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Posted on 12/12/2013 3:11:59 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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I don’t think this is going to end well.
I’m making a list and checking it twice. RINOs will ALL get coal for their 2014. I will NOT vote or support ANY candidate who is anti-Tea Party. PERIOD!
I could be wrong, but I am thinking they dump us, in exchange for disenchanted Democrats, ANDDD.......(are you ready).....the Latino vote, via Amnesty.
Nice take. Zactly, too. There are few conservatives in our country, because their are even fewer practicing Christians. This is why our job is made so hard. God is out, and strictly politics is in.
That will never really be a winning hand.
Resulting in the Dems launching total war on the GOP and spending all their money .power/political capital with the rest of America.
Sounds like a win for America. They beat each other to political death, the Latinos go mercenary and the stranglehold on power is over...
One possible way it would play out.
What? Where is Norm going? I missed something, didn’t I?
Believe me when I say "I know." I've had offers to move out of state that I've really wanted to take, however my charming and delightful wife really wants to wait until our kids are out of high school.
I can understand her point. I moved (twice!) when I was in high school and it was incredibly disruptive academically as well as socially which is really important with two teenage sons.....
Norm, do you think that the Libertarians will gain big from those of us, from all sides, who are fed up.
I would stay home than vote GOPe or libertopian
Lots (maybe most) of the "Contact Me" forms on the Congressmen's websites work that way.
In some respects, I can't blame them. Why should Boehner give a damn about what anyone outside his district has to say to him? If/when he ever does care, he can ask his caucus.
I think an Opus has to be its own thread, or it doesn’t count.
Great post. All you guys get it. That is comforting.
We had two leftist GOP hacks in Pa, who we absolutely HAD to support, Arlen Specter and Barbara Hafer. The GOP-e pushed these frauds hard, and both ultimately turned Democrats officially. Boehner is much like these two sleazes. Bob
ok Norm. God’s speed to you. I’m sure, like me, you’re still looking for the opportunities a true conservative sees, even now. take care. the main battle is now moving to the states and to the people themselves. it’s always been a holding action at the federal level. the people will have to choose their master pretty soon.
I just have had it with the stupid mazqurading as “Conaervative”. As for the libritarians, They likely will gain. And the reason is that 1: We on the right never gave the younger voters a viable option. 2: plenty of moderate/semi moderate Republicans who have had it with the GOP will go there before a 3rd party since again, we as conservatives cannot get our poop together enough to form a cohesive unit/voting block.
As the past year cemented in stone, so called “Conservatives” will vote for a baby killing Liberal (See Romney and his abortion legislation/Statements/planned Parenthood support). People try mightily to pretend they didn’t and make that part of his history go away. But they did.
Some people admitted their mistake, some fight to ensure we keep electing that type of Republican. Facts are facts. But my point is this. When someone on the outside looks at us, what do they see? We boast huff and puff about conservative this and Reagan that. But do we live up to it?
Many refuse to try, then attack those who make an effort. To a person on the outside that looks like exactly what it is. Pure hypocrisy. And since we cannot even decide what we are/truly believe as a group, few want to associate with that.
Granted, even it we did, we’d not get them all. But we’d get more than we will now as we have no core belief/philosophy that we as ‘Conservatism” agree on.
Ugly truth but I defy anyone to prove that wrong.
What about those whom “lost it all”, and wouldn’t fight? Could you convince them now that they must? My point is there are more being made into losers every hour, under this regime, so your sympathizers should be finally growing as we speak.
Obamacare will bring along the entire middle class for you next year.
Its in our towns and here on the net EVERY TIME you see one of their minions say Lesser evil, Ill fight in the primary but vote GOP no matter who it is and the like.
For a majority of these folks who believe in such rot, I would no doubt surmise themselves to be ardent adherents to their faith. It baffled me for a long time how a religious and moral people could somehow forget the scriptural admonition that "Darkness has no part with Righteousness" - and surrender their principles and "vote the lesser of evils" when we are told that evil cannot have any part of what is right.
The fact is this people have bought a Satanic lie, that they can compartmentalize their faith - and separate politics from their religious life. This is how we lost the culture - and this is how we lost the Republic, but hinting we can keep God in a Box, and that our political choices have no bearing on our religious life and obligations.
This is why you have a people who will tell you that voting for the lesser of two evils is righteousness, and that refusing to vote for the foisted candidate is a greater evil.
Scripture tells us to beware of those who call good 'evil' and who call evil 'good' that woe will befall them.
I submit that woe is befallen the entire nation because we have decided to do just that. We are devoid of religion and morality - but continue to deceive ourselves that we are righteous - and that is why we have lost our Republic and the Constitution is in tatters.
