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‘Crisis of faith’ between Israel and US over possible Iran deal
Times of Israel ^ | November 9, 2013, 1:51 am

Posted on 11/08/2013 9:40:58 PM PST by Dave346

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is “in a state of shocked disbelief” at the deal apparently taking shape in Geneva over Iran’s nuclear program, Israeli television news reports said Friday night.

Netanyahu, the reports on Israel’s Channel 10 and Channel 2 news said, had “an unprecedented confrontation” with US Secretary of State John Kerry in Tel Aviv on Friday morning over the possible deal, which he publicly described as “a very, very bad deal” and which he implored Kerry “not to rush to sign” and to “reconsider.”

The Netanyahu government is “in a crisis of faith” with the Obama administration over the possible deal, Israel’s Channel 1 News further reported, in part because it apparently differs in content from the terms that Kerry had previously described to Netanyahu. Other Israeli reports said Netanyahu felt he had been “misled” by the US over the terms of the deal.

Netanyahu, who blasted the possible accord as the “deal of the century” for Iran, believes it would enable the Islamic Republic to become a “nuclear breakout state,” the TV reports said — since Iran would retain its nuclear enrichment capabilities, and would thus be capable of racing to a bomb at short notice at a time of its choosing.

Israel, the TV reports said, also believes the US has been negotiating with Iran in a secret channel, without disclosing the content of those discussions to Israel.

The TV reports quoted unnamed sources on the Israeli political right accusing the Obama administration of “throwing Israel under the bus,” and leaning toward an agreement with Iran that would fatally puncture the carefully constructed international sanctions regime against Iran.

The Channel 10 report said Israel’s security establishment was also “shocked” at the reported terms.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


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1 posted on 11/08/2013 9:40:59 PM PST by Dave346
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To: Dave346

Barack “My muslim faith” Obama sees no crisis here...


2 posted on 11/08/2013 9:46:12 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Dave346

PM Netanyahu - are you telling us you actually had an iota of faith in 0 up until now?


3 posted on 11/08/2013 9:47:03 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Dave346

I’d call it destruction of another ally - the only one left in the Middle East. C’est la vie...


4 posted on 11/08/2013 9:47:49 PM PST by Deagle (m)
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To: Dave346
What's so surprising? Barack, the White House Muslim, and his toady Secretary of State John “Lurch” Kerry both want to destroy Israel and drive the Jews into the sea. Haven't Bibi Netanyahu and the Israeli government been paying attention?
5 posted on 11/08/2013 9:48:35 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Dave346

Soon the Saudis will be Israel’s most important ally in its quest to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear arms. Wouldn’t put it past the Saudis to secretly finance any military action Israel may take and to provide intelligence.


6 posted on 11/08/2013 9:48:37 PM PST by allendale
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To: Dave346

tell me a secret, the redistribution did not follow the book of Numbers but some kind of looting opposite.


7 posted on 11/08/2013 9:48:57 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: MichaelCorleone

Netanyahu is an optimist. You can’t be a Jew and not be an optimist; otherwise you would have given up thousands of years ago.


8 posted on 11/08/2013 9:51:40 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Dave346
...Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is “in a state of shocked disbelief” at the deal apparently taking shape in Geneva over Iran’s nuclear program...

Why would he be shocked? Everyone knows that Obama is an illegal-alien Muslim dedicated to Islamic world supremacy through the destruction of Western Civilization is general, America in particular, and definitely the eradication of all Jews. His every action has been in pursuit of this.

9 posted on 11/08/2013 10:00:38 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Dave346
Just goes to show you that all of Israel's predictions about the Obama Administration were right, since 2008.

Egypt, Israel and ALL of America's allies in that region and around the world know now, for sure, that Obama does not have “Israel's (or their) back”.

All those platitudes about “all options on the table, backed up by a credible military threat” were horse hockey and the Israelis knew it way back when.

It is a sad testament to the Western world that this man-child is leading us all down the path of ruin.

Chamberlain reloaded.

10 posted on 11/08/2013 10:01:22 PM PST by Netz
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To: allendale
No doubt, massive and rapid alliances shifting and rebuilding as Obama proves he's TOTALLY unreliable and will screw over anybody for his destructive agenda.
The Doomsday Clock just ticked one minute closer to midnight.
11 posted on 11/08/2013 10:03:13 PM PST by Netz
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To: doc1019

I’d like to make a slight modification- You can’t be an American and not be an optimist; otherwise you would have given up a hundred and fifty years ago.

(I swear I’m not following you around, Doc!)


