Posted on 12/03/2013 6:48:56 AM PST by oxcart
Your mouth to God’s ear. I have no faith in the system at this point. We have an entire class that beleives themselves to be above the law and with good reason. They don’t have to answer to anyone. Even the Supreme Court has become a mockery; the Congress of cowards is even worse.
The democrat leadership didn’t take down Nixon - the press took him down... And the press is staring to take an interest in Obama. It’s a small snowball rolling down a very large hill.
The democrat leadership didn’t take down Nixon - the press took him down... And the press is staring to take an interest in Obama. It’s a small snowball rolling down a very large hill.
Sorry, that’s wishful thinking. I saw a bit of the Today show today and there was NOTHING about the numerous kenyan scandals. All fluff. The press won’t be taking down the kenyan. The beltway GOP is in a holding pattern enjoying the cocktail parties and waiting for Nov. 2014. Nothing will happen to those who assaulted us.
The “best” outcome is the GOP taking the Senate and even then they won’t be engaging the kenyan. Then they will tell us wait until 2016. McConnell already did in fact. The beltway GOP simply has no interest in being an engaged opposition party to obama and the rampaging Dems.
Just more dog and pony show from the House Pubes......Nothing get’s resolved, nobody is held accountable, no department has their funding cut or eliminated....just some camera time for everyone involved in the hearings.
The Founding Fathers must be looking on down at us going WTF!
Can someone tell me if Issa's accomplished anything besides being one of Greta's most frequent guests?
How can you tell the difference between a serious attempt to route out the corruption and a dog and pony show for the bubbas in flyover country...? In one, there is zero funding provided to the FBI until they cooperate with the investigation. In the other, you get strongly worded statements at a press conference. This is bullshit. Don’t fall for it.
In other news, rain is wet.
So IRS, FBI and ‘justice’ are all corrupt..
True the Vote ping, thanks oxcart.
We live in the Age of Mistrust. You simply cannot trust government at all at any level. Where do you take a case about the FBI obstruction to? Justice Dept? It’s nuts.
No kidding? What was your first clue?
Bastiat was a brilliant man well worth reading and consideration.
If Glenn Beck were a congress-critter his name would be Issa. Both are masters of hype who never deliver the promised goods.
I always wonder why there is not one person who works for the government who is willing to come forward and speak the truth.
Politicians are masters at saying the words we want to hear while doing nothing of substance.
IMPEACHMENT will get attention.
A state of lawlessness means just that. When there is no law controlling the “authorities” there is no law controlling anyone, just etiquette and that won’t last long. Folks like Issa and Holder just haven’t spent enough time thinking things through, IMHO. They had an opportunity to “do the right thing” and for whatever reason squandered it. I suspect they felt they couldn’t live with the consequences of doing the right thing. Now the will discover that they should have. In fact, the suffering will be much worse than whatever it was they were trying to avoid. Like ignoring a dental cavity, the pain you were trying to avoid becomes an abscess. Not only painful but life threatening.
“Well Dumb-Dumb, issue a subpoena and if not responded to have them arrested.”
What happens when Holder orders the FBI not to carry out arrest warrants and the agents comply?
Congress has no armed muscle to physically confront the executive branch. Congress is a toothless tiger. Only the states have the manpower and the arms to take on an out-of-control executive. I do wish conservatives would understand that and stop moaning about the ineffectual congress. Conservatives need to get off their fat butts, stop worshipping Mammon and take back their town, city and county councils.
Congress does not rely upon any other Branch to enforce punishment of those who obstruct it’s business.
DOJ and FBI are agencies of the Executive Branch.
Ignoring a Congressional subpoena is Contempt of Congress and subjects the person to arrest by the Sargent at Arms.
Holder has been found in Contempt by the House, the House could direct its Sargent at Arms to arrest Holder wherever he is found.
“Ignoring a Congressional subpoena is Contempt of Congress and subjects the person to arrest by the Sargent at Arms.”
My question still stands, Ray76: What does the Congressional sergeant at arms do if the FBI blocks his entry into the DOJ to arrest Holder?
