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In Israel, Hollande says France wonít waver on Iran
Times of Israel ^ | November 17, 2013, 4:54 pm | Lazar Berman, Raphael Ahren, Adiv Sterman

Posted on 11/17/2013 7:39:49 AM PST by Dave346

French president receives hero’s welcome for taking tough stance on Tehran’s nuclear program; Netanyahu: Paris is a ‘true friend’

France will uphold economic sanctions on Iran as long as the Islamic Republic does not prove it has taken serious steps toward curbing its nuclear program, French President Francois Hollande said Sunday at the opening of a state visit to Israel.

“France will not make concessions on nuclear proliferation,” Hollande pledged during a ceremony at Ben Gurion International Airport, upon his arrival. “France will maintain all its measures and sanctions until we are certain that Iran has renounced nuclear weapons.”

The French president arrived Sunday for a high-profile visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories in the midst of ongoing deliberations over Iran’s nuclear program.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu welcomed Hollande, and praised the French president’s dedication to the Jewish state. ”Israel sees in France a true friend,” he said at the ceremony. The prime minister went on to warn of the dangers of a nuclear-armed Iran, saying it “wouldn’t just endanger Israel and the countries in the Middle East but it would also endanger France, Europe and the entire world.”

“You, Mr. President, display an aggressive stance against Syria and also against Iran’s unceasing efforts to arm itself with a nuclear weapon,” Netanyahu continued, addressing Hollande in an allusion to reports that France had scuttled a deal with Iran in nuclear talks earlier this month in Geneva.

Later Sunday, Hollande was set to meet with Netanyahu to discuss a new round of nuclear talks with Iran slated for Wednesday in Geneva. He is also expected to deliver a speech in the Knesset later this week.

France apparently blocked what its foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, called “a sucker’s deal,”

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bomb; france; iran; israel; nuclear; obama; terror; war
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1 posted on 11/17/2013 7:39:49 AM PST by Dave346
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To: Dave346

gotta give credit where credit is due the frogs stood up and did the right thing for whatever reason


2 posted on 11/17/2013 7:42:54 AM PST by jneesy (rough seas make skillful sailors)
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To: jneesy

Maybe His Excellency should pay them a social visit. That should make them vote against his ideas even more!

I guess just like the French Fleet off of Yorktown, they have their Fleet now sybolically off of Haifa.


3 posted on 11/17/2013 7:47:35 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: jneesy

The French marched on Paris in the hundreds of thousands against gay marriage.

They give the liberal Hollande a 15% approval rating, don’t know what they think of this particular vote, I imagine he feels a lot of opposition.

They have no respect for Obama, I imagine, don’t know.

Americans tend to hate the French. It always seems to be a result of bigotry or ignorance. I don’t know, what is it?

We can never figure it out.

When we go to France, we go to places we want to see war memorials, shrines, museums, and we stay in good hotels, and eat locally (not mcdonalds like our friends do), we shop at the department stores and, our favorite, Monoprix, and we speak French.

We went to Normandy with a group, our friends drove us in their van. He was looking for, and complaining that there was no McDonalds.

sigh.

We went to a restaurant ON Utah Beach and had the best fish and white wine one could ask for in a pull over and eat something lunch.

Our proprietor there and at the B&B were wonderful and very nice to us.

Normandy is preserved. you could be there 70 years ago, you can imagine it.

On to Carentan, where the Airborne dropped in on DDay.

The churches had their stained glass windows blown out in the bombing, and had been replaced by local artisans with images of paratroopers.

I just don’t get why Americans hate the French.


4 posted on 11/17/2013 7:59:14 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

My buddy was on a wine buying expedition for his company on May 15th near the Rhine. He said it was like a national US holiday there. It may be almost 60 years since VE day but those from those areas love the US. Perhaps those in Paris feel otherwise but their distain for non French speaking peoples is universal.


5 posted on 11/17/2013 8:08:56 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: stanne

I think to some extent the French like to take an opposition stance to the US.

I can still remember how a decade ago the French stabbed Bush in the back over Iraq. But it’s easy when the US plays a leading role in defending Western values for the Europeans to call us cowboys and preen arrogantly about peace in our time.

When the US abdicates that leadership role and elects a radical Islamist to the White House not once but twice, the Europeans are finally forced to stand up for their own interests. There was a big leadership void, and if it wasn’t the French it could’ve just as easily been the British or Germans.