Bottom line is conservatives need to present both Boehner in the House and McConnell in the Senate with a letter resigning from the Republican Caucus in each body. Tell them if they intend to govern like Democrats, then they’d rather have the professionals in charge than be stabbed in the back by their own.
But are they fighting? Obama has been in action for 5 years. The GOP fully turned shortly after that. Yet here on the most conservative of remaining forums, to say nothing of lesser forums, the crys of “Vote for the GOP/Lesser Evil/Any GOP is better than a Dem” go largely unopposed by more than a handfull.
Where are all the people wh were slaughtered financially et all by those very policies/sentiments? Sure they are waking up. But they are sitting on the sidelines waiting for and allowing others to speak for them rather than being the Americans the founders and generations since fought for.
And getting in the fight themselves.
Don’t knock ex dems. We may find lots of them out there now. We welcome ex dems! Even better, ex commies who get it - see David Horowitz!
Oh they absolutely bought the lie. Take a look at my post history for hours of reading. You will find every manner and excuse rationalizing that lie by many ‘good’ conservatives.
And don’t you DARE question their ‘conservatism”.
Makes me sick.
I do believe Libertarians are going to fill in the gap. If it means Rand Paul, I could live with that, short term. For one reason, the Libertarians take some critical air supply out of both the R’s and the D’s, maybe even incinerating the establishment types of both parties.
Long term, Libertarians implode for housing an unruly mix.
Considering Rand Paul’s proven track record of “ethical flexibility” We might just as well keep Bhoner and Co. in an either or scenario.
Well they would not fight when the cost was minimal. Neither would they fight when their interests and liberty were attacked.
Now we have arrived at the point where some will fight because they will decide it is better to fight and die than live as slaves.
However, there is this fact - there will be no victory. Because the majority will turn on them and betray them over the fear that anyone daring to resist will make their miserable existence, worse.
Because this is what happens in totalitarian and genocidal regimes.
But the majority would rather lie to themselves and insist that we are not become such and that such a regime is not possible because we have cable and beer and have Xmas shopping to do.
They have no idea what time it is, and they will fight to remain in ignorance rather than understand the truth, making people like you and I, targets for their fear.
No God, no blessing. Absolutely that is why we are cooked and shall stay cooked. We shut the door, favoring our own minds as our god, and He has lifted His right hand of blessing, turned us over to ourselves, and that is left hand of judgement we’re all feeling.
The good shall not be spared, but they shall be saved.
The GOP fights its own base with far more vigor than it employs in fighting the Dims.
That’s what is getting me, why trash your base?
doesn’t make sense to me.
Maybe john thinks the tea party is just a splinter
group as painted by the dems, but he should know
it’s bigger than that, or is it that he trusts the
Sometimes I wish Ma never bought that World Book Encyclopedia for my 5th birthday. but she did. People like us who have the remotest clue of history see so many instances of history repeating. But none so blind, and all that.
I no longer fear whats coming as I realize nothing I can do will stop it. But I do want to survive it if only to laugh in the faces of the people who refused to care. But again you’re right. we probably are targets.
My real hope is that 500 years from now the history books of the time will show modern idiocy for what it is. Assuming the mutants occupying whats left can read and write them.
They are going to change the game pawns. They trade off conservative pawn pieces for more disenchanted Dems, and the Latinos (through Amnesty).
The game is not changed, just the pieces you shove around on the board.
Open your mind to the evidence that JB and most of the rest is/are Democrat. The rest explains itself.
Whats harder to believe? That or “America would abandon it’s people to Benghazi/Fast-furious” et all?
Seems a lot easier to believe Johnny is a lib than the others. But the others happened. So why is this so strange a possibility?
We fight fair and we don’t have mainstream media. FR is a lovely place where I receive hope and feel I am not alone, but I was so disillusioned after this last election here. We didn’t have any effect.
It is soooo frustrating to have that media out there telling all the low infos that black is white, up is down, bad is good.
The only reason any low infos are growing wiser about Obama these days is OBAMA HIMSELF OVERREACHING. We haven’t done much to inform and conquer. He has made a bunch of middle class people look like utter fools. Some (black and white and the rest) are starting to wonder if he ever really deserved his halo.
But all these bright FReepers who see what is happening, who know what is going on, still have perilous little effect on the country. How to be more active? What good does it do, when the media have told everyone that Tea Party people are stupid racists and then they frame everything according to the liberal fake world view? It’s like we need someone loud yet gentle who doesn’t care about his popularity (or infamy) to get onto media and just freaking talk PAST the reporter questions directly to the American people and let them know what is REALLY going on.
