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To: Loud Mime

Thanks for re-posting this, and for the ping. Despite what I write below, I do appreciate it, and hope to be included in further pings.

What would Hamilton think - and what would he be doing with his time and energy - were he to come back now to see what his early support of the leviathan has wrought?

I have spoken my piece here before as a Southerner, and I have no wish to rehash the meaning of the Civil War for my people, but I am also one who now regards himself quite the Anti-Federalist in general. Hamilton’s whole argument leans solidly in the direction of, and has provided fertile soil for, the current blossoming of the Communist mentality in our land. And today I again read (aloud) his quite eloquent, well-wrought arguments, and they ring again - and even more so - hollow, as I would expect of a lawyer, a statist, and a Northerner.

As one statist told me here long ago: the Federalists won - get over it. I’ve likewise been told that the North won as well - get over it. And now the Communists are winning, and the tyrant Obama won in 2012, - should we get over it?

It is time to dissolve the union that Hamilton pushes here, that led to 600,000 dead and untold suffering in the 1860s, and that is now leading to the globalist yoke coming at us full tilt as I write.

Hamilton, for all his flowery words, was all in for big government. Shame on him.


18 posted on 10/27/2013 6:45:35 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

If your arguments had won back in Hamilton’s day, we would not have a United States. From what I learned in my studies I believe that our nation would have been divided into a minimum of three separate federations that would have become their own nations as time passed.

I dare say that Hamilton understood the ravages of slavery better than any man living today. His work in the East Indies exposed him to the ugliness that the South sought to preserve and continue to profit from. But when the argument arises, the southerners drag red herrings over the path of the argument, claiming that the federal government had too much power while they wish for us to ignore the horrible practices in the South.

No. Let’s keep it in the open for all to see. Slavery was ugly, but it was far uglier in the South.

In Jefferson’s original text of the Declaration of Independence, he addressed slavery. But there, as well as in the Constitutional Convention, the South held out for their way of life and won, for the time being.

As for the big government that you cast shame on Hamilton for developing, I have long maintained that our problem is not with the system’s design, it’s with the management. Following the WBTStates a popular feeling was that the Constitution was faulty, which eventually led to the 17th Amendment. That one amendment alone changed the mechanics of our government. It destroyed the Senate that Hamilton and the founders deemed essential for a republican form of government. So, when you use today’s government as an example of Hamilton’s bad design, you are in error.


21 posted on 10/27/2013 7:18:06 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberal: greedy person who charges their grandchildren for today's party)
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