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Some health insurance gets pricier as Obamacare rolls out
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 26, 2013 | By Chad Terhune

Posted on 10/27/2013 3:58:13 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Thousands of Californians are discovering what Obamacare will cost them — and many don't like what they see.

These middle-class consumers are staring at hefty increases on their insurance bills as the overhaul remakes the healthcare market. Their rates are rising in large part to help offset the higher costs of covering sicker, poorer people.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; failure; obamacare; rinocare; socialism; zerocare
Welcome to the grand lie known as Obamacare.
1 posted on 10/27/2013 3:58:13 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving crowd than CA, where the fruits and nuts couldn’t get enough of BO and would vote for him again, if they could.


2 posted on 10/27/2013 4:03:00 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Millions of dems are ordering crow with extra peas of course.


3 posted on 10/27/2013 4:05:07 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They should be proud that their higher premiums are going to pay for the medical treatment of a preventable disease - AIDS.


4 posted on 10/27/2013 4:10:28 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: txrefugee

It’s happening all over, not just in California, When this thing is done they will be hunting down Democrats with tar and feathers.


5 posted on 10/27/2013 4:11:32 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

95% is now defined as “some” by the media? LOL


6 posted on 10/27/2013 4:11:44 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"People could have kept their cheaper, bad coverage, and those people wouldn't have been part of the common risk pool," Lee said. "We are better off all being in this together. We are transforming the individual market and making it better."

Good to know our government overseers are here to protect us from our bad choices. Certainly individuals can't be trusted to act in their own best interest.

Lopez says he's willing to absorb that one-year jump if it means the government can rein in future rate hikes. "I'm hoping with this reform," Lopez said, "we won't see big increases year after year."

Good luck with that.

7 posted on 10/27/2013 4:21:49 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

SOME insurance gets higher?! Thats not completely accurate. Almost ALL are and not by a small jump either; try 3 to 4 times. Obamacare will do destruction 3 fold: (1) kill the economy, (2) destroy the quality of healthcare, and (3) empower the government on a level never seen before as it collects personal and financal information on its “citizens” that it can use to control them as it destroys their quality of life by threatening them whether overtly or by implication as needed if the citizen challenges the “system” in any way either by protest / speaking out or exposing them or their corrupion.


8 posted on 10/27/2013 4:21:56 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001
Almost ALL are and not by a small jump either; try 3 to 4 times.

Clearly the private sector can't be trusted to administer our nation's healthcare. We're going to have to federalize this industry, for the good of our citizens. And when that rousing success is complete (and the government needs a greater influx of cash) we'll move onto "securing" private retirement funds and pensions. After all, it's too important to be left in the hands of anyone other than trained government experts.

9 posted on 10/27/2013 4:27:33 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: txrefugee

Not all Californians are of the same philosophical disposition. But the countervailing opinions are simply too few and too scattered to effectively shield against the emotional tide that has swept the state, and has boiled over into neighboring states as this brand of madness gets exported and propagated with the emigrants who can no longer stand to live next to the disagreeable results of their own earlier excesses.

Once upon a time, being a hippy or bohemian was just “quaint”, but then they started believing in their own nonsense concocted while under the influence of mind-altering drugs. Logic and rational discussion succumbed to the volume that can be emitted from the most powerful bullhorn. If ever there were a place where people could “define deviancy down”, California certainly filled the vacancy in that slot.

I spent a year out in California in 1973-1974, but I would not recognize the place today. Sacramento has outstripped San Francisco as a hotbed of liberal excesses, if only because that is where the “decision-makers” congregate in greatest number. They feed on each other’s fantasies about what would make an “ideal” place for the free exercise of hedonism and lassitude, and pass legislation accordingly.

Which is a shame. California, of all the states in the nation, was blessed with more natural riches and greater potential than any other state, in climate, geography, and availability of opportunity, the last of which is being crushed at every turn, by taxation, regulation, and a state government that has become a common scold. And a spendthrift to boot, just all the things that lead to divorce if between a heterosexual couple.

But even there, heterosexuality seems to be on the verge of being outlawed in California, as same-sex couples are being granted more and more “rights” they always had, but now are written into law in direct contradiction to much of the moral code this nation lived with for over 200 years.

“Cast Out Your Old Tired Ethics”, or COYOTE, seems to be the new state motto. Quite a fall from the Bear Flag Republic.