Rush Limbaugh has done a lot for this country. And my special needs kid who hates to read anything of substance and fought me to not have Rush Revere read to him, LOVED IT. But if Rush could do just one more thing for this great country, he should literally GO LIVE onto Greta and other shows, and do two minute explanations of current truths to at least the Fox News audience. Video would be key because it could be shown on other shows, and even if they cut it to ribbons, the whole thing could be found on YouTube. Rush plus YouTube just might get to low info voters. That is where teens and twenties spend a lot of their time.
I don’t know of another ambassador who is not afraid to be trashed (he has decades of experience with it), who can explain everything succinctly and with humor, and doesn’t get all emotional/angry and squeaky like his friend mark Levin. I wish he would, or at least that someone else would dare. Sadly Sarah Palin cannot get across to low infos. How many people has she personally converted to conservatism?
Rush converted me, and maybe a lot of other true blues here too. Finally I got it.
I know, but I really want to disappoint someone.
I wanna see Boehner & Co. gasping, aghast that the ground has opened up and swallowed them.
I could enjoy very much that some upstart party led by a crazed upstart pulls the trapdoor open under their feet, all because they were to cool for school, when they were really obvious, transparent, treacherous phirrannas.
But what could any good conservative do in the last election? And if all of us had not voted, where would we be today? I do agree that long term IF NO CONSERVATIVES VOTED for many elections, the establishment GOP would eventually at least lean a little to the right before elections. We would look stupid and certainly not attract anyone to our actions, and probably lose many who actually wish to partake in elections. It’s the only thing a lot of us can do.
Where is your end chess result with your strategy?
I don’t have an answer myself, I just want to let low info voters effortlessly (because they will not make efforts) learn the TRUTH about what we know and believe. Put it side by side with the liberal philosophy. I think we will win more than we lose if we are given a chance.
We will NEVER reach anyone with conservatism until we live it. All my ranting on this and many other threads comes down to that. When we collectively claim conservative principles/values as the way to go, then turn around in the same breath and compromise those beliefs/principles, the average joe sees us as fools.
So until we rid ourselves of the enemy within our ranks, here we are.c It’s that simple.
That and get over the idea that we can do it all pain free. We took decades to get to the point where ‘conservatives’ can call voting in a Pubbie ‘no matter what” and be taken seriously. It will not be easy to turn it around. And it will not come without a political price.
So true. Today’s republicans are yesterday’s democrats and today’s democrats are yesterday’s Fabian socialists. Patriotic Americans need not apply. There is no home for conservatives but the tea party, free republic, and talk radio.
Your point is certainly well taken, here.
Maybe if their were less estrogen in the water, real men would have already taken care of this,....maybe. That Boston Tea Party thing really happened here, didn’t it?
You need to stop picking on my deceased relatives and the rest!!!
You try life after your children died in front of you of starvation, you are 50+ and living on filthy, cold wooden barracks in winter! no food! sick and dying all around you! and anyone who refuses to march is kicked and beaten! and they tell you to march!!
Until you have been in that situation, don’t disparage others!!!!
I think Norm meant to say he was leaving the Republican Party and not FR, but that’s just my take.
Dear Conservatives, I'd suggest you do something about it and KICK their A$$.
Simple. Physics shows that an object in motion remains so unless acted upon by another force. That force has to be great enough to bring the object to a stop before reversing it’s direction.
There is no gradual turning of the GOP. For nearly 30 years now we have moved left, not right. All the rationalizations and excusses for lesser evils et all have a demonstrated and proven result. What we live under today.
We will never get a conservative utopia any more than the libs get unicorns. That said, We can get a Constitutional America back. Eventually. But to do it, you HAVE TO STOP MAKING THE SAME DAMN MISTAKES that got us here. The Founders laid it out. It’s simple. But no one wants to do it because it’s hard and they have a house payment and and and...
You start by not electing liberals in either party. ANYWHERE. From school boards to Sherrifs to Presidents. And you will lose elections. But you will win others. That’s reality. But instil you BEGIN the process of telling the GOP to F’off, you exert no force whatsoever. And until you purge the enemy within, you exert no force whatsoever.
And had we done that after Bush 1 abandoned Reganism, we would not be here today. It’s most likely too late as it is. But you can either try or we can all download a copy of Fallout 3 to prepare for whats next.
Yaelle, his point is the Jews failed to read their future in advance. And many Jews were guilty of “normalcy bias”, which has been discussed here today, and it is prevalent today conditioning you and I for the same ends.
The means justify the ends is all over the place apparent.
When people start telling these idiots to go to hell in public, we might have a hope of starting, much less finishing this battle.
NOW YOU ARE TALKING.
This is a good plan. Young people will actually respect this. Everyone will see it; this will go viral.
I’d pay $1000, who else? If we all paid some member of congress to do this on cspan cameras, maybe that would help. Lol.
