Posted on 12/06/2013 10:42:58 PM PST by VitacoreVision
Nelson Mandela with South African Communist Party head Joe Slovo
Revolutionary leader Nelson Mandela died late Thursday, December 5, and presidents, dictators, and the press from around the world are in mourning, but it should be remembered that the U.S. government labeled his group a terrorist group for a reason.
good post, thanks.
The “song” is called Kill the Boer. Not Kill the Afrikaner. The genocide that is occurring is overwhelmingly affecting the Boer people... not the Cape Dutch Afrikaners as much. The genocide is particularly aimed at the Boers as their legitimate claims to their old Boer Republics [ wherein the majority of the region’s resources are found ] represents a significant lawful threat to the establishment. That is why they are hoping on wiping them out. The establishment then hope on co-opting the remaining local White population.
Whenever I mention this to anyone, the universal reaction is: “How can this all possibly be true?”
The lie is so massive, it makes the truth seem impossible.
Boers are Afrikaner.
You can’t speak any negative truths about a black man!
Racist.
You wear a hood and a robe, don’t you?
/sarcasm.
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What the Boers should have done was establish their own country separate from the Bantu population. And then carefully select only those immigrants compatible with a modern society. It does not appear whites and blacks can live together peacefully in South Africa.
It does not appear whites and blacks can live together peacefully in South Africa.
Can’t wait to pi$$ on his grave-—’course there’s a LONG list of them.................
CAVEAT ON NELSON MANDELA
Townhall.com ^ | December 7, 2013 | Humberto Fontova
A Martian visiting earth this week, coasting TV channels and perusing papers, would have to conclude that among the items that most interest this planets news bureaus is the plight of former political prisoners, especially black ones.
Well, many Cubans (many of them black) suffered longer and more horrible incarceration in Castros KGB-designed dungeons than Nelson Mandela spent in South Africas (relatively) comfortable prisons, which were open to inspection by the Red Cross. Castro has never allowed a Red Cross delegation anywhere near his real prisons. Now lets see if you recognize some of the Cuban ex-prisoners and torture-victims:
Mario Chanes (30 years), Ignacio Cuesta Valle, (29 years) Antonio López Muñoz, (28 years) in Dasio Hernández Peña (28 years) Dr. Alberto Fibla (28 years) Pastor Macurán (28 years) Roberto Martin Perez (28 years) Roberto Perdomo (28 years) Teodoro González (28 years.) Jose L.Pujals (27 years) Miguel A. Alvarez Cardentey (27 years.) Eusebio Penalver (28 years.)
No? None of these names ring a bell? And yet their suffering took place only 90 miles from U.S. shores in a locale absolutely lousy with international press bureaus and their intrepid investigative reporters. From CNN to NBC, from Reuters to the AP, from ABC to NPR to CBS, Castro welcomes all of these to embed and report from his fiefdom.
This fiefdom, by the way, is responsible for the jailing and torture of the most political prisoners (many black) per-capita of any regime in the modern history of the Western hemisphere, more in fact than Stalins at the height of the Great Terror. But the Martian would only learn that it provides free and fabulous healthcare and is subject to a cruel and archaic embargo by a superpower.
Here are some choice Mandela-isms:
Che Guevara is an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom.
The cause of Communism is the greatest cause in the history of mankind!
Theres one place where (Fidel Castros) Cuba stands out head and shoulders above the rest that is in its love for human rights and liberty!
Here are a few items the Martian would probably never learn regarding Nelson Mandela or the Stalinist regime he adored:
South Africas apartheid regime was no model of liberty. But even its most violent enemies enjoyed a bona fide day in court under a judge who was not beholden to a dictator for his job (or his life.)
When Nelson Mandela was convicted of 193 counts of terrorism committed between 1961 and 1963, including the preparation, manufacture and use of explosives, including 210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, his trial had observers from around the free world. The trial has been properly conducted, wrote Anthony Sampson, correspondent for the liberal London Observer. The judge, Mr Justice Quartus de Wet, has been scrupulously fair. Sampson admitted this though his own sympathies veered strongly towards Mandela. (Indeed, Sampson went on to write Nelson Mandelas authorized biography.)
In sharp contrast, when Ruby Hart Phillips, the Havana correspondent for the flamingly Castrophile New York Times, attended a mass-trial of accused Castro-regime enemies, she gaped in horror. The defense attorney made absolutely no defense, instead he apologized to the court for defending the prisoners, she wrote in February 1959. The whole procedure was sickening. The defendants were all murdered by firing squad the following dawn.
In 1961 a Castro regime prosecutor named Idelfonso Canales explained Cubas new system to a stupefied defendant, named Rivero Caro who was himself a practicing lawyer in pre-Castro Cuba. Forget your lawyer mentality, laughed Canales. What you say doesnt matter. What proof you provide doesnt matter, even what the prosecuting attorney says doesnt matter. The only thing that matters is what the G-2 (military police) says!
A reminder:
According to Anti-Apartheid activists a grand total of 3,000 political prisoners passed through South Africas Robben Island prison in roughly 30 years under the Apartheid regime, (all after trials similar to the one described above by Anthony Sampson.) Usually about a thousand were held. These were out of a South African population of 40 million. Heres what Mandelas jail cell looked like towards the end of his sentence.