6 posted on 11/17/2013 8:14:45 AM PST by Dave346
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To: Dave346

The French are individual thinkers and they’ll take an opposing side when their interests are in mind. I guess I admire that.

The Germans HATED Bush. the Germans on the street, that is. I would ask them, ‘what do you care? he’s not your president?’.

There’s just such a different standard for the French.


7 posted on 11/17/2013 8:24:04 AM PST by stanne
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To: Dave346

Hollande is a rot gut socialist hack of a failure but give him credit on this one-—even if he is appeasing right wing sentinments.


8 posted on 11/17/2013 8:28:46 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Mouton

Well, you said something there.

Why people refuse to speak a little bit of another language is most embarrassing.

I was in a shop and two American women were so snobby and rude, condescending it was mortifying.

I said, ‘the word you might want to use is ‘Merci’. The shopkeeper smiled at me.

I was outraged at the disdain Americans think they can get away with.

And yet, here, I am treated in the same way, in my own country for not speaking Spanish. I am a war veteran, no one could care any less that I don’t agree with giving our language away.

I see clearly that is the French had given way to English it would be their language , the way we Americans are giving away ours.

The WWII Vets would be disgusted with us.


9 posted on 11/17/2013 8:29:22 AM PST by stanne
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To: Mouton

If you go to the French countryside and of the regular path in Paris, and say Merci and s’il vous plait, and ask them to just decide for you what lunch to eat and smile, you would see a difference.

The Germans are nice to Americans, and when they have to endure our terrible driving, butchering of their language and snobbiness, they talk about us behind our backs. The French just like to be snobby back to us on the spot.

I have never been to the Eiffel Tower and I avoid Notre Dame, and the Louvre.

There ARE other places to go where the locals are not burnt out on pushy Americans and where they are very happy to see us being slightly curious about what makes France interesting.


10 posted on 11/17/2013 8:38:34 AM PST by stanne
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To: Dave346
lots of people had doubts about Iraq. About Afghanistan, no one had doubts

In hindsight, it was better to keep a secular evil dictator like Saddam in charge rather than a govt that cuddles up to Iran and which has thousands of people killed a year in a low-key civil war

After afghanistan, Pakistan should have been next

11 posted on 11/17/2013 8:47:34 AM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Dave346

Even Obama should be embarrassed to have less backbone than the French. Or is it possible that France will (finally) rise again?

12 posted on 11/17/2013 8:48:17 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

Wasn’t Charles Martel a French General who drove the invading Islamic hordes out of Europe?


13 posted on 11/17/2013 9:23:21 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Dave346

Viva l’France!


14 posted on 11/17/2013 10:07:57 AM PST by Tzfat
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To: tflabo
Wasn’t Charles Martel a French General who drove the invading Islamic hordes out of Europe?

Good point. Perhaps if we recognize the France that used to be, they could rise again to that level.

15 posted on 11/17/2013 10:12:05 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Dave346

If Americans ever want their president to receive a hero’s welcome again in Israel they’ll have to vote Republican.

When Bibi Netanyahu hit the ceiling over Obama’s decision to embrace Iran, whose motto is ‘’Israel must be wiped off the map,’’ he seems to have dislodged some of the foggy delusions in his brain, including the one that says Barack Obama is a genuine ally of Israel, when in fact Obama is a leading member of the Louis Farrakhan wing of the Democratic party.


16 posted on 11/17/2013 11:05:00 AM PST by Bluestocking
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To: Dave346

When the socialist president of France is a better friend to Israel and tougher on the terrorist nation Iran with nukes than the president of the US, it’s a sad day indeed — for the US and Israel.


17 posted on 11/17/2013 1:16:30 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Dave346

Also breaking news on Voice of America:

Hollande to Israel: France Will Keep Sanctions on Iran

http://www.voanews.com/content/hollande-to-israel-france-will-keep-sanctions-on-iran/1791999.html

EXCERPT:

“French President Francois Hollande says his government will maintain sanctions and pressure against Iran until he is certain that it has renounced a suspected nuclear weapons program.

Mr. Hollande made the pledge to Israeli leaders after arriving in Israel Sunday “


18 posted on 11/17/2013 1:18:11 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: All

france trying to fill the void that dear leader is leaving before Putin steps in. Unlike Obama, France understands the danger of having a dominant power close by with no compulsion to throwing it around.


19 posted on 11/17/2013 1:46:24 PM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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Thanks Dave346.


