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Kerry in Israel: Give Up Jordan Valley — Count on Us
FrontPage Magazine ^ | December 6, 2013 | P. David Hornik

Posted on 12/06/2013 5:29:48 AM PST by SJackson

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Kerry in Israel: Give Up Jordan Valley — Count on Us

Posted By P. David Hornik On December 6, 2013 @ 12:40 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage | No Comments

Secretary of State John Kerry paid yet another visit to Israel on Thursday. Reports described him as hoping to “salvage” the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. Many people, particularly in Israel, had already predicted that, with the Palestinians—just as in 1937, 1948, 2000-01, and 2008—incapable of coming to terms with the Jewish state’s existence, there would be nothing to salvage in the first place.

Kerry’s timing was flawed in a more specific sense as well, with Iran, in recent weeks, having “totally eclipsed” the Palestinian issue in Jerusalem. Kerry was described as reassuring Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu that, despite the interim deal with the mullahs, the sanctions on Iran would not significantly erode.

On that score, there are about as many optimists among Israeli officialdom as there are Fatah members who celebrate Israeli Independence Day.

It was not enough, though, that Israel—like the Sunni states in the region—was stunned and appalled first by President Obama’s highly public flip-flop on Syria and then by the fatally flawed deal with Iran(retired Admiral James A. Lyons has given one of the best analyses of what’s wrong with it). In this atmosphere, Kerry also made it his business on Thursday to outline security arrangements for Israel—after the rise of the putative Palestinian state—in the Jordan Valley itself.

Israel’s Army Radio reported that officials from the U.S. Agency for International Development are already stationed in the Jordan Valley to learn about security arrangements. Kerry, in his press conference with Netanyahu, said U.S. Gen. John Allen had already been offering Netanyahu his “thoughts” on the issue.

If not for the Palestinians’ repeatedly demonstrated inability to reach an agreement even on the most generous Israeli terms possible, it would amount to a sinister attempt to ride roughshod over what Netanyahu—rightly—posits as a fundamental Israeli security need under any agreement: a continued Israeli, not foreign, military presence along the Jordan.

Meanwhile Palestinian spokeswoman Hanan Ashrawi, a member of the PLO Executive Committee, blasted what she called—of course—“U.S. bias in favor of Israel….” Ashrawi also called for another Geneva conference—like the one two weeks ago that served up nuclear-threshold-state status to Iran—to “end the occupation and establish a Palestinian state….”

Anything else, Ashrawi warned, would “plunge the entire region into violence….”

One observation prompted by those words is that much of the region—particularly Syria and Iraq, but with Lebanon and Egypt hardly free of the affliction—is already “plunged into violence” without the slightest input from the “Palestinian issue” that somehow, despite all the slings and arrows reality can deliver, retains such mythic status in Washington.

Another is that, even with Washington already having pressured Israel into releasing batches of convicted Palestinian terrorists from prison, and now pressuring it to contract to a width of nine miles and give up its vital security border, the Palestinian accusation that the U.S. is actually taking Israel’s side, seasoned with a threat of cataclysmic violence, surfaces again in a way that is predictable, inevitable, de rigueur—and, for all that, ignored by those mystically convinced that securing Palestinian goals is a supreme interest.

And so, on Friday, John Kerry again flies off, leaving Israel to cope with regional reality. A reality in which Israel had been muddling through with the Palestinian issue more or less successfully—that is, until Kerry’s recent initiative revived tensions and instability; a reality in which Iran is laughing and gloating its way to a future without sanctions and with all its nuclear capabilities intact.



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1 posted on 12/06/2013 5:29:48 AM PST by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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2 posted on 12/06/2013 5:30:02 AM PST by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we donÂ’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: SJackson

Suicide by any other name. The Jordan Valley? Dear G-d.


3 posted on 12/06/2013 5:37:24 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: SJackson

If I said what should be done to Mr. Lurch and Mr. Zero, I’d be in violation of Nature.

In a completely natural way, since it would involve ants and bee products.


4 posted on 12/06/2013 5:39:23 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: SJackson
Dear world,

We, the PEOPLE of The United States of America, do not authorize John Kerry to negotiate for us.

We respectfully request you break off all talks and deport him immediately.

5 posted on 12/06/2013 5:41:00 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: SJackson

Not just no - Hell NO


6 posted on 12/06/2013 5:44:58 AM PST by rdcbn
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To: SJackson

Charlie Brown reeeeeeeally wants to kick that football, but a word of advice............

