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Obama's health promises backfire (WH aides w/o answers quote Obama who cites "one study")
Pittsburg Tribune ^ | November 2, 2013 | Brad Bumsted

Posted on 11/03/2013 1:22:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Obama's aides would not speak to the Trib with their names used for this story. The White House emailed transcripts of press conferences to defend the president's position, attributing the remarks to Obama: “The majority of people in the individual market today qualify for discounted or free health coverage when signing up for coverage through the Marketplace. One study found that 48 percent of people who buy insurance through the individual market will get a tax credit that averages at over $5,500. And 1 million in the individual market today will qualify for Medicaid in states that choose to expand it next year.”

HARRISBURG — Health insurers will terminate coverage for up to 250,000 Pennsylvanians as Obamacare unfolds with a troubled website that has prevented many from enrolling in plans online, the state Insurance commissioner said.

“It's a Kafkaesque nightmare,” said Michael Consedine, the state's chief insurance regulator.

Such cancellations are occurring nationwide, despite “promises that were made” by President Obama that people could keep plans rather than change them, Consedine said.

“People are getting increasingly frustrated,” he said, noting calls to the department are up by two-thirds since the Oct. 1 startup for entry into benefits under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The law aims to replace policies that did not meet its standards.

In Boston last week, Obama accused “bad apple” insurers of causing cancellations, not his signature health care law.

“One of the things health reform was designed to do was to help not only the uninsured but also the underinsured,” Obama said. “And there are a number of Americans — fewer than 5 percent of Americans — who've got cut-rate plans that don't offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident.

“Remember, before the Affordable Care Act, these bad apple insurers had free rein every single year to limit the care that you received, or use minor pre-existing conditions to jack up your premiums or bill you into bankruptcy. So a lot of people thought they were buying coverage, and it turned out not to be so good.”

Asked about the accusation that “bad apple” insurers exist, the White House would not provide the Tribune-Review an explanation.

Consedine challenged the “bad apple” contention, defending the majority of insurers as “good corporate citizens.”

Cancellations are coming about “not because bad actors were making bad decisions,” he said in an interview Friday. “It's because (company plans) were not up to (Obamacare) compliance policies.”

The state Insurance Department issued 13 so-called “market conduct” actions against companies this year, the agency said, and more enforcement activity is under way. Pennsylvania has the fifth-largest insurance premium volume in the country and the 14th-largest in the world, said agency spokeswoman Roseanne Placey.

The department supervises the operations of about 1,700 insurance companies.

Under the Obamacare market exchange, insurance plans may offer more benefits, but they might be costlier plans because of unneeded or unwanted benefits, said Nathan Benefield, a researcher with the Commonwealth Foundation in Harrisburg. Benefield said Highmark, the state's largest insurer, sent him a cancellation letter, and he signed up for a plan costing $90 more per month.

Highmark mailed about 40,000 cancellation notices, said spokeswoman Kristin Ash. As people switch coverage under Obamacare, they should get lower costs and more benefits, she said.

Cancellations largely are occurring with people who had individual coverage, not group plans, officials said.

The “bad apple” comment, coupled with Obama's earlier promise that people could keep health plans they liked, infuriates David Taylor, executive director of the Pennsylvania Manufacturers Association, which represents large manufacturers, businesses, railroads, power companies and individuals.

“That is just another bald-faced untruth,” Taylor said. He said the plan is “larded up” with benefits people don't need. One is maternity coverage for men, he said, an issue that surfaced at a congressional hearing this week.

Kelly Loussedes, a vice president for the Washington-based National Association of Health Underwriters, said she isn't sure what the president meant by “bad apples.”

The association represents agents and brokers.

Obama's aides would not speak to the Trib with their names used for this story. The White House emailed transcripts of press conferences to defend the president's position, attributing the remarks to Obama: “The majority of people in the individual market today qualify for discounted or free health coverage when signing up for coverage through the Marketplace. One study found that 48 percent of people who buy insurance through the individual market will get a tax credit that averages at over $5,500. And 1 million in the individual market today will qualify for Medicaid in states that choose to expand it next year.”

Pennsylvania has a state-styled Medicaid plan pending before federal regulators. It would use federal money to buy private insurance coverage for the poor, and require people to pay toward premiums and show effort to get jobs.

“I'm hearing prices are going up, and benefits are going down,” said Loussedes of the national agents' group.

Sharon Ward, executive director of the Pennsylvania Budget and Policy Center, thinks the trouble will be “a distant memory” as Obamacare advances. There will be “more choices for consumers,” she said.


