Skip to comments.Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 20 October 2013
Posted on 10/20/2013 5:22:37 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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But Christ is faithful as a son over Gods house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast. Heb 3:6
It is time to change the Party symbol from the elephant to a Chicken. After spending the last forty years on the sidelines of DC it has developed some terrible habits which have caused it to become old and boring. We finally find a couple of members willing to stand and fight only to find the most vicious attacks coming from the back. Rather than jumping on board and attacking the obvious faults of Obamacare we have the Repubs trying to make sure we have no leadership other than the ones who have failed for decades. The Republican Party is so used to managing the losses they have no concept of how to win.
The managers who run the Party believe the formula is to copy the methods the Dems use and that will lead them to success. It has no chance of working since the formula is fairly simple for Dems. Have your union volunteers knock thousands of doors and make thousands of phone calls and then use these and every other group to Get Out The Vote. The final piece to the puzzle is to own the city precincts and manufacture as many votes as you need to defeat the Repub. There is nothing in this formula the Repubs can replicate, so why follow their formula.
There is no way the GOP can find half of the volunteers required to follow the formula, so why do they continue to follow this losing proposition? They had a single year bump in volunteers when the Tea Party exploded, but the GOP has successfully gotten rid of most of those hayseeds and are back to the formula. Now they have half the volunteers trying to knock the same amount of doors the Dems knock with their paid union armies and every alphabet Marxist group who religiously believe in turning America into another Cuba. So they have unlimited volunteer resources going against a very small number of GOP volunteers who are insulted by the Party leadership for being too extreme. When is the last time a Marxist group has been labeled anything other than progressive? There is a way to win these elections, but it will require firing every campaign manager in the Party.
The primary problem with managers is they are paid no matter if their candidate wins or loses. So it is far easier for a campaign manager to manage the loss than it is to move outside the groupthink and try to win. There is no way a manager will do this since would be the end of their career if they were to try and then lose. If you stay with the formula and lose then after the election is over they can say they did everything they could and point to all those useless numbers and prepare for the next campaign and manage that loss properly.
This is how we end up with massively useless candidates in statewide races. People who dont want to rock that managed election as they manage their losses. There are exceptions to the rule and you have to look no farther than the Tea Party year candidates. They not only thought outside the box, but they had massive numbers of volunteers to knock all of those useless doors and make the phone calls to caller ID messages. This is inefficient and only works in areas which are heavily populated to one side or the other. In areas you need to overcome the liberal advantages you need to think outside of the box and maximize the effectiveness of each volunteer. This is done by focusing on Getting Out The Vote.
As opposed to what the Pundiots preach about people paying politicians back for acting outside the DC orthodoxy, there is no punishment for these actions. Not only is there no punishment, there is no movement in the polls from commercials of debates except by the challenger and only marginally. You have to make a major statement positively to force people to actually change their vote so the most effective tactic is making sure all of your people vote period. Unless you have over ninety percent of your people voting you have no business complaining about losing elections.
The Repubs major problem is they are so milk toast by design they give their voters and especially their most passionate voters any reason whatsoever to vote. The most important thing a candidate can do is to make sure every one of his people get to the polls and vote. Attacking Ted Cruz may get you props from PravdABDNC, but it only turns off the very people you want working for you which eliminates the most valuable people on your side. In the most extreme cases they may primary you out of office.
The real key to any election is having your volunteers spending their time where they have the best chance of success. That is talking to the Party members and the precious Independents. Any time spent with Dems is time wasted since they will not be voting for you in any case. Why would you have your volunteers talking to people who have zero chance of voting for you when you could be talking to people who have a 50-50 chance? This is just mismanaged time and in a short election season is what loses campaigns over and over again.
What the Repubs do not get and the Dems do, if you fire up your fringe you fire up the ones who do the work. The middle will simply vote for whom they normally vote for and it is the candidates job to get them to the polls or in the Dems case have the poll workers manufacture the votes. If you have enough of them you can swing the race as long as the Repubs only collect their expected votes. If they use newer and better techniques the Dems are not capable they can overcome the fraud factor. In the end the old guard Repubs are not only irritating the Tea Party fringe, they are costing us elections. They are forcing the most likely to volunteer to stay home and wish for a third Party. The McCains of the Party are eliminating other candidates in swing states to have a tougher time colleting voters and forcing him to cover less area with fewer people and not getting the vote out.
Ted Cruz not only did not hurt the precious Party he energized the base which is critical to winning the elections. He gave those in the ten percent who do all the work to have someone speaking for them and their disgust in Obamacare. He gave words to ideas and showed what leadership looked like for a brief second in a world gone Marxist. That was quickly squashed by the Old Bulls and their infighting as well as the campaign managers explaining their vote matrix and how to manage the defeat. In the end it is very possible that the way they look at the vote is upside down and Ted Cruz nearly started an avalanche of votes for the Repubs and a taking over of the Sinate through a stampede of volunteers ready to knock the right doors. In politics nothing else matters except GOTV.
