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Dispute Over Gay Marriage Erupts in Cheney Family
NY Times ^ | November 17, 2013 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 11/18/2013 6:45:04 AM PST by C19fan

They were the towheaded sisters who tagged along on campaigns, polite and smiling, as their father rose through Wyoming and then Washington politics to become one of the most powerful men in the country.

“We were as close as sisters can be,” recalled Mary Cheney of her relationship with her older sister, Liz.

But now, a feud between the two has spilled into public view, involving social media, an angry same-sex spouse, a high-profile election and a father who feels uncomfortably caught between his two children.

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Texas; US: Virginia; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: 2014issues; 2014midterms; cheney; cheney2014; enzi; gay; gopprimary; homosexualagenda; lizcheney; mikeenzi; wy2014; wyoming
I do not live in Wyoming but I as an outsider I see nothing wrong with Enzi. He actually will provide some election winning ads because he proposed an amendment when ObamaCare as in Congress to codify Obama's promise back then one could keep your plan. All these Red State Democratic senates now running away from ObamaCare, for example Pryor and Landrieu, voted down Enzi's amendment. I do not trust Liz Cheney. She was born in, raised in and of the Beltway. I have a feeling if somehow she won and safe in the Senate seat she will pull a Portman and switch sides on gay marriage and I bet a bunch of other issues too.
1 posted on 11/18/2013 6:45:04 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

I miss the closet thing. People should not be proud of their vile little choice, but be allowed to do it in the privacy of their homes without fear of arrest or violence.

What’s happening today is the Saul Alinsky plan to destroy America from within.


2 posted on 11/18/2013 6:51:13 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: C19fan
Somewhere in Wyo. there must be someone similar to Ted Cruz who will step forward to help slay the DC Dragon.

Until then, Enzi should do. Enzi voted with Cruz and against McConnell when it counted.

3 posted on 11/18/2013 6:51:17 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: C19fan

This is the Times trying to cause some BS in the Wy senate race. I think the Cheney family has been aware of their “disputes” on this subject for quite awhile. I believe his excellency said he was against fagdom before he said he was in favor of it. Did you see any blather of it in the Times???


4 posted on 11/18/2013 6:52:29 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: C19fan

The problem with Enzi is his voting record, in the 70’s and going down. Unfortunately, his opponent would probably be worse, so Enzi will get reelected and then continue in the direction of a Thad Cochran, a Richard Lugar, a John Warner.

Enzi (WY) - 08/19/14 - 76% (Average) - 74% (Heritage) - 71% (CFG) - 82% (FreedomWorks)


5 posted on 11/18/2013 6:52:45 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Mouton

In an interview with Mike Wallace, Liz said that she and her sister disagree on the issue of gay marriage but that there is no rancor in the family about it.


6 posted on 11/18/2013 6:57:08 AM PST by Mountain Mary ("Where Liberty Dwells, There Is My Country". Ben Franklin)
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To: C19fan

Just keep the devil you know. This can’t be good for the good folks in Wyoming but they will get to decide it. My opinion? If I was a resident there I wouldn’t want to know these things or wonder if my Senator would “evolve” on the issue that I based my vote on. We don’t need any more squishes in congress


7 posted on 11/18/2013 6:58:31 AM PST by SaintDismas
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To: C19fan
I have a feeling if somehow she won and safe in the Senate seat

I don't get the impression that she waffles.

She's been pretty unambiguous in her conservative positions for years.

8 posted on 11/18/2013 7:00:32 AM PST by what's up
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To: Vaquero
Once Homosexuality is stripped of its anti-stablishment hipness; once it looses its taboo status and becomes more or less accepted, it will cease to have the allure and attractiveness that many young rebellious people now find appealing.

Unfortunately in the meantime many young people are being caught up in this lifestyle choice, as a form of rebellion or an attempt to create an identity for themselves apart from the mainstream.

There will be many victims, destroyed lives and unhappy people who turn to homosexuality as a means of appearing cool and counter-cultured.

The inevitable mainstreaming of this de-humanizing lifestyle choice will eventually mean that it will loose its popularity as a way of being “different.”

9 posted on 11/18/2013 7:06:56 AM PST by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: Paladin2
Until then, Enzi should do. Enzi voted with Cruz and against McConnell when it counted.

Only because Liz Cheney is in the race!