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Obama's aides would not speak to the Trib with their names used for this story. The White House emailed transcripts of press conferences to defend the president's position, attributing the remarks to Obama: “The majority of people in the individual market today qualify for discounted or free health coverage when signing up for coverage through the Marketplace. One study found that 48 percent of people who buy insurance through the individual market will get a tax credit that averages at over $5,500. And 1 million in the individual market today will qualify for Medicaid in states that choose to expand it next year.”

What study - another hand-picked university study, in the same vein as the continually discredited global warming "studies?") -- "scientific" studies continually churned out by those Big Government compliant university departments (bought and paid for) to push and support more and more legislation, regulation and taxes -- grow government, shrink liberty!? One of THOSE studies?

1 posted on 11/03/2013 1:22:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How can there be a study when there hasn’t been a sample size large enough to conduct a study, and the fact that the numbers are state secrets?


2 posted on 11/03/2013 1:27:27 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think Obama should be pressed to name the “bad apples.”


3 posted on 11/03/2013 1:27:43 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
As people switch coverage under Obamacare, they should get lower costs and more benefits, she said.

"Should" and "will" are two completely different concepts. I'm betting on "higher costs and less benefits".

4 posted on 11/03/2013 1:32:04 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Fresh Wind

1994:”A hard-edged question was posed to Hillary Rodham Clinton at her Whitewater news conference: what about “the suggestion in the R.T.C. memorandum . . . you and your husband knew or should have known that Whitewater was not cash-flowing and that notes or debts should have been paid”?

“Shoulda, coulda, woulda,” the First Lady replied. “We didn’t.”...............

Taken together, the term means “Spare me the useless excuses.” I reached Mrs. Clinton through her aides, each of whom was surprised at the good-natured nature of my follow-up question, to get her definition. Mrs. Clinton passes the word that she heard the expression often in Arkansas, and interprets it to mean:

“People can tell you that you should have, or could have, or would have, but the question is: Did you or didn’t you?”...............

The shoulda, coulda, woulda phrase (accepting Mrs. Clinton’s order as standard) has a wistfully resigned connotation that was evoked in 1854 by the poet John Greenleaf Whittier in “Maud Muller”:

For of all sad words of tongue or pen,

The saddest are these: “It might have been!”

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/15/magazine/on-language-shoulda-coulda-woulda.html


5 posted on 11/03/2013 1:39:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Bad apple insurers”

To be fair, it was Great Satan George Bush who got them to sell their souls.


7 posted on 11/03/2013 1:51:53 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
“Shoulda, coulda, woulda”

I remember my mom using that phrase, always in the context of some mistake or lapse of judgement on my part!

8 posted on 11/03/2013 1:10:18 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Highmark mailed about 40,000 cancellation notices, said spokeswoman Kristin Ash. As people switch coverage under Obamacare, they should get lower costs and more benefits, she said.

So basically what this Kristin is saying is that Highmark was selling a policy that was too expensive and did not provide enough services for the price. But under a government program intended to pay for insuring the uninsurable, the price will go down. Suuuuuuuure.....

9 posted on 11/03/2013 2:20:28 AM PST by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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To: Fresh Wind

” And 1 million in the individual market today will qualify for Medicaid in states that choose to expand it next year.”

Pffft, I predict just California by itself will be close to 1 million freeloaders going into Medicaid,


10 posted on 11/03/2013 2:26:47 AM PST by DAC21
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To: DAC21
” And 1 million in the individual market today will qualify for Medicaid in states that choose to expand it next year.”

Pffft, I predict just California by itself will be close to 1 million freeloaders going into Medicaid,

It's another way Obama & Co. shifts blame away from them and the truth (sticker shock/policy fail) about their agenda (as they're doing with insurance companies) and onto states that have not "bought into" the federal ploy to expand an unfunded mandate (will become totally a cost to the states). Obama & Co. are hoping panicked voters will pressure their state governments to accept Medicaid expansion.

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Healthcare.gov: What if my state isn't expaninding Medicaid? "Some states are not expanding their Medicaid programs starting January 1, 2014. In these states, some people with limited incomes may have fewer coverage options...........States are continuing to make coverage decisions and they could expand Medicaid in the future......"

11 posted on 11/03/2013 2:44:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That $5,500 tax credit this study cites probably is EITC....


12 posted on 11/03/2013 2:50:23 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer; All
Nov 3, 2013 - Frustrated media groups petition gov't for ObamaCare info"A slew of media organizations have petitioned the government to release ObamaCare data that the White House has refused to make public.......Some media outlets have asked for internal e-mail communications between key administration officials on the implementation of ObamaCare...."
13 posted on 11/03/2013 3:08:31 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There’s only ONE Bad apple in this mess, and it’s name is OBAMA!!!


14 posted on 11/03/2013 3:12:23 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Does it really matter how many will receive subsidized health care and how many qualify for free health care?