20 posted on 11/17/2013 2:04:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Dave346

Whats the next debacle for John Effin Kerry? He’s about to
be peter principled out. I guess he has set a new record
for highest level obtained for incompetence ever. Though
Obama still is king, Kerry is giving him a good run for it.


21 posted on 11/17/2013 2:22:28 PM PST by Slambat
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To: Dave346

It’s very embarrassing that the French President has more balls than the American President. His own approval rating is worse than Obama’s.


22 posted on 11/17/2013 2:27:16 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: jneesy

The “whatever reason” is that France would be in the mushroom-cloud-fallout zone of most anything nuclear that went off in Asia Minor or around the Med. rim. That’s enough to keep the Frogz focused but I always wonder why we don’t hear anything from them with respect to NKorea?


23 posted on 11/17/2013 2:28:30 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Dave346

“Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite” (Every nation gets the government it deserves. Joseph de Maistre).


24 posted on 11/17/2013 4:03:43 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: stanne

Many of us ridiculed the French for avoiding participation in Iraq, but then the French sent soldiers to Afghanistan. Americans who show a more generalized and lasting hatred against the French tend to be those who identify more as Italians, Germans, Irish and English folks (from families of more recent immigrants from Europe—mostly fans of Rome). I lived in an American community of people like that for a few years. Interesting.


25 posted on 11/17/2013 4:20:10 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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26 posted on 11/17/2013 4:53:11 PM PST by SJackson (if you want to test a man’s character, give him power A Lincoln)
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To: stanne
"Americans tend to hate the French. It always seems to be a result of bigotry or ignorance. I don’t know, what is it?"

Charles André Joseph Marie de Gaulle an others since with his attitude.

27 posted on 11/17/2013 6:36:56 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: stanne; All
I just don’t get why Americans hate the French.

I haven't seen any polls on it lately, so I don't know the percentage of Americans who actually do hate the French. I'd guess that that percentage is smaller than you think. A large majority of Americans have never been to France and don't really know any French people. So they would probably have no opinion on that question.

The most common things that seem to tick off Americans about the French are (1) arrogance toward American tourists by some Frenchmen; (2) a feeling that France hasn't sufficiently repaid the US for saving her in both WWI and WWII - e.g., doesn't necessarily align herself with US geopolitical interests; and (3) in recent decades, France has admitted too many Muslim immigrants and tends to appease her domestic Muslim masses both in terms of her domestic law enforcement policies and her foreign policy toward the Islamic world.

28 posted on 11/17/2013 6:45:26 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: stanne
The French people's bad reputations for rudeness and arrogance is due almost entirely to the fact that most US tourists only see Paris and Parisians. Folks in the French countryside are some of the friendliest people you'll ever meet. You see more or less the same thing in Spain (Madrid vs. smaller cities/towns) and Italy.

Incidentally, France also did the right thing by putting down an Al Quaeda-backed uprising in Mali.

29 posted on 11/17/2013 6:47:46 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: familyop

The French were right with us in desert storm. All the way

To your second point, I grew up in an Irish, German, Italian, Jewish area , mixed with al different religions. I never encountered anti French, nor anti catholic, for that matter, sentiment until I got into the military, where, there is also the strongest catholic community, ironically, but understandably

And for years in Germany we went in and out of France heard so much ‘frogs this and froggies bla bla bla ‘ I never got it

Language? The French don’t care what people think they join fights on their merit?


30 posted on 11/17/2013 6:56:15 PM PST by stanne
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To: justiceseeker93

I don’t know about polls, but I’ve spent enough time with Americans in Europe to know that I have to prepare for incoming when it is mentioned. I can set my timer for an anti French, some kind of frog slur nothing forum

To your points, why Americans think they can just go into a country not attempting to blend in, just viewing it like a zoo, and then dictate the natives’ reaction is a question that can only be answered one way

We are mad that they didnt pay us? Really? When is Iraq and Afghanistan going to pay? Why don’t we have rights to Iraqi oil? Do we hate them?

And we don’t like them for not respecting their borders? Go to San Antonio any given Sunday evening any shopping center. The ‘poor’ immigrants are reaping and there is not only no one speaking English there is no one with a modicum of respect for Americans nor America. The shopkeepers are happy. They couldn’t care any less about what they’re ushering in nor what it means to their country nor tge country of their grandchildren

It is hypocritical so I think people just hate the French because they find it enjoyable it takes their minds off how we are falling short


31 posted on 11/17/2013 7:07:29 PM PST by stanne
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To: Paladin2

I can’t understand caring about their attitude. What do we care? What are we, their parents?