12 posted on 11/08/2013 10:03:34 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: MichaelCorleone
Netanyahu and Israel have pretty much known that Obama will stab them in the back repeatedly, hence they have Plan B. It's coming.
13 posted on 11/08/2013 10:04:51 PM PST by Netz
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To: ToastedHead

So K, we just happen to interested in the same threads. ;-)


14 posted on 11/08/2013 10:06:52 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Netz

Do tell what is plan b


15 posted on 11/08/2013 10:09:36 PM PST by freedomrings69
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To: allendale

Quite possible. But the Saudi’s could also scared enough that they might want their own bomb, not against Israel but against the Shiite Muslim Iranians. Not good. This could also convince the Saudis, as well as the Israelis, that the U.S. is not a reliable ally. I would not want to predict what would happen if the Saudi’s decided to break their alliance with us. One possible result could be the end of the Petro Dollar if they were to start accepting contracts in other currencies. Again, not good.


16 posted on 11/08/2013 10:11:43 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Dave346

And the Times of Israel is just being polite calling it a ‘crisis of faith.’ They already know Obama is a lying weasel who cannot be trusted.


17 posted on 11/08/2013 10:12:41 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: Dave346

Obama may not be a Muslim but he’s always putting their interest ahead of America’s, Christians everywhere, and Israel.


18 posted on 11/08/2013 10:34:59 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: Dave346
End game for jarrett / obama / soros / saudis is a terminal confrontation between Israel and Iran.

With both of them out of the picture the sunnis / saudis roll in.

It's staring us in the face.

19 posted on 11/08/2013 10:48:46 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Dave346

If there’s a ‘Crisis of faith’ between Israel and US over possible Iran deal, there shouldn’t be...

Everybody knows that Obama is an agent of the Islamic world. Israel should know this as well.


20 posted on 11/08/2013 10:55:47 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Dave346

Bibi, 0bama is a backstabbing lying POS. You have to know that.


21 posted on 11/08/2013 11:05:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Dave346

Obama to the Israelis : “I am sorry that they, you know, are finding
themselves in this situation, based on
assurances they got from me.” Works in all situations I guess. So sad.


22 posted on 11/08/2013 11:10:57 PM PST by TheTopRead
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To: Netz

Yup, The Israeli attack on Iran is now a GO.

Anyone who doubts this is a fool.


23 posted on 11/08/2013 11:13:15 PM PST by Bobalu (Socialism - trickle up poverty.)
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To: Dave346

I hate to say this, but anyone who puts their trust in Obama to protect them from anything is putting their life on the line. He is a destroyer.

Israel cannot count of him for anything and will need to decide what is in its best interests.


24 posted on 11/08/2013 11:16:42 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Dave346

God Bless Israel!


25 posted on 11/08/2013 11:29:45 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: freedomrings69
Plan B was and is a plan drawn up by the Israeli government years ago on how to set Iran's nuclear program back.

After the Bush National Security apparatus announced that Iran had stopped it's program, the Israelis new it was a lie. Plan B went into overdrive.

After Obama was elected the Israelis began planning for an attack on Iranian installations which has only gotten more complex and risky with the passage of time. They listened patiently to Obama never trusting him but they went with the American rouse and self-dseception.

In the last 3 years the Plan is GO.
Obama has been lying and losing ground at at ever increasing pace and the Israelis know it.

Plan B is an Israeli attack on key Iranian installations.

26 posted on 11/08/2013 11:58:40 PM PST by Netz
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To: Petrosius

Yup, time to kill the petrodollar. Talk about Change! That’ll be the final knife in the US economy. Greatest Depression to follow - along with civil unrest, marshall law, suspension of elections, defaulting on sovereign debt, nuclear war, and installation of Jugears as Caeser Nero.


27 posted on 11/09/2013 12:21:51 AM PST by bkopto (Obama and Biden are merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: Netz
Plan B is an Israeli attack on key Iranian installations.

Israel needs to nuke the key installations of the Iranians. Then there is no doubt of their destruction. So JugEars secondarily causes a nuclear war. Sounds about right to me.

28 posted on 11/09/2013 12:29:05 AM PST by bkopto (Obama and Biden are merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: bkopto

Israel will not initiate a nuclear attack. It will use other means including a massive EMP attack followed by a conventional Bunker buster attack bit it will cause a major war within which Israel will show no more mercy as she has shown since 1973.


29 posted on 11/09/2013 1:00:38 AM PST by Netz
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To: Netz

I can see the merits of an EMP strike on Iran, and Lebanon for that matter should Hezbollah attack Israel following Israel’s strike on Iran. Would the EMP need to take down Iran’s entire grid, or could it be limited to largely military facilities? also, I’m not sure that Israel’s 5000 lb bunker buster munitions can neutralize hardened Iranian nuclear facilities. I guess the Israelis could target the entrances and exits, for a temporary facility shutdown, but this would be suboptimal.

As the next middle eastern war thus nears, the wargaming becomes very interesting.


30 posted on 11/09/2013 1:52:43 AM PST by bkopto (Obama and Biden are merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: Dave346

Israel is beginning to trust Germany because they have no choice and Western countries have abandoned Israel in favor of Muslim oil-rich and aggressive Islamic/Arab countries.