10 posted on 10/27/2013 4:31:01 AM PDT by alloysteel (Men may not always be capable of evil, but they are always capable of incompetence.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Yeah, as well as contraceptives & abortions.


11 posted on 10/27/2013 4:32:43 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The left enjoyed using the, lame and totally off target, argument that auto insurance was mandatory. Lets’ compare Obamacare to auto insurance. If I have a $30,000.00 vehicle and auto insurance rates were designed like Obamacare, here is an estimate of what I would pay. Annual premium $12,000.00. Deductible 50% up to $60,000.00 In other words I wouldn't have an insurance policy at all. I have a payment plan. Also I would be required to have a policy even if I didn't own a car.
12 posted on 10/27/2013 4:38:13 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’m tired of the lie that if you are on an employers policy you aren’t affected! Our plans have to conform to these same standards and we are paying more for lousier coverage like everybody else!


13 posted on 10/27/2013 4:44:14 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
These middle-class consumers are staring at hefty increases on their insurance bills as the overhaul remakes the healthcare market. Their rates are rising in large part to help offset the higher costs of covering sicker, poorer people.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - What is the problem, Tovarisch? The party has just started...


14 posted on 10/27/2013 6:30:30 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Thousands of Californians are discovering what Obamacare will cost them — and many don't like what they see.

I voted for free healthcare and all I got was a lousy death panel?

15 posted on 10/27/2013 6:31:49 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob
Hundreds of Thousands of Young Californians are discovering what Obamacare will cost them — and many don't like what they see.

Way to Go Progressive Democrats, you've Pissed off the Youth!

16 posted on 10/27/2013 6:56:35 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We knew that Obamacare would result in higher prices before it was even passed. The brain dead Obama supporting media waited until after the 2012 election to start reporting on it.


17 posted on 10/27/2013 7:02:42 AM PDT by grundle
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To: alloysteel

Very well stated.


18 posted on 10/27/2013 7:03:58 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: NittanyLion
Clearly the private sector can't be trusted to administer our nation's healthcare. We're going to have to federalize this industry, for the good of our citizens. And when that rousing success is complete (and the government needs a greater influx of cash) we'll move onto "securing" private retirement funds and pensions. After all, it's too important to be left in the hands of anyone other than trained government experts.

I concur. Government is the expert on, well gosh darn, just everything; from running websites to spending money. I mean really, I can't imagine anyone doing a better job than these experts.

19 posted on 10/27/2013 7:18:41 AM PDT by Flick Lives (The U.S. is dead to me.)
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To: NittanyLion
Lopez says he's willing to absorb that one-year jump if it means the government can rein in future rate hikes.

There is no breaking point with these people. Utopia is just one year away...I can feel it!

20 posted on 10/27/2013 7:58:34 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (You know something's really wrong when the salesman keeps selling long after the close.)
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To: NittanyLion
Certainly individuals can't be trusted to act in their own best interest.

"Their own best interest" is not the goal, which is "the common good." Whether you like it or not, that is the distinction. Liberals, being stingy by nature, cannot envision a system that relies upon charity to cover those who cannot fend for themselves. Hence, they project the necessity of coercion and then deem the level of "contribution" by which to sate their guilt. Of course, they also plan to get a hefty cut along they way as a reward for their "beneficence" with other people's money.

21 posted on 10/27/2013 8:43:08 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ZeroCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The scariest scenario is that The One will nationalize all insurance and healthcare, which may have been his plan all along.


22 posted on 10/27/2013 8:49:59 AM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“People could have kept their cheaper, bad coverage, and those people wouldn’t have been part of the common risk pool,” Lee said. “We are better off all being in this together. We are transforming the individual market and making it better.”

Typical socialist. Spreading the misery around evenly. Except to the ruling class of course.


23 posted on 10/27/2013 9:03:13 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What am I supposed to feel sorry for people?

After years of mocked, laughed at and made fun of by liberals and “moderates” who lectured me on the goodness and morality of Obamacare, they can all kiss my ass.

Don’t like high prices? Stop being so greedy.


24 posted on 10/27/2013 9:25:38 AM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: jsanders2001; Oldeconomybuyer

The other thing that people are not examining is not the rise in the premiums alone, but the rise in the deductibles and “out of pocket expenses” which will now amount to about $10,000 per year for everybody, including the buyers of Medicare Advantage plans, which have been gutted.