10 posted on 11/18/2013 7:27:28 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: what's up
She's been pretty unambiguous in her conservative positions for years.

Then let her work her way up and prove herself in state government before getting into a Federal office.

11 posted on 11/18/2013 7:30:56 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: Mouton

It’s Kabuki theater, IMHO.

What impact does this “attack” really have other than to raise Liz’s profile as a Conservative in a Conservative state where she’s primarying an “acceptable” Conservative?

All planned and coordinated, I think.


12 posted on 11/18/2013 7:32:08 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: pgkdan
Cornyn wasn't there for vote #1.

Enzi has been there too long, but it would be better to have a native challenge him than someone who "lives" in Teton County (went for 0bama).

13 posted on 11/18/2013 7:35:05 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Awgie

Can’t have it. Can’t let these people breed and raise kids as if they were normL. It will destroy our western culture and create a vacuum that will be filled by sharia law or some such 5th century nonsense.

Let them cavort in private but legitimizing it will destroy our society.


14 posted on 11/18/2013 7:36:10 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: aimhigh
Then let her work her way up and prove herself in state government before getting into a Federal office.

Or by actually living among her future constituents for a while before running for office and claiming she knows what's good for them. She was not born in Wyoming, never really lived in Wyoming before she decided to run for the Senate, and then settled down in Jackson Hole, with neighbors about as far from average people as you can get.

15 posted on 11/18/2013 7:40:37 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: C19fan

Agreed!


16 posted on 11/18/2013 7:51:41 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: C19fan

I too do not live in Wyoming. As an an outsider I have been dismayed at the direction that State seems to have taken for the past decade or so.I don’t know how much of that to blame on Enzi Nor how much positive change Cheny could affect. I think she is beguiling when she finds no problem reconciling her position on same sex unions.(I refuse to recognize such as “marriage” My problem is the piece seems to advance the gay agenda by favoring the position of the Reprobates.Marriage has until lately been a States right issue. DOMA was passed to affirm States Rights. Christmas is a Holiday associated with the birth of Christ. Nowhere in the Sacred Writ: does Christ— or any other, advocate for the fraud of same sex “marriage” .IT is “fornication” it is an “abomination unto the Lord ,and Worthy of Death. No doubt the Cheny sisters love each other even as I love my only son.But I have No respect for any who would compromise the Law dictated by God,Himself to accommodate Sin.


17 posted on 11/18/2013 7:52:32 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: C19fan

I too do not live in Wyoming. As an an outsider I have been dismayed at the direction that State seems to have taken for the past decade or so.I don’t know how much of that to blame on Enzi Nor how much positive change Cheny could affect. I think she is beguiling when she finds no problem reconciling her position on same sex unions.(I refuse to recognize such as “marriage” My problem is the piece seems to advance the gay agenda by favoring the position of the Reprobates.Marriage has until lately been a States right issue. DOMA was passed to affirm States Rights. Christmas is a Holiday associated with the birth of Christ. Nowhere in the Sacred Writ: does Christ— or any other, advocate for the fraud of same sex “marriage” .IT is “fornication” it is an “abomination unto the Lord ,and Worthy of Death. No doubt the Cheny sisters love each other even as I love my only son.But I have No respect for any who would compromise the Law dictated by God,Himself to accommodate Sin.


18 posted on 11/18/2013 7:53:08 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: what's up

I respectfully disagree. Mary is dead set and intransigent in her positions as are all homosexuals. The bond between these two sisters is a powerful one and Liz will cave in time. She probably already has internally. If Dick caved to hold on to his daughter Mary’s love, Liz will.


19 posted on 11/18/2013 7:57:24 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: C19fan

Bingo. Enzi is a political operator, he veers right for elections. Remember that internet tax BS? However, I would prefer him to a wild card like Cheney who might betray us in a heartbeat.

We’ll get Enzi next time if he doesn’t retire. Leave him be for now.


20 posted on 11/18/2013 8:11:14 AM PST by Viennacon
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The idea that we all have to accept everything about one another is absurd. Why on earth is it earth shattering to hear siblings disagree with each other, as if that means they hate each other? Why should Liz have to say she’s for something if she’s not. To me, she’s far more brave than her sister. Anyone who does not support the gay agenda is far more brave these days than anyone being praised for their bravery in coming out.


