The doctor won’t see you? Analysts warn ObamaCare plans could resemble Medicaid

Fox News ^ | Dec 26, 2013 | FoxNews

[Innovative]

Those signing up for private health care coverage on the ObamaCare exchanges may be in for an unpleasant surprise -- they'll have insurance, but they might have trouble getting the doctor to see them.

Just as with Medicaid, analysts warn that if payments get too low, many doctors might start refusing to see patients. That will leave more and more patients jockeying to see fewer and fewer doctors.

They emphasize, then, that having health insurance won't necessarily translate into access to health care.

[Innovative]

There will be fewer people insured because a lot of people are having their insurance cancelled. Then on top of it, those who will be insured are the sicker ones, then on top of that, the government reimbursement will get less, so more and more doctors won't see those patients and there will be long waits...

Welcome to Obamacare!

[spokeshave]

And just wait till they start issuing orders to the doctors to match client with the care required....and prescriptions....don't forget all those complex prescription orders.

I see not just amputations on the wrong limb....but on the wrong patient

[faithhopecharity]

a local friend is elderly and frail. he has 9 doctors (doesn’t need to see them all every day, of course, but he has a doctor for each item that ails him... specialization is how medicine works these days)
anyway,
so far none of his doctors has said he’s willing to sign up to accept Obamacare patients.

none.

[hinckley buzzard]

I have patients now on Medicaid who need to be seen by a psychiatrist. They can't find any who will take them.

[Jay Redhawk]

Both of the doctors I see have expressed the idea that they may retire rather than deal with Obamacare. Both are about the same age as me and we have grown older together, but they still have a good 10 to fifteen years left in them. It is a shame that our fascist government would encourage them to leave their practices.

[LostInBayport]

A death panel in effect if not in name.

I pray for your friend. And for the rest of us who will be in his shoes one day. The deeper this Obamacare parasite sinks its tentacles into our health care system, the more my planning for “old age” abates. There is really no point for some of us if this monstrosity isn’t annihilated.

[PoloSec]

I’ve lost two doctors in just the last year, the first one I had for about 10 years he just quit, the second I had for just shy of a year, and he quit, I liked them both.

They never specified why they quit or what they would be doing, I’m pretty sure it had to do with obamacare, because they made no pretense about how they hated it.

[lurk]

What good will your $1000 premium and $10000 deductible do you if you can’t find a doctor to treat you?

[justiceseeker93]

Those signing up for private health care coverage on the ObamaCare exchanges may be in for an unpleasant surprise -- they'll have insurance, but they might have trouble getting the doctor to see them. Just as with Medicaid, analysts warn that if payments get too low, many doctors might start refusing to see patients. That will leave more and more patients jockeying to see fewer and fewer doctors. They emphasize, then, that having health insurance won't necessarily translate into access to health care.

You didn't have to be a brain surgeon to have figured that out three plus years ago when Obamacare was passed in the dead of the night. Politicians (even some who opposed Obamacare) glibly talked as if obtaining medical insurance was entirely equivalent to having access to the medical care an individual needs. The fact is that insurance and care are different concepts. One can have insurance and yet not have access to the care needed. (The inverse is true as well: one can have no insurance and still have access to the required care.) Apparently the "low information" voters couldn't figure that out in 2012.

[Ole Okie]

I see not just amputations on the wrong limb....but on the wrong patient

Oh, we just removed your kidneys by mistake. You'll do well on dialysis.

What? No dialysis machines? Oh well.

[duckman]

“...if you can’t find a doctor to treat you?”

Or if you have to drive several hours to get to his/her office. Or you have to wait months as a new patient.

[justiceseeker93]

...So far none of his doctors has said he’s willing to sign up to accept Obamacare patients.

You stated that the patient is elderly. If he has Medicare, will his doctors take it?

(I know that some Medicare reimbursements are being cut as part of this Obamacare package.)

[spokeshave]

Here are some images from the UK National Health System

I see not just amputations on the wrong limb....but on the wrong patient.

and don't expect quick response for a broken arm:

He refused to stop smoking...his cast appointments were delayed till it was too late.

And so you have an acute appendix....?

Mark Wattson, 35, from Swindon may have been the victim of botched surgery after he had to have his appendix removed twice

To his shock, surgeons from the same team told him that not only was his appendix still inside him, but it had ruptured - a potentially fatal complication.

In a second operation it was finally removed, leaving Mr Wattson fearing another organ might have been taken out during the first procedure.

The blunder has left Mr Wattson jobless, as bosses at the shop where he worked did not believe his story and sacked him.

Mr Wattson told of the moment he realised there had been a serious mistake.

'I was lying on a stretcher in terrible pain and a doctor came up to me and said that my appendix had burst,' he said.

'I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I told these people I had my appendix out just four weeks earlier but there it was on the scanner screen for all to see.

'I thought, "What the hell did they slice me open for in the first place?"

'I feel that if the surgery had been done correctly in the first place I wouldn't be in the mess I am today. I'm disgusted by the whole experience.'

Mr Wattson first went under the knife on July 7 after experiencing severe abdominal pain for several weeks. He was discharged but exactly a month later he had to dial 999 after collapsing in agony. Mr Wattson

Mr Wattson was readmitted to the Great Western Hospital in Swindon after his appendix ruptured.

Nurse will see you now

130,000 elderly patients killed every year by ‘death pathway’, claims leading UK doctor

by Thaddeus Baklinski Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:02 EST Tags: euthanasia, patrick pullicino, uk

LONDON, June 21, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - An eminent British doctor told a meeting of the Royal Society of Medicine in London that every year 130,000 elderly patients that die while under the care of the National Health Service (NHS) have been effectively euthanized by being put on the controversial Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP), a protocol for care of the terminally ill that he described as a “death pathway.”

Sit back and enjoy your Obamacare.

[Eleutheria5]

FREE CELL PHONES! NEVER MIND ALL THAT! FREE CELL PHONES!

[Sacajaweau]

I think the eventual surprise will be the government will take a tax right out of your paycheck just like SS and Medicare. It'll be directly for Medicaid and they rob the Medicare fund to pull this off (which they have done already).

So 3 deductions instead of two. SS, Medicare & Mediscam.

[headstamp 2]

That’s what it is. It’s based on the same model.

[faithhopecharity]

so far most of his doctors are accepting his visits on medicare, yes. two docs have demanded extra annual ‘membership’ type fees (not sure of law on this, but it happens), and i am told that almost all the docs will NOT accept new government-pay patients, they are only keeping on their long-term, established “old customers” like my buddy who has been with most of his doctors for years and years and years and eons...
new patient on govt-pay? sorry, there’s no room at the inn...

[JPG]

[faithhopecharity]

i am told that the doctors say that the rate of reimbursement (pay) from the feds is so low that it doesn’t even pay them to handle the claims and billing paperwork

that could be, there is a lot of cost involved in paying people who are knowledgeable about the tons of federal regulations and procedures involved in a doc collecting on whatever few kopeks the feds allow to treat “useless old people.”

be that as it may, the rate of reimbursement is certainly low enough that they are shunning, ducking, avoiding, refusing new such patients on their lists

[Gen.Blather]

“If he has Medicare, will his doctors take it?”

My mother has Medicare. Two years ago we had a difficult time finding a therapist who would take it. She needed a few weeks of care. The facility that took her was WORN out and there were few English speaking help. She was treated badly and only got care because of daily visits. That facility is now out of business. I’m guessing that Medicare and Medicaid are on the way to being insurance in name only.