I would love to see nancy pelosi ripping her face lift stitches out due to an unapproved facial expression, McCain doing gymnastic feats to get across the aisle and apologize fast enough, etc, to have someone just get up there and tell it like it is. “We have left our Constitution behind. We are living under socialist tyranny! The President and all his totalitarian cabinet can go straight to Hell! I hope that they will stop by this magnificent building on their way, so they can all KISS MY ASS!” (Excuse the profanity)
ping for later
The GOP don’t get the liberals and are isolating themselves from getting any conservatives.
They are ending themselves, or at least their old guard is ending themselves IMO.
I think the legacy of misery due to failure to listen to the voices of wisdom and righteousness will indeed feature prevalently in the Kingdom of God.
Which is how it is that the Former things shall pass away, and there shall be no more tears or sorrow.
We will know the misery we have wrought upon ourselves for choosing our own way (which leads to death) rather than God's Way.
If I have any fear of what is coming - it is this: that what remains of Christian faith in this country will falter and fail because too many have bought the false doctrine that they are going to be snatched and saved from any suffering from tribulation.
They are biblically ignorant of the fact that Tribulation was to be a Christian's lot in life - and that the Great Tribulation is Satan's wrath on God's people - of whom God will allow to be tested and trampled, even to death. For we are told to 'endure' to the end - and such an admonition comes from enduring evil, misery and death with our faith intact.
Having no real experience with persecution and suffering - most of us are going to have our faith tested in ways we are not prepared. I got a firsthand taste of that lesson myself when living overseas in a third world cesspool for half a year.
If you think you are going to stand and endure with your faith inapt, the kind of misery most of our brothers and sisters in the faith endure daily in the third world - you better rethink that. You aren't. I certainly didn't.
Add living under a despotic tyranny that has visions of genocide in it's head and a people who get violent if their need for instant gratification is not met - and I can say to you all with assurance - Christians in America are not ready for what is upon us.
And as we are getting a glimpse of with the GOP attacking those of us principled Conservatives in the political sense - we are going to be betrayed and turned upon by our very own in the faith as well.
The longer most Americans continue to deceive and delude themselves, the greater the betrayals and anger from our own will be.
No I left the GOP a while back. After this thread, I’m done here. I am tired of arguing with liberals calling themselves conservatives. Plenty of other ways to help make a difference without wasting time repeating the same arguments with the same idiots.
There are many great people here. If they ever got on the same page and stopped letting the Psuedocons disrupt thread after thread with their lesser evil BS, make excuse after excuse for the GOP’s liberalism, the PDS and the rest, we would all be better for it. I just don’t intend to participate in it any more. Others are free to continue.
I think you are wrong here. There are plenty of solid conservatives who don’t use the abortion issue as an election / voting litmus test. YES, they believe in the constitution, small government, freedom. But they see the trick on the ABORTION ISSUE, even as they oppose abortion.
Libs love that issue because they have fooled most people into thinking it is some kind of necessary procedure. Thus a lot of people will look down upon anti abortion candidates. Let’s not play that game. Our candidates should just say they are against abortion but don’t wish to campaign on it and just don’t discuss it. The ultrasound machines are willing our fight, not politicians, and the debate only hurts us. It doesn’t even save a baby.
Our voters should support someone who meets their criteria on everything else and then says he or she is personally opposed to abortion and leaves it right there. Period.
A lot of us voted for Romney and I know we went very compromised to the polls but it doesn’t mean we want abortions.
“Which is how it is that the Former things shall pass away, and there shall be no more tears or sorrow.”
That actual verse has literally been framed and on my wall since 1995.
I lived in a third world slum and saw things on a scale not much different than what your relatives endured. Institutionalized persecution is bitch you cannot comprehend. None of us soft Americans can. My mind was literally short-circuiting at what I was seeing every day, the misery, the abuse, the beatings, the killing - all done under the color of law and culture.
I'm giving fair warning what is occurring to us and what our portents are if we do not wake up as a people to what has already happened to us.
Wishful thinking, happy-happy-joy-joy sentiments are not going to change it. Neither will elections from this point out. History is a brutal teacher if one wishes to be honest and understand where we are in relation to the lessons of the past.
If you are offended at the truth of what is being said here - then that is your own problem. Putting your fingers in your ears and shutting your eyes and considering it offensive that someone would dare try and warn this people that what happened 70 years ago is taking shape again right under our noses - is more than illustrative as to WHY we've lost the culture and the country.
Scripture warns us that a people become wicked while thinking themselves righteous will refuse to hear the truth and demand to hear only smooth and easy things. Such people always kill those giving a warning about what is to come if they do not wise up.
As the Proverb tells us, there is nothing new under the sun.
Thank you for the clarification. We will miss you as we miss the others that have gone. Best wishes.