31 posted on 11/09/2013 2:24:57 AM PST by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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To: Eagles6

I don’t think so. Obama, Jarrett (born in Iran) and the others in the US are all on the side of Iran now. Don’t forget that it is a radical leftist country, in addition to being a Muslim theocracy, and has tentacles throughout the leftist movements of Latin America, especially Cuba, Venezuela, and the newly radical leftist states such as Bolivia and Ecuador.

The Saudis are not Marxists, and in fact are very focused on preserving their monarchy and also preserving their perks as “guardians of Mecca” and titular heads of the Islamic world. I think that Obama, whose goal is to revive this fantasy caliphate Muslim radicals long for, with him as caliph and a new hard line Marxist twist to it, really thought that they would recognize his magnificence and be willing to share. But the Saudis have no intention of doing that, and now he feels he’ll get power through the Iranians.

It’s always all about Obama, all the time.


32 posted on 11/09/2013 2:40:04 AM PST by livius
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To: Dave346

Surely Bibi expected this betrayal by Obama? Israel is in a really tight situation. I don’t think Israel can or will attack Iran alone and against the explicit opposition of the US and Europe. They must have another option, perhaps assisting the gulf Arab states to go nuclear or Saudi Arabia with all those attendant risks or something else that no one is talking about. Obama is the great destroyer and spreads chaos wherever he goes and it will not end any time soon.


33 posted on 11/09/2013 2:59:49 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Petrosius

There were reports this week that Saudi Arabia was purchasing nuclear weapons from Pakistan. It seems that there is nothing in this world that the Obama administration can’t muck up. And I really mean another word that rhymes with ‘muck’.


34 posted on 11/09/2013 3:34:22 AM PST by fhayek
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To: Dave346

Under the Moslem Tyrant by FRAUD, the USA
is joining the Roman Empire and Nazi Germany
in its war against Jews.


35 posted on 11/09/2013 3:44:57 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Dave346

Sorry, Bibi, but I never had any faith in the Marxist, Mooslim, Kenyan, Steaming Pantload....


36 posted on 11/09/2013 4:08:58 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Netz

Anyone feel this leads to Netanyahu authorizing a strike? I just don’t see him doing it with such little support from the U.S.


37 posted on 11/09/2013 4:57:17 AM PST by Cicero1234
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To: Dave346
Like many other wicked idiotic un-Godly rulers in history, Obama just won't back down from picking a fight with El Gibbor. The OT is full of examples of men like him.

The LORD keeps Israel. Blessed be the name of the LORD.

38 posted on 11/09/2013 8:01:06 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: Cicero1234

You’re probably right. Bibi can’t do it all alone without US support and Obama knows it - that’s why he’s strangling Israel...


39 posted on 11/09/2013 10:12:33 AM PST by Netz
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To: allendale

-—intelligence-—and don’t forget airspace. If the Soddies open a corridor the ‘Raelis can get a straight shot at Bushehr without even re-fueling. And if they give them airspace they could easily give them an emergency landing strip. Throw in the PO’d French and that’s a combo that the Iranians ought to be a little humble about.


40 posted on 11/09/2013 12:39:46 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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41 posted on 11/09/2013 12:43:30 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

It’s not just Israel in the ME upset with Obama....our M.EAstern allies are fumming with Obama!

They know a Nuclear Iran will mean Iran will be coming soon for them as well.....which is why Saudi has positioned Nukes in Pakistan for delivery should Iran get the Nuke fully up. Just a matter of passing cash to Pakistan...the Nukes are already for delivery.


42 posted on 11/09/2013 12:46:43 PM PST by caww
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To: Cicero1234

I do see him taking whatever measures he can and will do without the US....Israel did that with Saddams site...the administration was informed they took out the facility ‘after’ they hit it.


43 posted on 11/09/2013 12:48:50 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

44 posted on 11/09/2013 12:55:53 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

Obamas in worse shape with the M.East then Bush ever was....they ‘knew’ the “cowboy” meant what he said...with Obama they have Forest Gump chocolates.


45 posted on 11/09/2013 1:02:51 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

46 posted on 11/09/2013 1:20:23 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Dave346

Only Obama is incompetent enough to destroy our alliances with both Saudi Arabia and Israel simultaneously in one fell swoop.

Saudi Arabia is buying atomic bombs from Pakistan to deter a nuclear armed Iran, and Israel might be forced to attack Iran.


47 posted on 11/09/2013 7:27:31 PM PST by magellan
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To: Dave346

BHO and Kerry are imbeciles. Ted Cruz we need you!


48 posted on 11/09/2013 9:58:26 PM PST by opres
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To: caww

I would agree that he will take whatever measures he can. I just don’t see those measures including an air campaign on Iran’s nuclear sites. I realize Israel has had success in taking out a reactor in Iraq and Syria in the past, but those pale in comparison to a strike on Iran.


49 posted on 11/12/2013 1:15:03 PM PST by Cicero1234
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