:38 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Straight Vermonter

Remember the free state movement?

Looks like it didn’t work out so well.


23 posted on 01/17/2014 7:02:44 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Absolutely insane. Vt taxes are already the highest per capita in the country.


25 posted on 01/17/2014 8:12:10 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
The move would not have a net negative impact on the economy

The people that think a sudden 13% payroll tax will have no negative impact on the economy are the very same people that think plant food increasing 0.01% of the atmosphere over 100 years will cause the sky to fall.

34 posted on 01/18/2014 6:12:46 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Straight Vermonter

The U-Haul companies will be very busy helping people flee Vermont.


35 posted on 01/18/2014 6:18:57 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Straight Vermonter
why is it that the WORKERS specifically the non govt workers always are the ones taxed?....when its the drug and alcohol sloths, the elderly, the illegal, the bums and hobos, etc who TAKE most of all the benefits?

tax every single person in Vermont....tax every single one....why leave the rich elderly out of it and why grant free benefits to those who don't do a damn thing......

52 posted on 01/19/2014 6:59:27 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Galbraith proposes an 11 percent tax on employer payroll and a 2 percent rate for employees.

Employees would pay the full 13%.

They just won't realize it because of dishonest politicians.

53 posted on 01/20/2014 6:46:19 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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bookmarking...


55 posted on 02/23/2014 5:08:39 AM PST by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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