Posted on 12/29/2013 3:29:36 PM PST by Eleutheria5
There is no way to separate Judaism from the state of Israel, President Shimon Peres said Sunday. On a visit to the Machon Lev Jerusalem Technology College, Peres said that despite the efforts of secularists, Israel would always remain a Jewish state.
Peres addressed a question from a student who said that “in recent months we have seen an unparalleled attempt to defame the hareidi religious public, especially when it comes to serving in the IDF.” Did Peres believe that it was necessary to force hareidi religious yeshiva students into the army in order to get them into the workforce?
In response to the question, Peres said that throughout Jewish history, there were yeshivas and students studying in them. “It is out of the question that Israel would be the only place without yeshivas,” Peres said. “We have no choice but to bring hareidi and secular groups together to discuss how we will manage affairs in this country. It is illogical and impossible to say that we will have a secular state.”
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Oh don’t go overboard, he’s still trying to game people with that statement. Wait until the dust settles. He’ll prove it.
Throughout Jewish history, did the state support yeshiva students for their whole lives, or were students expected to balance study with earning their own living?
Well duh.
It’s more akin to a theonomy really, since Israel is designed upon the Word rather than a specific religious institution.
Exactly correct. Peres didn’t mean it the way an outsider might understand it.
There are many traditional Jews that only accept the State of Israel as a secular state, like the USA, except that a majority of its citizens happen to be Jews. Like the secular US government is forcing secularism on American Christians, Peres is one of the ringleaders forcing secularism on traditional Jews in the Land of Israel.
Calling it Christian or Jewish “values” doesn’t make it so.
Not exactly, because the State of Israel violates the Jewish religion all the time, and many non-Jews are citizens with full rights, including 20% Muslims. You can’t separate state and religion in Israel, just like you can’t go to a marriage counselor and talk about everything except sex. It’s a big part of the picture, and to pretend it is not is to be in denial. But it’s not the whole picture, either, anymore than sex is all that there is to a marriage.
Throughout Jewish history, we very often did not have a state. It’s been 2,000 years. We’re still working the kinks out of the system.
He already starts proving it in the paragraphs following my excerpt. That he got that far without saying anything I disagreed with is amazing, but hardly a reason to join his fan club.
Thanks JJotto. Agreed.
Peres is damaged goods. He’s Israel’s Carter. When he speaks, it’s a given it’s going to be a big negative for Israel. He should do the nation a favor and kick off.
I don’t like to be that negative, but it’s the same with our Carter. He’s an anti-U.S. non-visionary. His grasp of global dynamics involves a bathtub half full of water and three rubber ducks.
Everything is fine until he sticks his big toe in the water.
That being said, it’s the same with Obama, only Obama only needs to walk by the tub to F things up.
Now just a cotton pickin’ minit here. Let’s be fair to Jimmuh. His grasp of global dynamics does not involve just three rubber ducks. I’m sure it involves at least four.
Okay four, but I’m puttin’ my foot down beyond that! :^)
Or let me re-phrase: during the 2,000 year Diaspora, did yeshiva students get supported by the Jewish community while studying their whole lives? Or were they mostly expected to earn their living while studying on the side?
Only the most exceptional scholars were supported their entire lives, and they became chief rabbis, such as Rabbi Eliahu of Vilna. And even some of those were supported by the labor of their hands, such as Rabbi Shlomo Yitzchaki, now known as Rashi, who was a vinekeeper.
So it would not be a break with ancient tradition for modern Haredi men to be expected to work for a living, rather than being on the Israeli public dole?
Of course not.
Weren’t rabbis EXPECTED to have a trade? And to teach a trade to their sons?
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