You’re assuming that this criminal executive branch follows the law, but every indication shows otherwise. The EPA bureaucrats are breaking the law. The IRS refuses to obey the law. The FBI is in open revolt against their lawful charter. The fascist NSA should be attacked by the 101st Airborne and arrested or shot.
We are dealing with a completely lawless leftist bureaucracy that has been unleashed by the criminal obuma. You best have more than a sergeant at arms to bring these fascist bureaucrats to heel.
Holder has been found in Contempt by the House, the House could direct its Sargent at Arms to arrest Holder wherever he is found.
I believe the House Sergeant At Arms' authority to arrest and detain persons does not extend beyond the boundaries of Capitol Hill.
I.e., he can't walk into the DOJ and handcuff the bastard.
U.S. Supreme Court
Jurney v. MacCracken - 294 U.S. 125 (1935)
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEAL
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Syllabus
1. The power of a House of Congress to punish a private citizen who obstructs the performance of its legislative duties is not limited to the removal of an existing obstruction, but continues after the obstruction has ceased or its removal has become impossible. P. 294 U. S. 147.
Held in this case that the Senate had power to cite for contempt a witness charged with having permitted the removal and destruction of papers which he had been subpoenaed to produce.
2. The Act making refusal to answer or to produce papers before either House, or one of its committees, a misdemeanor (R.S. § 102) did not impair, but supplemented, the power of the House affected to punish for such contempt. P. 294 U. S. 151.
3. Punishment, purely as such, through contempt proceedings, legislative or judicial, is not precluded because punishment may also be inflicted for the same act as a statutory offence. P. 294 U. S. 151.
4. Where a proceeding for contempt is within the jurisdiction of a House of Congress, the questions whether the person arrested is guilty or has so far purged himself that he does not deserve punishment are questions for that House to decide, and which cannot be inquired into by a court by a writ of habeas corpus. P. 294 U. S. 152.
63 App.D.C. 342 72 F. 2d 560, reversed.
Supreme Court, D.C., affirmed.
Certiorari, 293 U.S. 543, to review the reversal of a judgment discharging a writ of habeas corpus by which the above-named respondent sought to gain his release from the custody of the above-named petitioner, the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Senate.
MR. JUSTICE BRANDEIS delivered the opinion of the Court.
This petition for a writ of habeas corpus was brought in the Supreme Court of the District of Columbia by William P. MacCracken, Jr., against Chesley W. Jurney, the Sergeant at Arms of the Senate of the United States. The writ issued; the body of the petitioner was produced before that court, and the case was then heard on demurrer to the petition. The trial court discharged the writ and dismissed the petition. The Court of Appeals, two justices dissenting, reversed that judgment and remanded the case to the Supreme Court of the District with directions to discharge the prisoner from custody. 63 App.D.C. 342, 72 F.2d 560. This Court granted certiorari because of the importance of the question presented.
The petition alleges that McCracken was, on February 12, 1934, arrested, and is held, under a warrant issued on February 9, 1934, after MacCracken had respectfully declined to appear before the bar of the Senate in response to a citation served upon him pursuant to Resolution 172, adopted by the Senate on February 5, 1934. The resolution provides:
“Resolved, That the President of the Senate issue a citation directing William P. MacCracken, Jr., L. H. Brittin, Gilbert Givven, and Harris M. Hanshue to show cause why they should not be punished for contempt of the Senate on account of the destruction and removal of certain papers, files, and memorandums from the files of William P. MacCracken, Jr., after a subpoena had been served upon William P. MacCracken, Jr., as shown by the report of the Special Senate Committee Investigating Ocean and Air Mail Contracts.”
It is conceded that the Senate was engaged in an inquiry which it had the constitutional power to make; that the committee [Footnote 1] had authority to require the production of papers as a necessary incident of the power of legislation, and that the Senate had the power to coerce their production by means of arrest. McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U. S. 135. No question is raised as to the propriety of the scope of the subpoena duces tecum, or as to the regularity of any of the proceedings which preceded the arrest. Etc.... Continued at http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/294/125/case.html
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