Neal Boortz, Libertarianism, and Moral Government -- Somebody's morality is going to govern us.

American Thinker ^ | 12/30/2013 | Trevor Thomas

[itsahoot]

You attempt to connect Libertarianism, even in an offhand manner, with perversion.

Look here and learn, what you defend.

[Responsibility2nd]

 

What we have from the LIBERALTARIANS is "legislating morality" is bad... but "legislating immorality" is ok.

"You can't legislate morality" is one of the great lies of our times. We have been legislating morality for hundreds of years, "Thou shall not murder" "Thou shall not steal" etc...

I'm just now coming across this article. Not only is the criticism of Boortz and liberals spot on, but the FR comments are worth reading as well.

By the way.. A belated Merry Christmas to all and may 2014 be a Great New Year!

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[trisham]

Excellent article.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

[Terry L Smith]

Thank you for your input.

[Albion Wilde]

Gotta Serve Somebody
from The Essential Bob Dylan

You may be an ambassador to England or France
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world
You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody

You might be a rock n' roll addict, prancin' on the stage
You might have drugs at your command, women in a cage
You may be a business man or some high degree thief
They may call you doctor or they may call you chief

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes you're
You're gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody

You may be a state trooper, you might be a young turkv You may be the head of some big TV network
You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame
You may be livin' in another country under another name

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes you're
You're gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody

You may be a construction worker workin' on a home
You might be livin' in a mansion, you might live in a dome
You might own guns and you might even own tanks
You might be somebody's landlord, you might even own banks

But you're gonna have to serve somebody
Yes you're gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride
You may be a city councilman takin' bribes on the side
You may be workin' in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair
You may be somebody's mistress, may be somebody's heir

But you're gonna have to serve somebody
Yes you're gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk
Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk
You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread
You may be sleepin' on the floor, sleepin' in a king-sized bed

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody

You may call me Terry, you may call me Timmy
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray
You may call me anything, no matter what you say

You're still gonna have to serve somebody
Yes you're gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody

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[Gene Eric]

>> Libertarianism my not itself be perverse, but it allows perversion to flourish

Unlike the statism we have today. /s

[Albion Wilde]

It is a long-held myth, typically perpetuated by self-described liberals in the mainstream media but also by self-described libertarians, that whenever the moral issues are prominent in elections, conservatives lose. As I have noted before, Jeffrey Bell in his book The Case for Polarized Politics helps dispel this myth.

"Social issues were nonexistent in the period 1932 to 1964," notes Bell. "The Republican Party won two presidential elections out of nine, and they had the Congress for all of four years in that entire period... When social issues came into the mix... from the 1968 election... the Republican Party won seven out of 11 presidential elections."

Bell concludes... that American social conservatism began in response to the sexual revolution of the 1960s. Thus, it is unsurprising that all of the most significant "social" issues in America today are sexual issues. Abortion, homosexuality, marriage, contraception, and [not] merely because they relate to people's personal lives [but] because they reside deep within the moral realm of our culture.

Whether liberals or libertarians care to admit it, somebody's morality is going to govern us. Libertarians would do well to examine America's history before ranting about the morality of today's [Christian] conservatives. Like our founders, most conservatives today understand well that religion (especially Christianity) is an indispensible tenet of liberty.

(bold emphasis mine)

[Albion Wilde]

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

—John Adams

[CitizenUSA]

As you wrote, laws against murder legislate morality, and society has legislated morality for a very long time. It isn’t whether or not morality will be legislated. It’s about whose morality wins out.

I’d argue that Judeo-Christian morality has brought far, far more good to Western Civilization than the pagan crap that now claims to be progressive. The immoral left isn’t advancing or progressing. It’s attempting to return us to man’s barbaric, pagan past.

[CitizenUSA]

It’s like those on the right who want declare a truce in the culture wars. Uh. We didn’t start it. We aren’t constantly opening up new fronts, but we’re supposed to declare a truce? If we did do that, libertarians wouldn’t win out. They’d be crushed under a wave of government dependents who want Uncle Sam to protect them from the results of their sin!

[Colonel_Flagg]

After all, you can’t spell “Boortz” without “Booz.”

[CitizenUSA]

“No society has every survived it (libertarianism)...”

I’d argue libertarianism is an unworkable ideology like communism. Is there any record of a time in man’s history where each man did their own thing? If so, I’ve never heard of one.

It’s a given that people have to give up some liberty to join a civilization.

[CitizenUSA]

“Unlike the statism we have today./s”

And that is why conservatives are the true ideological moderates, seeking to find the right balance of government. We don’t see government as the solution to all problems, nor do we believe everything would be great if men were left alone to do what is right in their own minds. Some liberty must be sacrificed to live in a close knit, civilized world. I personally think the US Constitution as originally intended found the correct balance.

[roamer_1]

Yes, you can legislate morality, or the lack thereof.

I would submit that law in a general sense, is a fixture of morality by it's very nature. There is a needful regulatory aspect (weights and measures, uniform standards, etc), but for the most part, laws are written to favor one behavior at the expense of another.

Laws are written for criminals. Defining criminality is what laws do, and in doing so, a moral position is defined. Thus, moral neutrality is an impossibility, and that is why strict libertarianism, without an informed ethical standard, does and must lead to anarchy. The very root of this country is informed by the Judeo-Christian Ethic. Two hundred years of law is written with that ethical standard in mind. It cannot be changed or replaced by another ethic. It can either stand or fail, and if it fails, the very institutions of governance will invariably crumble to the ground (as they are doing, even now). JUSTICE is destroyed.

"I sought for the key to the greatness of America in her harbors...; in her fertile fields and boundless forests; in her rich mines and vast world commerce; in her public school system and institutions of learning. I sought for it in her democratic Congress and in her matchless Constitution. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." -Alexis de Tocqueville


If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. -2 Chronicles 7:14

WAKE UP.
REPENT.

[RKBA Democrat]

Neal Boortz is a rude, arrogant putz. I’ve never listened to talk radio much, but his show was one that I went out of my way not to listen to. His retirement was a welcome one. It’s just a shame that he chose libertarianism as his philosophy to espouse. While I’m not a libertarian I think that libertarians deserved a far better spokesman than Neal Boortz.

As for his beliefs on social issues, I would simply note that nature abhors a vacuum. It’s not a question of whether morality will be legislated, it’s a question of whose morality (or lack thereof).

[snuffy smiff]

Indeed. I’ve never understood how any conservative could ever bother listening to this arrogant pro-abortion clown for more than two minutes.

[little jeremiah]

And that is the simple truth.

And if a person thinks “I’m independent, I don’t believe in God, I serve no one, I do what I want” - he is the slave of his mind, desires, and those who control what he craves. And when he has to pay the price for everything he’s done on his own account, he will realize just how wrong he was.

[Liberty Wins]

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798 John Adams

Notice the date. John Adams and the other Founders had an opportunity to see the horrifying violent result of the French Revolution, perpetuated by atheists.

[cycjec]

thanks for the post!

very quotable

However, I’m going to have to return to reading FR
in lynx, until *my* morality governs the ads on e.g.
American Thinker.

[GeronL]

bump