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Will the Time Come for Conservatives to be Thankful for Obama? (Thankful for what?...)
Townhall.com ^ | November 3, 2013 | Michael Youssef

Posted on 11/03/2013 12:05:28 PM PST by Kaslin

That’s a startling question, to be sure. But it’s a question that haunted me during my recent visit to Australia. There, political conservatism is experiencing a revival of sorts after six years of socialist wilderness.

While in Australia, I kept thinking about a surprising statement made to me by a prominent American conservative leader during the last U.S. election. At that time, he said, “I will not support the Republican candidate. In fact, I hope Obama wins.”

When I couldn’t hide my shock, he went on to explain his perspective: eventually the socialist ideology in our country would over-tip its hand, and then the people would wake up and elect a modern-day Reagan.

Well, now a short time later, socialism has certainly over-tipped its hand. Our debt has spiraled to more than $17 trillion. Twenty percent of our economy—healthcare—is mired in the mud pit of Obamacare. Millions of dollars are spent on the entertainment of public servants. Billions more have been incinerated within expanded bureaucracies of ineptitude and government-funded companies, such as Solyndra. And all of this happened while more and more people dropped out of the workforce and the food stamp program expanded to more than 47 million people.

Now that President Obama’s favorability has plummeted to its lowest levels, and his diehard supporters in the media have given him “Four Pinocchios” for his Obamacare “truthfulness,” I’m wondering if my friend wasn’t prophetic after all.

To be sure, the U.S. electorate has been significantly dumbed down since Reagan’s election in 1980. But nonetheless, what I saw happening in Australia, a country with a center-left majority, could happen here.

In Australia, the socialist government of Julia Gillard began to kill the goose that laid the golden egg—namely the mining industry—by imposing a hefty “carbon tax.” The country then watched as the government—which had run a surplus under the conservative prime minister, John Howard—ran up a $500 billion annual deficit.

The people revolted, and they elected the conservative coalition in a landslide.

The first item on their agenda? Abolishing the carbon tax on the mining companies. And surprise, surprise, the Labor Party is now supporting the conservatives in that effect. One has to assume that the left did not want to become totally irrelevant.

The wisest man who ever lived, King Solomon, once asked: “Why does every generation have to keep on making the same mistakes of the previous generation?” That’s a great question to ponder.

The answer I believe is that human nature is fickle and easily persuaded by silver-tongued snake oil salesmen.

But maybe Obama’s low approval ratings are a sign that folks are finally waking up. Maybe they are finally returning to the sanity of proven policies—low taxes, less government, individual freedom, and above all, respect for human life, born or unborn.

It is a dim hope, but in the end, hope springs eternal.


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....For destroying this great country? Hell no!!!!
1 posted on 11/03/2013 12:05:28 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

If you were lucky enough to catch nonfatal cowpox you were immune to fatal chickenpox. Thank God Obama is utterly incompetent. Imagine if he had been another Putin, Stalin, or Rommel.

He may still attempt a coup. (And, I hope he does.) But I don’t see it being successful.


2 posted on 11/03/2013 12:09:32 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Kaslin

Will the Time Come for Conservatives to be Thankful for Obama? I’ll be thankful for his departure in 2016.


3 posted on 11/03/2013 12:10:54 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Dittos.


4 posted on 11/03/2013 12:11:43 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Kaslin

It’s a perpetual ratchet…20 years of increased statism and destruction, followed by maybe 4 years of middle-of the roadism. Except for a bit of Reagan, there have been no countervailing forces to the growth of liberty-crushing statism.


5 posted on 11/03/2013 12:12:43 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: folks




I'm not finished destroying America ... yet.

6 posted on 11/03/2013 12:13:25 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Kaslin
When I couldn’t hide my shock, he went on to explain his perspective: eventually the socialist ideology in our country would over-tip its hand, and then the people would wake up and elect a modern-day Reagan.

More "we can win by losing!" crap. No thanks.

7 posted on 11/03/2013 12:15:10 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Kaslin
The wisest man who ever lived, King Solomon, once asked: “Why does every generation have to keep on making the same mistakes of the previous generation?” That’s a great question to ponder.

The old wisdom of political cycles doesn't apply when permanent, decades old mass immigration, supplies a steady supply of brand new liberal voters to the American left.

8 posted on 11/03/2013 12:15:30 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Sad but true.


9 posted on 11/03/2013 12:22:52 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Kaslin

I am not thankful for anyone whose goals are to bring down my country and make us less productive, less safe, and living under an increasing totalitarian, big brother state.