They’re snobby, so what how does that affect us? They have their country we have ours


32 posted on 11/17/2013 7:18:35 PM PST by stanne
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To: Bluestocking; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Jewbacca; MestaMachine; nickcarraway; Kaslin; Eleutheria5; ...
If Americans ever want their president to receive a hero’s welcome again in Israel they’ll have to vote Republican.

You are correct to say that there is a significantly greater reservoir of good will toward Israel within the Republican Party than the 'Rat Party (especially the Obamaton-dominated 'Rat Party), and so electing a GOP president is more likely to produce better American relations with Israel.

But, more generally speaking, in order to elect a Republican president again, election fraud and cheating must be diminished and GOP politicians must be alerted to this problem and should not be afraid to change election laws and procedures in order to improve the integrity of the voting system.

33 posted on 11/17/2013 7:27:01 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Dave346

Saudi Arabia sells oil and gas to anyone. They are impartial.
While Iran and Russia have geopolitical ambitions to put a dual choke hold on European energy supplies (and jack up prices) when you project out five years. Being the most advanced and industrialized European nation, Germany should have taken action. They didn’t so France did.

Also Iran can threaten France with missiles. Soon they will have nuclear weapons to put on these missiles. Then they will be able to make nuclear threats against France/Europe and Saudi Arabia


34 posted on 11/17/2013 7:46:48 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Mouton

It’s like the difference between NY City and rural NY.


35 posted on 11/17/2013 8:43:44 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: ek_hornbeck

Well said.

Here in the UK I would hate to be judged by London.


36 posted on 11/18/2013 12:33:34 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: stanne

I spent 10 of my 20 years in the Army stationed in Germany. I know a little about how Germans feel about us. My vote would say 90% of them hated us. They were glad we were keeping the Soviets out, but would rather we had done it from the eastern side of the wall, not the western side. They wanted us out. WE were a reminder of their stupidity of Hitler, and losing the war to what they felt were inferior peoples.


37 posted on 11/18/2013 5:30:31 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: RetiredArmy

Sure.

And they’re entitled to their feelings, and opinions. They were polite about it. There were some shopkeepers in town that would not speak English, regardless of how everyone here would say you don’t need to know German, everyone speaks English. Near base, these locals would not.

And I wish people here in Texas would do the same in regard to our native language-English, that is.

I learned German, and I mean I studied it and spoke it. They were very nice and polite to me, but I didn’t change anyone’s mind about Americans. I was simply a good ambassador, whatever that was worth.

Americans want everyone to like them or to treat them that way. But how would we like it if the Germans moved in on us, under those circumstances?

I wish we’d be a lot more that way toward the foreigners who are invading under illegal circumstances.

The French? Why should they be required to like us?

I guess people don’t like the French because they don’t feel the need to approve of us or like us. When I visit there, I have that attitude and I speak French, Not very well, but...so they’re polite to me. and I like France, but I’m told that I’m not supposed to do so.

Interesting, the Germans do have feelings, as you say , of some kind of embarrassment. Some old people, when I was there reminisced fondly about Hitler. Weird.

The young people Hated Bush, as if they have the right to an opinion about our leader. Did they wish to catch us being stupid about a leader and believe all the anti Bush Propaganda? If that’s the case, they are missing the mark, leftists that they tend to be. Hitler’s tactics were not right wing, they were leftist. Obama is the comparison.


38 posted on 11/18/2013 6:22:31 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Yes, I encountered nice Germans. Had German friends around us where we lived off base. But, I also encountered hateful Germans. I had a friend who was downtown Munich with his wife shopping. These two German women who worked in the store were standing off to the side, talking garbage about the #&#^@) #@*(W8RRt&^ Americans. They used every curse word that Germans have talking about my two friends. But, both just smiled at the Germans, pretended to not understand, BECAUSE MY FRIEND’S WIFE WAS GERMAN!!!! and he also spoke full German as she had taught him German, and just as he was ready to check out, he switched to full German, asked for the manager, and lowered the boom on both women with the boss standing there. He threatened to go to the Army and German authorities and file discrimination charges against the store and the store manager lost his mind, yelling at the two employees, promising to punish them if they would accept his apology. They tossed the stuff they were going to buy on the counter and walked out!! So, yes, there are good and bad in any society.