What really matters is that someone, has to pay for it.

Now who are the someone’s who are going to pay for the Freebies and the Subsidies?????????

Middle Class Americans who Obama has already bled dry.
Working Americans who are the future of America

Not drones who have been collecting America’s goodies for years.

We have already passed the tipping point and are on our way to bankruptcy, led there by a Kenyan Muslim Doper who cannot pass a Security check.


15 posted on 11/03/2013 3:54:33 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
“The majority of people in the individual market today qualify for discounted or free health coverage when signing up for coverage through the Marketplace." -- Notice that the "majority" is uninsured Americans - since today everyone's had their policy's cancelled unless you work for a Federal Agency.
16 posted on 11/03/2013 4:18:39 AM PST by Jumper
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To: Cincinatus' Wife


17 posted on 11/03/2013 4:21:52 AM PST by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Ann Archy

Adolph Obama that is!


18 posted on 11/03/2013 4:39:52 AM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
the accusation that “bad apple” insurers exist

Perhaps the Left would be so kind as to name a couple of these explicitly, so that they can be avoided? I thought not.

19 posted on 11/03/2013 4:42:34 AM PST by Hardastarboard (You can keep your doctor - if you lock him in your basement.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s common knowledge that when Karl Rove wasn’t operating his bad weather machine, he was selling ‘bad apple’ health insurance policies.


20 posted on 11/03/2013 4:43:16 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Toilet bowl time in 2014 and 2016 for Elitist Politicians in DC and elsewhere, ya think?


21 posted on 11/03/2013 6:04:14 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Vince Ferrer

Touting the projected numbers of those who will get free coverage through Medicaid or subsidies to reduce their costs below the actual cost of the coverage will come back to haunt them.

Rather than a good thing, this is a recipe for disaster because the people who actually wind up paying for Obamacare will see their costs going through the roof in order to pay for the freebies.

We will soon be a nation which taxes the middle class for national health care service for the poor. Will the rich pay for some of it? Sure, but they are such a small part of the demographic makeup of the population, that the costs will have to be paid by the millions of folks in the middle.


22 posted on 11/03/2013 6:28:54 AM PST by wildbill (Biting)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Toilet bowl time in 2014 and 2016 for Elitist Politicians in DC and elsewhere, ya think?

Time for the "bad apples" to go.

Then we can say goodbye to the "worst apple" in 2016.

23 posted on 11/03/2013 7:08:36 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (-)
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To: Vince Ferrer
. Sharon Ward, executive director of the Pennsylvania Budget and Policy Center, thinks the trouble will be “a distant memory” as Obamacare advances. There will be “more choices for consumers,” she said.

That's from just another liberal front group that loves Obummercare:

" the Pennsylvania Budget and Policy Center, which was started in 2007 by the AFL-CIO (the parent union for public teachers’ unions), and PCCY, which received $200,000 from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to promote Common Core, a list of government-directed national education standards. Common Core was put on hold in Pennsylvania last month by Gov. Tom Corbett and the legislature following a public outcry from concerned parents."

24 posted on 11/03/2013 7:22:11 AM PST by Reagan is King
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Can someone tell me are these “bad apple insurers” related to the doctors that cut off healthy limbs out of greed?

(Obowelmovement is insane.)


25 posted on 11/03/2013 8:48:04 AM PST by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Obama said. “And there are a number of Americans — fewer than 5 percent of Americans — who've got cut-rate plans that don't offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident.

Obama's lying again. These plans offered financial protection.

Their owners considered them adequate. Why on earth would they have bought them if they didn't offer protection?

26 posted on 11/03/2013 10:57:36 AM PST by what's up
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27 posted on 11/03/2013 2:13:47 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: Iron Munro

Hey asswipe, get your frikin’ feet off our desk. That really pisses me off. But it’s a perfect picture of his arrogance and narcissism.


28 posted on 11/03/2013 2:35:39 PM PST by upchuck (I've got maternity care via Obamacare! Now, if I could just figure out how a male gets pregnant...)
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To: Cowboy Bob

The bad apples are the ones who recommend amputations, or something.


29 posted on 11/03/2013 2:41:12 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It depends on what the definition of “is” is.


30 posted on 11/03/2013 2:44:23 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: upchuck
But it’s a perfect picture of his arrogance and narcissism.

We now have living in the White House the most Low Rent residents in our entire history.

I never thought anyone could be worse than the Clintons but King and Queen Obama have set new records.

They treat the presidency as if it is an abandoned WalMart and they are two Katrina looters.


31 posted on 11/03/2013 3:23:37 PM PST by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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32 posted on 11/04/2013 8:15:44 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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33 posted on 11/04/2013 11:04:57 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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