N*gger! taunted my jailers between tortures. recalled Castros prisoner Eusebio Penalver to this writer. We pulled you down from the trees and cut off your tail! they laughed at me. For months I was naked in a 6 x 4 foot cell Thats 4 feet high, so you couldnt stand. But they never succeeded in branding me as common criminal, so I felt a great freedom inside myself. I refused to commit spiritual suicide, continued the late Mr Penalver.
According to the Human Rights group, Freedom House, a grand total of 500,000 political prisoners have passed through Castros various prisons and forced labor camps (many after trails like the one described by R.H Phillips above, others with none whatsoever.) At one time in 1961, some 300,000 Cubans were jailed for political offenses (in torture chambers and forced-labor camps designed by Stalins disciples, not like Mandelas as seen above.) This was out of a Cuban population in 1960 of 6.4 million.
So who did the world embargo for injustice? and human-rights abuses? (Apartheid South Africa, of course) And who currently sits on the UNs Human Rights Council? (Stalinist Cuba.)
In brief, none of the craziness Alice found after tumbling down that rabbit hole comes close to the craziness Cuba-watchers read and see almost
The Truth would kill the Progressive agenda of the Left.. one of their icons is a fraud.
NO biggie! almost every other icon is too..
Let ‘em rot where they fall.. the apple tree never had so many worms eating away at its bounty.
In the end, even the worms will tire of them.
I think what Republican meant is that the Afrikaner community is divided into two parts-the Boers, whose ancestors left in the Great Trek in the 1800s, and the Cape Dutch, whose ancestors preferred to stay where they were.
No. This was one of the many lies told about the Boers. The term Afrikaner is a political term that refers to a political regime: bot to an ethnic group. Under the Afrikaner designation were the Cape Dutch [ the folks who coalesced in & around Cape Town ] & the Boers [ the folks who emerged on the Cape frontier during the 1700s from the nomadic Trekboers ] & also included the Anglophones by JBM Hertzog’s [ a Cape Dutch who fought in the side of the Boers ] definition.
Theuns Cloete of Boervolk Radio rightly noted in 2007 that “the Afrikaners stole our [ Boer ] heritage by various different means”. in an American shortwave radio program called The Right Perspective. This is because when the Afrikaners rose to power in South Africa [ a macro State created by the British ] they appropriated quite a bit of Boer history but prevented the Boers from obtaining self determination as the Afrikaner establishment purposely prevented the Boers from reclaiming the Boer Republics during the 1940s when the Boers tried in MASSIVE numbers to get back their republics.
The Boers are only about one third of the total White Afrikaans population thus are marginalized by the dispossessing Afrikaner designation. The Cape Dutch have never had a freedom struggle while the Boers have had numerous freedom struggles. Which is why when Boers go forward as Afrikaners: they are DOOMING any prospect they could ever have at reacquiring their subverted independence self determination. The Boers people are facing an incredible obstacle by the Afrikaner establishment as the Cape Dutch are the ones with the money & power while the Boers never rose much higher than the working class & are shut out of power.
The Boers live in the more densely populated regions of South Africa thus are facing the brunt of the genocide while the Cape Dutch are fairly concentrated among the Cape Coloured region of the Western Cape & are not being targeted for death as much. That is why the genocide is overwhelmingly a Boer genocide despite the tragic fact that the Boers have been largely indoctrinated to see themselves as being part of the artificial Afrikaner macro grouping.
Cloete also rightly notes that the Boers were ALSO under Apartheid as the Afrikaners dominated them & prevented them from exercising any true form of self determination. The Boer people were NEVER part of the Cape Dutch [ who are much larger ] & are marginalized under the dispossessing Afrikaner designation.
O no. Unfortunately that is not the full truth. It is far more detailed than that. The Cape Dutch are the ones who coalesced in & around Cape Town & were always pro Colonial while the Boers developed & emerged on the Cape frontier during the 1700s [ away from the Cape Dutch ] & were very anti-colonial. By the time of the Great Trek [ which was one of the term the Afrikaners used to dispossess the Boers of their own heritage ] the Boers had existed on the Cape frontier for over 150 years as a distinct & contiguous people! The Afrikaner regimes rarely ever spoke about the Trekboers [ the ancestors of the Boers ] as they were working on indoctrinating the Boers to see themselves as part of the artificial Afrikaner macro grouping. The Afrikaner domination of the Boer people is arguably the biggest problem facing the smaller Boer people / nation.
The whole point of my name Republican 1795 is to point out that the Boers’ first Boer Republics were established in 1795 on the Cape frontier as a result of a revolt against Dutch rule wherein the Cape Dutch were quite content with as they would also be with British rule which came later.
But the Cape Dutch and the Boers shared the same ancestors, didn’t they?
To a limited extent. The VOC dumped a lot of different nationalities at the Cape. The main groups the VOC brought being: German / Frisian / Danish / French Huguenot & Dutch. There was a bifurcation soon after the establishment of the Cape colony though. The poorest ones began to trek out of the society as “they could not cope in Colonial society” & chaffed the most under the autocratic VOC rule. There was a long wave of German immigrants to the Cape & when many of the ones who arrived in the 1700s - they settled directly on the Cape frontier where the Trekboers / Boers had emerged. Thus the Boers have definitely quite a bit more German roots than the Cape Dutch.
>The main groups the VOC brought being: German / Frisian / Danish / French Huguenot & Dutch.
Those groups are the ancestors of both the Boers and Cape Dutch, to varying proportions?
>Thus the Boers have definitely quite a bit more German roots than the Cape Dutch.
I’ve heard that not all Boers are Calvinist. Some are Lutheran or other religions.
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