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Tesla battery swap a fake - company gets $55M for non-existent feature
Doubting is thinking ^ | 9-12-2013 | Alberto Zaragoza

Posted on 12/08/2013 8:06:30 PM PST by AlbertoZaragoza

The maximum amount of credits goes to a car that can go 300 miles and refuel to 95% of capacity within 15 minutes. The Tesla Model S falls short on range and, especially, on refuelling time.

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And so the joke begins. At the end of 2012, Californai decided that they needed a way to account for the Model S' ability to do a 90-second battery swap. This effectively meant it was refuelling a lot faster than its 15 minutes target, and to 100% capacity to boot. So the cancelled version remained at 4 credits, but the short-range version was upgraded to 5, and the long-range to 7.

About 70% of Model S sales have been of the long-range version.

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The problem is that the Tesla Model S cannot do a battery swap!

Tesla has been getting tens of millions thanks to a feature that nobody will ever use.

You can just go to the Tesla forum and read the experiences of people who've had their batteries "swapped".

"My battery swap happened this week in Rockville. My 85's battery went bad in the parking lot at Rockville while waiting for other scheduled service, so they had to replace it. The job took 3 hours of mechanic labor, and 7600 units of ethylene glycol, three seals, two dozen bolts, and a replacement cover (I am looking at the 9-page repair order as I write this). When we asked the service tech about why it took so long since they are designed for swapping (we already knew better), he just laughed."

The scam goes on.

(Excerpt) Read more at doubtingisthinking.blogspot.com.es ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: batteryswap; blogpimp; carboncredits; electriccars; tesla
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Tesla gets $55M in carbon credits because of their car's ability to do a battery swap.....then they fail to build a single swap station. Not that it matters, the car cannot do it anyway.

If allowed to continue, the scam will get into the hundreds of millions.

1 posted on 12/08/2013 8:06:31 PM PST by AlbertoZaragoza
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To: Red Badger

Ping.


2 posted on 12/08/2013 8:18:35 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: AlbertoZaragoza

Hey, no big deal; it just comes out of Obummer’s stash!


3 posted on 12/08/2013 8:19:11 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: AlbertoZaragoza

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY

I’m not sure why you say it couldn’t do this. Are you saying this demonstration was false?


4 posted on 12/08/2013 8:37:07 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: AlbertoZaragoza

ripping off taxpayers, because the government loves to simply give it away


5 posted on 12/08/2013 8:42:11 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: AlbertoZaragoza

Solyndra wannabes


6 posted on 12/08/2013 8:47:45 PM PST by xp38
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To: AlbertoZaragoza

the difference is swap out at a facility designed to do it, vs a mobile mechanic.

I knew your post was BS when it said the battery swap was impossible to be done, then the next sentence said how long it took.


7 posted on 12/08/2013 8:51:05 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

So where is the “facility designed to do it”?

Of course batteries can be CHANGED, but it takes hours. The word swap implies FAST, and indeed Tesla advertised 90 seconds! That’s why I described the owner’s experience as a” swap”.... I don’t know you but when I think of things swapping I don’t expect three hours.

Tesla got $55 million for a demo - nothing heard since then.


8 posted on 12/08/2013 9:02:37 PM PST by AlbertoZaragoza
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To: AlbertoZaragoza

This is why government handouts for stuff like this should be abolished.


9 posted on 12/08/2013 9:07:16 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: 4rcane

I would say it is false. Every time I see Elon Musk, I think of a carnival barker.
There’s no way that car was the equivalent of a Joe Average battery swap. No doubt it was clean and easy to get to the bolts. The bolts were probably already loosened. Everything was set up to make it as easy as possible.
Want a real test, get a Tesla with 20K on it and lets see how fast it swaps it. Oh, you can’t, there aren’t any Tesla Super Charging Stations, oh, I mean Tesla service station.
How much money is Tesla making by selling their mileage credits to other companies?
Do they swap that quick when the battery is bricked?


10 posted on 12/08/2013 9:09:44 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: BereanBrain

Using Google Earth, show me where there’s a Tesla Super Charging station.


11 posted on 12/08/2013 9:12:30 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: 4rcane

That video is the ONLY occasion the feature has been “demonstrated”. I use quotes because even then nobody was allowed near the cars, either before or after the swap.

Tesla has never shown it in a consumer car. Among people in the Tesla forum, absolutely nobody has claimed that his battery change took minutes - it’s always hours.

Then there is, you know, circumstantial evidence..... Such as the total lack of news about swap stations ONE YEAR after they started to get money off this feature.

Just try to find a Tesla statement about swaps that isn’t six months old.


12 posted on 12/08/2013 9:14:10 PM PST by AlbertoZaragoza
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To: Lx

The local paper in Corsicana, TX had a story of one being installed at the Collin Street bakery on I-45.


13 posted on 12/08/2013 10:28:27 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: AlbertoZaragoza

I think the scam started with the carbon credit BS. This is a dicide between the industrial haves to the have nots rolled into a liberal progressed pure green race fascism.


14 posted on 12/08/2013 10:50:06 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: AlbertoZaragoza

*divide


15 posted on 12/08/2013 10:51:16 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: AlbertoZaragoza
Here is a video of how Better Place used to do battery swap. Technically, they did fine. Financially, they are bankrupt and closed. This automation is very expensive, and it works only in perfectly clean conditions of Israel. I cannot even imagine how badly such a robot would fail with a car that travelled a few miles on a dirt road. It would be hard to protect 10 sq. feet of the bottom of the car from splash and from loose gravel.
16 posted on 12/08/2013 11:32:20 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Greysard

Well, the love of money can really bend a conscience. Hey they proved that somehow, somewhere, it can be done. Dry desert. But with the mess that is a typical US car environment, apparently won’t work. I could see it requiring a washing before the swap, but not for normal US dirt to render it impossible.


17 posted on 12/08/2013 11:36:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

I was just by there. There is indeed a Tesla Charging Station in the parking lot.

Place makes great sandwiches, too!


18 posted on 12/09/2013 4:51:51 AM PST by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: AlbertoZaragoza
7600 units of ethylene glycol

The Tesla uses anti-freeze?

19 posted on 12/09/2013 4:59:27 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: AlbertoZaragoza

yea, you make some good points. As much as I am a fan of Tesla Motors Model S, I think Tesla have been less than honest here on the battery swap. Months later, we yet to see it on consumers cars


20 posted on 12/09/2013 5:59:35 AM PST by 4rcane
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