DONT!


7 posted on 12/06/2013 5:46:37 AM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a lie, mohammed was a criminal, shira is poison)
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To: SJackson

Israel will never give up the Jordan; it would lead to instant destruction.


8 posted on 12/06/2013 5:46:51 AM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: SJackson

Bibi ought to tell Kerry, as soon as you honor all the treaties you broke with native Americans over the last 400 years then maybe we will talke about ceding over land we won in a war. Oh yeah the land you got from Mexico in the 1840s as well...
Freegards
LEX


9 posted on 12/06/2013 5:48:06 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: SJackson

Mexico to Kerry: Give back the Western United States!


10 posted on 12/06/2013 5:51:51 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: SJackson

Dividing the land that God restored as promised to Israel (the second time - Isaiah 11:11) is how and why (and when) the end comes when it does,

The nations involved are judged, and the whole earth suffers from that point forward,

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.” Isaiah 24:5


11 posted on 12/06/2013 6:04:58 AM PST by captmar-vell
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To: SJackson

How do you negotiate with people that still observe Nakba Day?


12 posted on 12/06/2013 7:10:32 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: captmar-vell

I have a solution that benefits everyone.

1. Egypt cedes Sinai to the new country of Palestine.
2. The country has to be 100% green.
3. The new country has to be demilitarized.
4. The new country can have both shipping and an airport.

Israel now has a secured border. The Palestinians have a country. The Egyptians have a secured border. The west has an investment in experimental green technology.


13 posted on 12/06/2013 7:19:05 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Senator Cruz basically made the Democrats fight for a whole bunch of things that they already had.")
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To: SJackson

Memo to Bibi: Give up nothing.


14 posted on 12/06/2013 7:21:27 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SJackson

I see the Middle East Peace Plan roll-out is moving along about a successfully as the 0bamacare web-site roll-out...


15 posted on 12/06/2013 7:51:09 AM PST by Gritty (You can't fix crazy any more than you can fix stupid. Obamacare was never going to work.-Steve Deace)
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To: SJackson; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Yaelle; pabianice; nickcarraway; doug from upland; Netz; tedbel; ..
"Jordan Valley?" Can someone be more specific geographically about what territory Kerry is talking about? Maybe show it on a map?

Sounds like an unacceptable proposal from Israel's perspective, to put it diplomatically. Wouldn't be surprised if it was formulated originally by J Street, the pro-Obama, anti-Israel "Jewish" organization based in DC.

16 posted on 12/06/2013 2:07:36 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

http://www.goisrael.com/Tourism_Eng/Tourist%20Information/Discover%20Israel/Geographic%20Regions/Pages/The%20Jordan%20Valley.aspx

thats the best I could find.

I say we give the ‘pals” john kerry and call it even.


17 posted on 12/06/2013 2:22:52 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: justiceseeker93
Pretty much the valley along the Jordan river (both sides, don't tell Kerry) from the Sea of Gallilee to the Dead Sea. You could find it on google maps, there's a map of sorts here. Big chunk in the north is in Israel which I'm sure Kerry would be glad to see Israel cede in the interest of a smaller Israel. I'm sure he's not talking about the east slope since it's in Jordan. Lots of Jews live in Samaria, Kerry would choke on that work, just throw them out. The big question is how far west the palestinians would claim it extends. Likely to the Mediterranean.
18 posted on 12/06/2013 4:00:37 PM PST by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we donÂ’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: SJackson

The big question is how far west the palestinians would claim it extends. Likely to the Mediterranean.

As THEY say, From the River to the Sea.
Not much room for doubt there.


19 posted on 12/06/2013 4:06:09 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: justiceseeker93

The key valley that runs North-South between Israel and Jordan (off the top of my head). There was a great “paper” or monograph written on the need for Israel’s retention of key mountain positions on the West Bank which are natural attack passage points, esp. for tanks. Written in the late 1980’s or early 1990’s.

Explains why Israeli settlements there are key checkpoints at chokepoints re an invasion from the East Bank. The photos/maps/diagrams tell it all. My chances of finding it right now are less than nil (if you want to come over and go through about 75-100 file books, and clean out some racoon poop at the same time, come on over, come on it).

However, I’ll Google the topic and see if I can identify it for you.


20 posted on 12/06/2013 4:57:03 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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