Pray America is Waking Up
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State of the Union.... McCain and Cruz? I hope its together, must see tv. Wish I could be a fly on the wall in the waiting room, lol
.........Probably not? [crickets]
I don’t believe that Ted Cruz feels squashed. He takes a very long view on what needs to change in our country, and he won’t give in.
I’d like to hear Roy Blunt’s excuse for voting with the Donks...
Here are all of the Sunday shows in one sentence:
Good is bad, bad is good and if someone would get rid of Cruz and the TEA Party then America would become prosperous and all of our problems would be solved overnight!
Morning AB, All.
thank you AB for doing this thread. I just boom, click on the icon and there it is....the Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread.
I remind about the ongoing Freepathon to those who would contribute to keep this, and all the threads, going.
I got a theory about this gubmint shutdown...and re-opening....
I think the administration threw in the towel. At best, I believe both sides agreed.
Of course it’s all the Republicans’ fault, it was a bad strategy...oh no it wasn’t and I think all those who say that know they are wrong.
Obama was losing because of the Veteran sight and sound bytes and I know because I know stuff, that had those memorials not been re-opened that there was going to be a HUGE march on Washington.....HUGE.
and note that they just put everything off a couple of months....nobody made one concession. Yeah the pubs have to finance Obamacare, such as it is, a couple of more months but there was no big concession, frankly, on anybody’s part.
We’ll just go on and see how that nightmare of an awful healthcare system goes.
For it will destroy itself.
What the Repubs do not get and the Dems do, if you fire up your fringe you fire up the ones who do the work. The middle will simply vote for whom they normally vote for and it is the candidates job to get them to the polls or in the Dems case have the poll workers manufacture the votes. If you have enough of them you can swing the race as long as the Repubs only collect their expected votes. If they use newer and better techniques the Dems are not capable they can overcome the fraud factor. In the end the old guard Repubs are not only irritating the Tea Party fringe, they are costing us elections. They are forcing the most likely to volunteer to stay home and wish for a third Party. The McCains of the Party are eliminating other candidates in swing states to have a tougher time collecting voters and forcing him to cover less area with fewer people and not getting the vote out.
I would add that into days environment politics are a kill or be killed bloodsport.
If our party is not ready to destroy the opposition as the dems are ready to destroy us we are not reading the tea leaves very well.
Politics and their administration are not important anymore its everything.
Not done properly we wind up defending the debt ceiling, taking blame for nat parks being closed and then moving on to other issues we can't possibly win on such as amnesty and the rest.Time to wise up and fly "right".
IF we don't start setting the meme,telling the left what we will be taking next not just going along with whatever issue they decide on, our future is written and its not pretty.
We need to move on to issues we can win on not issues we are sure to lose by.Let's steal a page from the left's book on winning for a change instead of a kick in the arse.
Wallace intro: ... the Republicans lick their wounds and look for a new strategy.
Looks like Rubio is trying to do a media rehab tour. He finally surfaced after weeks of silence following the Senate amnesty vote.
Now, he is back, trying to appear conservative, anti-big government, anti-spending, anti-the-new-normal.
I can’t take it any more! I looked at the opening of the CNN Show, Gloria Borger sitting in for Candy Crowley, and saw Dana Bash in studio with Gloria. They showed a short, carefully selected, clip of Dana’s interview with Ted Cruz, bashing him of course.
Gloria went to Senator McCain live so he could rebut what Cruz had said about the failure of Senate Republicans to support House Republicans.
What a nasty, manipulative, excuse for a ‘news’ program.
Rubio: we have broken immigration system.
[Rubio is a broken record — same ole yada yada. He reverts back to the same ole talkingpoints. Rubio sticks his foot in his mouth on his rehab return-to-conservatism tour.]
Wallace is asking the same old questions regarding immigration.
They could have pulled this segment from video tapes of programs 6 months ago, 2 years ago, 5 years ago.
Wallace is pointing out that Rubio and his amnesty stand have caused him to take a big hit in the polls.
Rubio supporting McConnell re-election is a bad idea.
So Cruz wasn’t on set live?
I will not trust Rubio ever again.
Amnesty ain’t gonna happen and the politicos know this.
We gave ten million illegals amnesty back in Reagan’s term and we were told it would never happen again.
Now we’re not buying their story and ain’t going there again.
Rubio took a chance but he was wrong.
He’s out of my radar, not to be trusted.
Our immigration debacle is due to the political elite failing governing 101...PROTECT YOUR BORDERS.
And the American people ain’t going to buy their story anymore.
Damn they hate that.
Bibi looks depressed.
He of course, wipes the floor with Stephy.
In one short visit to Meet the Dperessed, he gets every talking point in HE wants to. My God. what a wonderful , strong man.
Is there anyway we can get Bibi to run for president?Ah, heck, I can dream, can’t I???
George Will: Wonders when Obama will blame George Bush
Wallace (recognizing the truth for a nanosecond):
“or Mitt Romney (author of ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE)”
Rubio was AWOL during the shutdown letting Cruz take all the hits.