You know all this totalitarian crap would be able to stop if we just intercepted and dealt with undesirables of ALL kinds Israeli-style at our borders and points of entry. ANd not 100 mile-wide border zones, just AT the damn borders and entry points. THESE would be the high surveillance zones. Get rid of them everywhere else because if we dealt with people sneaking in lethally, and dealt with suspicious folks at entry points and just arrested em and sent them back right there, we wouldn’t have to have to live in a big brother random checkpoint, cameras all fricking over, country.


10 posted on 11/03/2013 12:25:16 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kaslin
When I couldn’t hide my shock, he went on to explain his perspective: eventually the socialist ideology in our country would over-tip its hand, and then the people would wake up and elect a modern-day Reagan.

Yes, but so much damage, some irreversible, could be done in the meantime.

11 posted on 11/03/2013 12:26:38 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016.)
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To: ansel12

because there’s always a groupd of dissedent idiots teaching the young people they are the ones so much smarter than the current ‘old-thinking’ generation. They sow the seeds of rebellion in young folks’ pride due to their own inexperience.


12 posted on 11/03/2013 12:26:58 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Signalman

I’ll also be thankful for 0bama’s policies resulting in a super majority in congress dominated by real conservatives in 2014.


13 posted on 11/03/2013 12:28:24 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: Kaslin

Not only for destroying this country, but for intentionally destroying this country. He may be incompetent and unqualified, but what has happened is no accident.


14 posted on 11/03/2013 12:28:40 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Kaslin

If 0bama hasn’t overplayed the Progressive’s hand and the American people don’t wake up to it then it will never happen.


15 posted on 11/03/2013 12:29:27 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Kaslin

Gee thank you President Obama. Under your direction my insurance business went to hell. I had to sell my house. My taxes went up, and my income went down.

Thank you so much for ruining my wife’s clothing business with new federal regulations and for the many insults you have hurled at my Orthodox Jewish brethren and all my Christian friends.

I am especially thankful for your dealings with the state of Israel while my child is in school there. That war in Syria and the forced negotiations with the Arabs have really made people feel really insecure and frightened. Your dealings with Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood were so special and now for the first time since peace was brokered with Egypt there are terror attacks in Sinai. Thank you so much.

Wow, and thank you for making the price of energy go up. The high gasoline prices made my car oh so much more expensive to drive. It’s been a real pleasure.

I could go on, but I am just so thankful for all the great and just AMAZING things you say. You just never know what will come out of that mouth. So precious.

So thanks. Really.


16 posted on 11/03/2013 12:31:26 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Kaslin

This takes into consideration the Democrats will just sit around and take the blame for this mess. They are already trying to blame the current situation on the Republicans, and with the slanderers in the press, it will catch on with a certain amount of the population. They have been claiming they need more money to fight the failing war on poverty for generations, no one has caught on enough to hold them accountable for that. And such ineptitude deflates the base, which along with the Koolaid drinking left will still prevent the Republicans from winning elections. We have seen, during the last two presidential cycles, what to expect when you hope the people will vote for you out of distaste for the other guy.

When has hoping the other side makes the wrong moves been a good offense. How about going on offense, talking to the people and explaining why self reliance is better than dependence on the government.


17 posted on 11/03/2013 12:35:49 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I’ll also be thankful for 0bama’s policies resulting in a super majority in congress dominated by real conservatives in 2014.

If only. Not holding my breath though.

18 posted on 11/03/2013 12:43:47 PM PST by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Kaslin

Sounds like appreciating how good it is to stop hitting yourself over the head with a hammer.
Or, ‘Gee it sure is great to have that case of shingles behind me.’ Better no hammer or shingles.
Or O’bammy.


19 posted on 11/03/2013 12:44:01 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Kaslin

There is an election in Virginia Tuesady THat could disprove that theory,Mccauliff is ahead because of his support from women,by 13 points,Mccauliff is for Obamacare& abortion.


20 posted on 11/03/2013 12:49:44 PM PST by ballplayer
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To: TigersEye

****....and the American people don’t wake up****

I believe this is the point the author is attempting to make. There will be an awakening...by the next generation. Historically, societies and families experience stages of evolution - material, cultural, religious, political, technological - sometimes subtle, sometimes violent.

The young are more inclined to rebel in order to effect change...based on self-interest - before they become accepting or cowardly or both.


21 posted on 11/03/2013 12:51:19 PM PST by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: Kaslin

There are millions who voted for Obama and the Rats who will STILL blame Republicans for the Obamacare mess. There is no helping them.


