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US Dec. nonfarm payrolls total 74,000 vs. 200,000 est.; unemployment rate at 6.7% vs. 7% est.
CNBC ^ | January 10, 2014 | Jeff Cox

Posted on 01/10/2014 5:42:52 AM PST by John W

Job creation stumbled in December, with the U.S. economy adding just 74,000 positions even as the Federal Reserve voted to take the first steps in eliminating its stimulus program.

The unemployment rate dropped to 6.7 percent, below economist estimates and due primarily to continued shrinkage in the labor force. The labor force participation rate tumbled to 62.8 percent, its worst level since January 1978.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: employment; jimmycartertime; jobs; obamarecession; recession; unemployment
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To: Cheerio

You do realize there is a huge difference between the “FED” (monetary) and “GOV” (fiscal) policies right?

On the “FED” issue, increasing the money supply (QE is the mechanism) is not, in and of itself, inflationary.

I won’t disagree on the “GOV” fiscal side.


81 posted on 01/10/2014 8:12:27 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: kabar

It will be an issue if the Debt to GDP % doesn’t start coming down faster. The way to do that is to grow GDP. The answer to all of our issues is that we need more robust growth.


82 posted on 01/10/2014 8:18:08 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: John W

I believe every agency of the Federal Govt is issuing bogus numbers in support of this evil President and his party.

Even the bad numbers are lies


83 posted on 01/10/2014 8:32:55 AM PST by Friendofgeorge ( Palin 2016 or bust)
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To: John W

What? No trickle down? Too much debt, too much Gov’t.


84 posted on 01/10/2014 8:40:49 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: MrB
Just arbitrarily reduce the denominator until you get the stats you want.

Should conservatives ever take control again big gov will unwind the fudging by increasing the unemployment rate as the number of net hires grows to 400,000/month.

85 posted on 01/10/2014 8:41:01 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Wyatt's Torch
The debt to GDP is going in the wrong direction when you include the entitlement programs, the main drivers of our spending and debt. They are running on automatic pilot and they are unsustainable. They will consume the entire federal budget if not reformed.

Obamacare, another entitlement program, will add to the costs. And with 10,000 baby boomers retiring daily for the next 20 years, doubling the population of those over 65 by 2030 when one in five will be over 65, there is no way we grow ourselves out of this problem.

Does the Fed really have a ‘hidden agenda’ to hide the cost of US debt?

The Drudge Report links to a CNBC.com piece entitled “The Fed’s ‘hidden agenda’ behind money-printing.” The article’s claim: Although the Fed justifies its bond buying program — also known as quantitative easing — as a way to boost economic growth, there’s more to the story. The Fed’s “hidden agenda,” apparently, is the suppression of interest rates so Uncle Sam can more easily finance and afford its growing national debt:

I believe that one of the most important reasons the Fed is determined to keep interest rates low is one that is rarely talked about, and which comprises a dark economic foreboding that should frighten us all. … Thanks to the Fed, the interest rate paid on our national debt is at an historic low of 2.4 percent, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Given the U.S.’s huge accumulated deficit, this low interest rate is important to keep debt servicing costs down.

The piece goes to explore a scenario where US interest rates return to their 20 year average of 5.7%. If the federal government were to pay an average interest rate of 5.7% on its debt versus the 2.4% we pay today, debt service cost in 2020 would be about $930 billion. Here is the kicker: 85% of all personal income taxes collected would go to servicing the debt. And who knows, maybe rates will go even higher “as a result of the massive QE exercise of printing money at an unprecedented rate. We just don’t know what the effect of all this will be but many economists warn that it can only result in inflation down the road.”

86 posted on 01/10/2014 8:48:47 AM PST by kabar
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To: ilgipper

The numbers, like the homo %age of the pop, the inflation rate, are to influence the stupid. Period. You can not trust anything this bunch says about anything. Period.


87 posted on 01/10/2014 9:12:08 AM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Truth29

Personally, I am looking for my Jimma Carter sweater and turning down my thermostat so I can save the country from Al Gore. I have bought a new cookbook ‘101 Ways to Cook Beans’ and I figure it will come in handy very soon. Face facts folks, the Commies lie all the time. As the scorpion said to the rabbit, ‘Its just my nature.’


88 posted on 01/10/2014 9:19:19 AM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: kabar

pretty remarkable 70% of new hires are part time.

pretty sure 99% of those are less than 30 hours a week
(for reasons all mysterious to the MSM)


89 posted on 01/10/2014 9:21:50 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Like Mark Udall leaning on gubmint bureacrats to ‘adjust’ their number of people thrown off their insurance from 250k to 200k.

With all your IRS and healthcare info, who knows what they’re capable of to insure compliance to their ‘suggestions’.


90 posted on 01/10/2014 9:24:35 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: John W

I hear the Soylent Green factory is hiring...


91 posted on 01/10/2014 9:27:14 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

It looks like a stock chart with a massive head and shoulders top.

Boomers retiring plus the young folk working under the table probably explains it and it probably has a lot further to go.


92 posted on 01/10/2014 9:31:06 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Sorry to confuse the post with lazy terminology - yes I do know the difference.

Not sure I agree that printing more and more fiat money is NOT inflationary.
93 posted on 01/10/2014 9:33:31 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: John W
Proof that the President has NO CLUE on how to truly revive the US economy. How about simplified business regulations and especially a much-simplified income tax code (or better yet, ditch the income tax in favor of something like FairTax)?
94 posted on 01/10/2014 9:42:58 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

- Official 1978 Jimmy Carter sweaters now on sale….


95 posted on 01/10/2014 9:57:08 AM PST by devolve ("He's just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." "Barry of Bungle" "Homo Electus")
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To: Cheerio

In and of itself “printing” money is not inflationary. It can be if it is out of balance with monetary demand. Looking at monetary velocity as a proxy for demand there is still tremendous demand for money. Without providing that supply we would be in a massive deflationary cycle.


96 posted on 01/10/2014 10:45:42 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Yet it is the QE that is causing much of the trouble. If we had an improved tax and regulatory environment (i.e. pro-growth policies) then QE would not be so bad.

Instead, QE is like piling fuel on the fire. You know all that debt will be paid back in taxes, inflation or both. A wrong policy from the start isn’t going to make things better, at least not for main street.


97 posted on 01/10/2014 10:46:15 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

QE is simply the mechanism for supplying liquidity demanded by the market (look at the velocity charts). The Fed is purchasing debt for sale in the market. They are not buying debt that wasn’t being issued anyway.

I would say that if, as you mention, the tax and regulatory environment were better, we wouldn’t need the QE to this extent. The QE has helped to partially offset the damage the tax and regulatory environment.


98 posted on 01/10/2014 10:51:22 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

I agree with your summary. I think we are in a very modest recovery...fueled in large part by printed money, and tempered by a government that is crushing the potential for a robust recovery...both with current decisions (past 5 years) and decades of overspending and future spending commitments we can not afford.


99 posted on 01/10/2014 11:16:45 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

OK...I’m stealing that for my Facebook page


100 posted on 01/10/2014 12:00:36 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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