21 posted on 11/18/2013 8:33:25 AM PST by sappy (criminaldems)
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To: Cen-Tejas
The bond between these two sisters is a powerful one and Liz will cave in time

I have some siblings with which I have a close bond. However, they take many anti-conservative stances which I have never agreed with. It's hard but you have to endure.

I don't "cave". I press on because I believe in truth. Liz shows character in disagreeing with her sister and father.

22 posted on 11/18/2013 9:23:23 AM PST by what's up
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To: Awgie
Unfortunately in the meantime many young people are being caught up in this lifestyle choice, as a form of rebellion or an attempt to create an identity for themselves apart from the mainstream.

Yep. Kind of like the tattoo culture (though way more serious). A lot of people got tattoos as a way to rebel; now that they are older they are sorry they did such a stupid thing.

The inevitable mainstreaming of this de-humanizing lifestyle choice will eventually mean that it will loose its popularity as a way of being “different.”

I agree with this. My guess is that there will be several high-profile scandals involving gays that will absolutely disgust the public. From that point on the movement is dead.

23 posted on 11/18/2013 9:28:33 AM PST by what's up
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Liz Cheney is pro-gay marriage and has been for years.

Liz Cheney has been pushing gay marriage, and homosexualizing the military for years, she supports the state department gay marriage actions, she opposed DOMA and a constitutional amendment, she has never, during all of her years of politics and TV appearances, including joining the Romney campaign in 2008, ever voiced a pro-life position, until this campaign.

Suddenly, to hide years of Liz advocating for gay marriage, suddenly the Cheneys have their first public feud, getting out the news that they are fighting over gay marriage because Liz is against it.

This Romney campaigning 101.

Unlike Enzi, the 46-year-old daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney supports the right for states to legalize gay marriage. At least that’s what she said in 2009, in an interview with MSNBC, of all places. At that was a time when the notion of same-sex marriage had considerably less support.

And that has even Daily Kos writer Scott Welch offering at least limited praise for Liz Cheney. Cheney, Welch writes:

“”Well, look I think, you know, my family has been very clear about this, that we think freedom means freedom for everybody and that this is an issue that states have to decide for themselves.””

“”She went on to reiterate opposition to a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, expressed support for the State Department’s extension of benefits to same-sex couples, and said, ‘I think it’s wrong to discriminate, in those relationships, based on someone’s sexual preference.’ Additionally, she supported repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.””


24 posted on 11/18/2013 11:29:34 AM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: C19fan

Does Cheney want to “marry” his new heart?


25 posted on 11/18/2013 1:26:32 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Vaquero
Can’t have it. Can’t let these people breed and raise kids as if they were normL. It will destroy our western culture and create a vacuum that will be filled by sharia law or some such 5th century nonsense.

Let them cavort in private but legitimizing it will destroy our society.
How exactly do you propose putting that genie back in its bottle?
26 posted on 11/18/2013 3:26:54 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: what's up

I don’t “cave”. I press on because I believe in truth. Liz shows character in disagreeing with her sister and father.

I agree with everything you say IF LIZ IS BEING HONEST WITH LIZ AND HER CONSTITUENTS. I suspect she is not.

I wish I were wrong but I don’t think I am. I wish that because we do need, and Wyoming needs, another strong conservative in the Senate to help clean up lots of messes. Probably where I am coming from is so many politicians run as white horses and turn into Zebras the day after election.


27 posted on 11/18/2013 4:43:18 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Awgie

They decriminalized adultery and fornication, and we are experiencing the natural fallout of that.


28 posted on 11/18/2013 4:56:17 PM PST by Burkean (.)
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To: Cen-Tejas
I don’t “cave”. I press on because I believe in truth. Liz shows character in disagreeing with her sister and father.

That isn't true, she doesn't disagree with her family and she shows that she is a liar with no character.

No wonder you ignored post 24.

29 posted on 11/18/2013 6:09:26 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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She is all for the perverts. I’d never vote for her. Enzi is better but why can’t Wyoming do better and elect a solid conservative?


30 posted on 11/18/2013 8:07:45 PM PST by opres
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To: C19fan

I oppose having royal families in the USA and having any Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Kennedy, etc offspring or spouse running for office. One family member should preclude another from running or being appointed to high government office. It’s just the way I feel and vote. She’d never get my vote. Nepotism always leads to corruption


31 posted on 11/19/2013 9:30:07 PM PST by apoliticalone
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