22 posted on 11/03/2013 12:54:40 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Kaslin
After decades of apathy and lack of dedication to the ideas of liberty, millions of Americans may come to see that such abusive arrogance of power as is evidenced by this President and his enablers was necessary to turn America back to her foundations in freedom.

That will not necessarily make them "thankful" that they and their families, for generations, will be paying the price for their inattention to the ideas underlying their Declaration of Independence and Constitution, but it may be the instrument for turning the nation back from the brink of disaster.

Thomas Jefferson:

"We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors would all become wolves."

Jefferson and the other Founders believed that teaching the ideas of liberty to upcoming generations was essential to preparing them for being attentive guardians of their freedom. The same ideology which rules us today is the one that removed the teaching of the founding ideas from the curriculum of the schools: thus, an "inattentive" voter base.

When the "wolves" call the shots, "the People" become the prey!

23 posted on 11/03/2013 1:02:04 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Kaslin
I for one adopted the same attitude as the guy from Australia, and am full-hearted in my conviction that we had a narrow escape in 2012. I celebrated not that Obama won, but that Romney lost. I celebrated on the spiritual level -- moral Americans refused to be bamboozled into voting for a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual advocate. I celebrated on the earthly level -- sensible Americans refused to be hornswaggled into voting for a guy who had advanced pretty much everything they are against, from gun control to nationalized health care.
24 posted on 11/03/2013 1:02:54 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Gen.Blather
He may still attempt a coup. (And, I hope he does.) But I don’t see it being successful.

I think he and the left are attempting one right now.

25 posted on 11/03/2013 1:03:45 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Future Snake Eater
More "we can win by losing!" crap. No thanks.

I see. So your "lose by winning!" crap has been working?

If we'd won, we'd have the Republican party on the hook for advancing everything from cap and trade to nationalized health care and all the attendant tyranny.

The Democrat party is on the hook, thank God.

26 posted on 11/03/2013 1:05:27 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Kaslin

I’m soooo totally thankful I have to pay 13 dollars for 20 rounds of 5.56 ammunition thanks to the panic he started. /s


27 posted on 11/03/2013 1:05:42 PM PST by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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To: sodpoodle
I believe this is the point the author is attempting to make.

I know that is the point he was making. Historically numerous societies have allowed themselves to be subjugated for decades and even centuries. My point was that if 0bama's bold advances towards a brave new world aren't being rejected now it isn't going to be rejected at all.

28 posted on 11/03/2013 1:08:17 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Kaslin

Sure, and that will be the time when the Jews thank Hitler.


29 posted on 11/03/2013 1:08:46 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: ansel12
The old wisdom of political cycles doesn't apply when permanent, decades old mass immigration, supplies a steady supply of brand new liberal voters to the American left.

A party that adopts a platform of justifiable minimal vote requirements, such as being able to deal with ballots in English only and having to show photo ID, as well as to recuse the franchise if able-bodied and living on public assistance, would probably impress a lot of Americans.

These are fixable things.

30 posted on 11/03/2013 1:08:57 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

Impressing some of us and winning national elections with it, are two different things today.

JFK knew what he was doing when he first started his immigration push in the 1950s.


31 posted on 11/03/2013 1:21:17 PM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: ansel12
I think it would win elections. Americans aren't as stupid as you think they are, especially ones that will take the real trouble to vote and resent like hell that busloads of rounded-up lib voters are propping up the other side.

Everybody knows the real reason leftists are against any kind of voter ID or requirements. If the left put one 20th as much time policing legitimate votes as they do policing handguns -- well, the left would be out of power.

32 posted on 11/03/2013 1:28:05 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Kaslin

Thankful when he’s gone.


33 posted on 11/03/2013 1:33:01 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I'm not sure I agree.

After RR, the momentum was lost a bit during Bush1s term, then the first 2 years of Billy - but that lead to another 12 years of Republicans controlling Congress/theWH. Then the last two of Bush2 and the first 2 of Oops led to yet another rejection of Dems which will probably be complete as far as taking over Congress completely in 2014 after OFrauda merely manage to atall in 2012 and likely another Repub Prez in 2016 if we are able to put forward sanity instead of the Establishments Romney-like choice

And all of this came after a 40+ year run of Dems which was only really interrupted for the occasional Repub Prez figurehead in front of a Dem congress.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if moving forward we see years and years of Repub control of Congress with only the occasional Dem Prez, honestly

...the only concern I have is will those Repubs benefiting be real Conservatives or go-along-to-get-alongs that will stand by as they help usher in destruction

34 posted on 11/03/2013 1:33:08 PM PST by Nahhh I Dont Think So
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35 posted on 11/03/2013 1:47:25 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: Kaslin