39 posted on 11/18/2013 7:32:55 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: agere_contra
Here in the UK I would hate to be judged by London.

Or imagine having the United States judged solely by NYC, especially Manhattan.

40 posted on 11/18/2013 8:14:34 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: RetiredArmy

I can imagine


41 posted on 11/18/2013 8:22:44 AM PST by stanne
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To: Dave346

What they going teach Israel how to surrender LOL!


42 posted on 11/18/2013 12:43:14 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Dave346

The world is truly upside-down when the most stomped-on Western nation in recorded history is taking at least some sort of meaningful stance against the barbarian horde. I suspect that since France doesn’t even have the Thames to bar a jihadi blitzkrieg, the reality is sinking in a bit harder.


43 posted on 11/18/2013 10:51:37 PM PST by Me1onCollie
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To: jneesy

Yes...its the reason that worries me.


44 posted on 11/19/2013 12:28:59 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: stanne

In eastern France the people like Americans. I had nothing but good times there. I think a lot has to do with the Quebeckers and political history. The Quebeckers come down to the east coast beaches in the summer and they are some strangers...more so than the English speaking Canucks. That and the whole Paris mentality...similar to DC mentality, is enough to make anyone hate you.


45 posted on 11/19/2013 5:51:15 AM PST by gr8eman (Bandying nice with wannabe commies is over! You're either for freedom or you're not!)
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To: gr8eman

I love Paris.

We enjoy the out of the way museums, the food, we love the hotel we frequent, and the Catholic shrines and Churches are wonderful.

I love to shop for clothes in Paris, and we love to go to Monoprix.

the Parisians are neither nice nor not nice, I don’t expert them to act like museum representatives. They have lives, why must I expect them to treat me in any particular way?

I do know Americans expect people to treat them in a particular way if they throw money at them.

They don’t do that in France.

If there’s an obnoxious American turning up their nose at the local cuisine, they might sit for a bery long time and then not get served.

I’ve seen that.

But, I was taught, as an American, not to turn my nose up at food.

The French hat that, and they don’t take being paid (bribery) as a make up gesture.


46 posted on 11/19/2013 6:13:38 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne
I never understood this knee-jerk hatred and contempt for France and the French.

Sure, there is plenty of anti-Americanism among French intellectuals (or wanna-be intellectuals), but no more so than any other European country. And I certainly don't begrudge them for realizing that occupying Iraq may not be the best strategic move for stability in the Middle East.

Yes, France's surrender to Germany after a mere 3 weeks in WWII was pathetic, but what about the fact that during WWI, France lost more soldiers at Verdun than the US lost during the entire war? Or the fact that a French General almost conquered all of Europe in the early 20th century, or France's instrumental role in the founding of the United States?

More importantly, I would also add that the French are light years ahead of other Europeans when it comes to political opposition to uncontrolled Third World immigration, Islamization, and multiculturalism. They still have a long way to go, but a movement like Le Pen's would have much less traction in the UK and zero traction in Germany.

47 posted on 11/19/2013 12:59:31 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

It’s a mystery.

Certainly in view of the massive invasion we see in Texas of illegal immigrants who have no respect for our borders, language, laws or culture.

Our corporatists, NOT to be confused with capitalists, usher it in; they’ve begun changing language at the checkout, totally ignoring Americans. I’m talking about Macys TJ Maxx, etc, in nice malls.

We could use a whole lot more French type thought, respect for ones own culture, etc, but to criticize them for protecting their own culture is ignorant and weak.


48 posted on 11/19/2013 1:05:49 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne
Certainly in view of the massive invasion we see in Texas of illegal immigrants who have no respect for our borders, language, laws or culture

It's not politically correct to criticize such wonderful, quaint, "oppressed" dark-skinned people. So attacking the French or any other group of white Europeans is a suitable, politically acceptable outlet for venting cultural and political frustrations. It also deflects hostility and anger from legitimate threats and problems.

Our corporatists, NOT to be confused with capitalists, usher it in; they’ve begun changing language at the checkout, totally ignoring Americans. I’m talking about Macys TJ Maxx, etc, in nice malls.

I never understood the need for printing things in Spanish in order to cater to illegals. Most of them are as illiterate in Spanish as they are in English.

49 posted on 11/19/2013 1:20:20 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck; stanne

“..early 20th Century” should say “...early 19th century...” Hate it when that happens.


50 posted on 11/19/2013 1:24:13 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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