Many of the buyers of these plans are people on fixed incomes, not just SS, but usually some sort of work pension as well. These supplemental plans used to cost between $35-$100 per month, deducted from your SS payment. Now they are “free” - with a note from the insurance company that they are being paid directly by the government to manage them - so instead of a predictable modest deduction per month, now buyers of these plans will have no deduction but will have to come up with an unpredictable and uncontrollable amount $10,000 per year between the deductibles and the vaguely designated out of pocket expenses.

Way to go, Bambi! Destroy the health care of fixed-income senior citizens too, while you’re at it.


25 posted on 10/27/2013 9:36:33 AM PDT by livius
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To: Spok

I agree, I think this massive screw up is all a prelude to the single payer system, which is what Obama even said as early as 2007, up front and out loud and publicly, was what he wanted. And he wanted not only a single payer system, ala Great Britian, which does permit you to find private treatment if you can afford it, but one that does not permit any patient or doctor to go outside of the national health system.

I’m sure there will be an exception for Obama and the aparatchiks, though. There always is. The Soviet bigwigs didn’t get Soviet medical care, Fidel always went outside of Cuba for his own treatment (or brought foreign doctors, equipment and drugs into Cuba for himself), and it will be no different with Obama and his anointed government royalty.


26 posted on 10/27/2013 9:45:18 AM PDT by livius
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Where's Flo when we need her most ???


27 posted on 10/27/2013 9:54:40 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: livius

The deductibles have risen so high that the new policies amount to nothing more than disaster coverage not the “major medical” policies that they used to be. Obamacare is going to kill the quality of healthcare until it resembles that of 3rd world countries. Only the wealthy or those with connections to the political elites will receive the type of medical treatment that once existed. Mark my words.


28 posted on 10/27/2013 11:36:01 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Venturer
It’s happening all over, not just in California, When this thing is done they will be hunting down Democrats with tar and feathers.

not if the media successfully pins the blame on the republicans and the gullible public believes it.
29 posted on 10/27/2013 11:37:38 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: Old Yeller
if the media successfully pins the blame on the republicans and the gullible public believes it.

Not one Republican voted for it.

The ownership of this pantload belongs entirely to O'Bomber and the RATs.

30 posted on 10/27/2013 11:41:15 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Quote from the article:

"I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it"

Serves you right!

31 posted on 10/27/2013 12:05:38 PM PDT by trueamerica
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To: Old Yeller

You would have to be awful stupid and awful gullible to believe the Republicans started Obamacare.

Not one Republican voted for it when Nancy presented it.


32 posted on 10/27/2013 12:09:18 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Not one Republican voted for it.

Notice...not one of these articles mention that.

Republicans have been saying for years that the thing wouldn't work.

Does ANY media outlet give them credit for being right for years on this issue? NONE.

33 posted on 10/27/2013 12:57:08 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“I loved ObamaCare until I figured out I would have to pay for insurance!”


34 posted on 10/27/2013 1:04:09 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: jsanders2001

Jsanders, have you heard anything about what happens when a major grocery retailer bases in Pleasanton, CA switches from Cigna to BC/Anthem? Just found out today that’s happening, and the Texas employees (at least) are being forced to Anthem Jan 1.


35 posted on 10/27/2013 1:07:52 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Some health insurance gets pricier? Some?? All I’ve been hearing is ALL of it is pricier.


36 posted on 10/27/2013 1:38:54 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: txhurl

No but I suspect only one or two will be pushed if thwy go to single payer and I bet whoever in the administration gets that locked down will have one heck of a commission and never have to work again, ever...


37 posted on 10/27/2013 1:48:52 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001
Obamacare is going to kill the quality of healthcare until it resembles that of 3rd world countries. Only the wealthy or those with connections to the political elites will receive the type of medical treatment that once existed.

I agree entirely. That's exactly what is going to happen.

38 posted on 10/27/2013 3:42:18 PM PDT by livius
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To: what's up
Does ANY media outlet give them credit for being right for years on this issue?

They never have and they never will.

Conservative groups need to know this as principle #1 and act on it. The best defense is a good offense.

Buy up all the cheap ad time during local sporting events on local cable....NATIONWIDE.

Ska-rew the networks.

39 posted on 10/28/2013 6:52:17 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: Venturer
It’s happening all over, not just in California, When this thing is done they will be hunting down Democrats with tar and feathers.

DEMOCRATS??? Surely you jest! Typical low-information voter reaction: "Martha! Look at what's happened to our insurance rates! It's those damned Republicans and their shutdown is what caused it!"

40 posted on 10/28/2013 6:57:42 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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