It begs the question: WHO SHIVES A GIT!
This is reminiscent of the fall of Rome when — with the barbarians at the gates — the citizens raged through the streets demanding more “bread and circuses.”
The difference between then and now is that the effing barbarians are IN the city and occupy positions of power.
It seems that technology has allowed America and the West to compress into a little over 200 years what it took the Romans over 2,000 to accomplish: DESTROY THEMSELVES.
Mr. Jefferson predicted it 2 centuries ago after he and his contemporaries created a system that would produce more wealth for more people than any before it or since:
“Yes, we did produce a near-perfect republic but will they keep it? Or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance WITHOUT CHARACTER IS THE PATH TO DESTRUCTION.”
Amen!


36 posted on 11/03/2013 1:55:49 PM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Kaslin
After he's been tried for treason and received the proscribed penalty and Ubamacare has been erased and the Fed abolished and Jon Corzine and a few thousand other radical Communists imprisoned for life, I might think about being grateful.

Until then, no.

37 posted on 11/03/2013 2:03:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Finny

You assume the GOP would advance the same agenda as Obama, Reid, and Pelosi? Why?


38 posted on 11/03/2013 2:05:15 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Gen.Blather

‘If you were lucky enough to catch nonfatal cowpox you were immune to fatal chickenpox.”

You’re thinking of smallpox. Chickenpox isn’t generally fatal.


39 posted on 11/03/2013 2:16:11 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Hugin

“You’re thinking of smallpox. Chickenpox isn’t generally fatal.”

You’re right. I got my poxes mixed up.


40 posted on 11/03/2013 2:25:27 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Kaslin
When I couldn’t hide my shock, he went on to explain his perspective: eventually the socialist ideology in our country would over-tip its hand, and then the people would wake up and elect a modern-day Reagan.

Oh how I wish we could even get a modern-day Reagan on the ticket!!!!

41 posted on 11/03/2013 2:28:07 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Kaslin

The liberal statist mindset behind Obamacare is that the destruction of the healthcare insurance industry will lead to a single payer system via big brother government.

While they may succeed in destroying the healthcare insurance industry, I seriously doubt that Americans will go willingly into a single payer system.

This leaves the free market... which has been pretty much absent for a LONG time in the health care industry.

So, in the long run, it may very well be that Obamacare WILL eventually lower health care costs... but in the opposite way in which liberals intended.

For that I guess I can be thankful... but not to Obama but rather to God for protecting us from him.


42 posted on 11/03/2013 2:34:43 PM PST by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: Kaslin


43 posted on 11/03/2013 2:36:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: Kaslin

....Thankful when he is with Allah.


44 posted on 11/03/2013 3:14:06 PM PST by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Gen.Blather
You said...
“Thank God Obama is utterly incompetent”

This is why I will never understand the thinking of some freepers who act as if we are dealing with some political master here. When Carter hints that you're incompetent, then you know it has to be really, really bad. Everything this administration touches turns to crap. Everything. From Cash for Clunkers to this. And having the nation watch him have a temper tantrum after getting caught in a big lie that damages millions of people will wake the sleeping nation up further

45 posted on 11/03/2013 3:18:32 PM PST by LMAO ("Begging hands and Bleeding hearts will only cry out for more"...Anthem from Rush)
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To: Safrguns

You said...
“While they may succeed in destroying the healthcare insurance industry, I seriously doubt that Americans will go willingly into a single payer system.”

Agree.


46 posted on 11/03/2013 3:19:50 PM PST by LMAO ("Begging hands and Bleeding hearts will only cry out for more"...Anthem from Rush)
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To: Kaslin

There is a monument to the boll weevil in Enterprise, Alabama.


47 posted on 11/03/2013 3:23:43 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Kaslin

Even if this is pragmatic political goodness one must still do everything civicly, morally, and legally possible to stop 0bama’s destruction before it takes hold.


48 posted on 11/03/2013 3:32:57 PM PST by R0CK3T
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not even then.


49 posted on 11/03/2013 3:50:45 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Future Snake Eater
If we'd won, we'd have the Republican party on the hook for advancing everything from cap and trade to nationalized health care and all the attendant tyranny.

Is that the same agenda as Obama, Reid, and Pelosi? It's certainly the agenda of the left, and also includes forced embrace of open homosexuality and the "right" to abortion.

Why do I think the GOP would have advanced the same agenda had Romney won?

Because I did my due diligence on Romney. It was a bridge too far. His entire political career was one of advancing things I'm against.

You get what you vote for. There is no voting "against." That's pretend.

50 posted on 11/03/2013 3:56:35 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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