Fox-and-Friends had a clip of Frank Luntz focus group, and these folks are either set-up to say dumb things on tape or are an uninformed stupid, as Luntz’s final quip is about having a Speaker Pelosi because Republicans tried the Government shut(slow) down and because Conservatives don’t dig RINO’s.
Do they not understand that Democrats are eroding the US Constitution that allows for the Individual Freedom and Liberty they’ve been the beneficiaries of?
Rubio didn't help himself with conservatives today. He foolishly said he supports McConnell for reelection over his Rep primary challengers instead of just saying it was up to the people of Kentucky.
Rubio tried to do a verbal tap dance on immigration reform and distancing himself somewhat from his own bill. Rubio's true colors are showing. He is an establishment politician. The very fact that he would join McCain and Graham on amnesty is an indication of where he stands and his judgment.
Every time I hear Rubio say that we have a "de facto amnesty now," my blood pressure goes up. If we had a de facto amnesty, then illegal aliens could work without and obstacles; they could receive SS cards; they could travel freely between the US and their home countries; they could receive a green card and eventual citizenship; and on and on. There is no de facto amnesty.
John McCain is the one who made up the term "de facto amnesty" during his 2009 campaign.
So Cruz wasnt on set live?
Not as long as I was able to watch, which was just a few minutes, because I was so disgusted with CNN’s blatant manipulation of ‘news.’
I’m shocked,then there is this:
Latinos with green cards being instructed in how to sign up for O’care.
Seems we have some competition.....not!
Does it really matter? Rubio's rino days area all ahead of him.
Rubio as a conservative is a distant but sad memory.
He's going nowhere with conservatives and he knows it! His only chance is with a dying breed; old, old rinos. He picked the wrong group to join.
And will the media remain silent on the Democrat’s rhetoric that
incite their Constituents to act like hired ruffians?
Rubio is Jeb-lite. Trying to please all factions all the time. It usually gets you nothing.
The Democrats got $millions in pork spending when the shutdown ended and the continuing resolution was passed.
What did the Republicans get?
[Dems have played Snipe Hunt enough to make sure the Pubbies end up holding the bag.]
Answer to my question: Blamed.
I have seen figures that the 56,000 who signed on to Obamacare in Washington state were all new Medicaid enrollees. People seem to forget that the projections were that 18 million more people would be shunted to Medicaid as part of Obamacare. i.e., almost half of the uninsured would be covered by Medicaid. Just like food stamps, Obama is trying to sign up as many people as possible for Medicaid. The more people dependent upon government programs, the better it is for the Dems.
Just watching the Stephy show w/o Stephy. They had Pelosi on spewing her hate and venom followed by a heavily edited taped interview with Cruz. It was then followed by Jeb Bush (portrayed as the voice of reason.) The only reason ABC is putting on Cruz vs Bush is to further divide the GOP.
Boehner holds a vote he knows will be some Republicans going along with all the Democrats. They telegraphed this one from the moment it was said to be a last minute proposal coming from the Senate.
That’s not a donkey.
I wonder how many of those 476,000 people trying to access 0bamacare were reporters, media, press? I think every reporter in the country was trying to get on to do the story and many of them kept trying over and over, with little or no success.
I’d also like to know how many actually bought an 0bamacare program, and if giving their information will they now be subjected to harassment by the fed? I would guess many people logged off once they found out how much it was going to cost them, deciding to wait until they had to buy it.
As for the Unconstitutional Heath Care Insurance Act, Democrats will continue to make fixes to make it palatable.
Or, how Democrats will run the private sector into the ground if left unimpeded.
I agree, but I really agree with you last statements in your article:
“Ted Cruz not only did not hurt the precious Party he energized the base which is critical to winning the elections. He gave those in the ten percent who do all the work to have someone speaking for them and their disgust in Obamacare. He gave words to ideas and showed what leadership looked like for a brief second in a world gone Marxist. That was quickly squashed by the Old Bulls and their infighting as well as the campaign managers explaining their vote matrix and how to manage the defeat. In the end it is very possible that the way they look at the vote is upside down and Ted Cruz nearly started an avalanche of votes for the Repubs and a taking over of the Senate through a stampede of volunteers ready to knock the right doors. In politics nothing else matters except GOTV.”
Apparently he taped an interview with CNN sometime before today.
Just like Kelly Ayotte.
Cruz needs to learn never to allow taped interviews, which get manipulated and mangled.
Of course Nazi Pelosi is not an extremist, no!
Good point. In order to compare prices and plans, you had to set up an account first. I am sure many people are curious even if Obamacare doesn’t affect them.
Meanwhile the real news goes on uncovered. Its here:
Al Shater may spill the beans soon in Egypt about how zero bribed the hell out of Morsi and how it all leads to Benghazi and Morsi hiring Ansar al Sharia to do the dirty work there.
But of course none of that will be covered since our side is so invested in O'care, debt ceiling, the budget, amnesty and oh so many other issues that we will certainly lose on. Why cover an issue we might win and win big!!
MedicAid = Medical welfare.
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