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Yale Professor 'Embarrassed' to Discover Tea Party Members are Scientifically Literate
cns news ^ | October 17, 2013 - 1:42 PM | Matt Vespa

Posted on 10/17/2013 12:41:22 PM PDT by Red Steel

You know that line liberals love to lob at the Tea Party: you're stupid. Well, obviously that's not the case, nor has it ever been true. Now, a Yale professor has released some new research showing that the so-called "Tea Party radicals" are actually scientifically literate.

Professor Dan M. Kahan of the psychology department at Yale says he was surprised to discover a positive correlation between science comprehension and members of the Tea Party:

"Identifying with the Tea Party correlates positively (r = 0.05, p = 0.05) with scores on the science comprehension measure."

"I've got to confess, though, I found this result surprising. As I pushed the button to run the analysis on my computer, I fully expected I'd be shown a modest negative correlation between identifying with the Tea Party and science comprehension."

"But then again, I don't know a single person who identifies with the Tea Party. All my impressions come from watching cable tv -- & I don't watch Fox News very often -- and reading the "paper" (New York Times daily, plus a variety of politics-focused internet sites like Huffington Post & Politico)."

"I'm a little embarrassed, but mainly I'm just glad that I no longer hold this particular mistaken view."

"Of course, I still subscribe to my various political and moral assessments--all very negative-- of what I understand the "Tea Party movement" to stand for. I just no longer assume that the people who happen to hold those values are less likely than people who share my political outlooks to have acquired the sorts of knowledge and dispositions that a decent science comprehension scale measures."

Well, perhaps some of those previous opinions could've been dispelled earlier when the New York Times wrote in 2010 that Tea Partiers are more educated - and financially better off - than the rest of the public.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: dankahan; science; smarter; teaparty; yale
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1 posted on 10/17/2013 12:41:22 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Does this still mean the Earth’s core is millions of degrees ?


2 posted on 10/17/2013 12:42:49 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Red Steel
"I've got to confess, though, I found this result surprising. As I pushed the button to run the analysis on my computer, I fully expected I'd be shown a modest negative correlation between identifying with the Tea Party and science comprehension."

Then, you're a complete & utter idiot who shouldn't be allowed to teach my dog tricks, let alone college.

3 posted on 10/17/2013 12:42:55 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Red Steel

Somebody needs to pack this report off to John McQueeg right away....


4 posted on 10/17/2013 12:43:14 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Puppage
Of course, I still subscribe to my various political and moral assessments--all very negative-

Negative? According to whom?

5 posted on 10/17/2013 12:43:54 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Red Steel

Is psychology science?


6 posted on 10/17/2013 12:44:21 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: Cyber Liberty

You mean “Bottom of his Class” McCain?


7 posted on 10/17/2013 12:44:56 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: Red Steel
Scientifically literate? Yes, I suppose we are.

I wonder if the professor would like to do a study on how Economically literate we are. Perhaps he'd be surprised all over again.

8 posted on 10/17/2013 12:45:14 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Red Steel

Those who can’t, teach; those who really can’t, teach college. Sad that these institutions of higher learning have turned into one of the biggest scams on the planet.


9 posted on 10/17/2013 12:45:20 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Red Steel
"Of course, I still subscribe to my various political and moral assessments--all very negative-- of what I understand the "Tea Party movement" to stand for. I just no longer assume that the people who happen to hold those values are less likely than people who share my political outlooks to have acquired the sorts of knowledge and dispositions that a decent science comprehension scale measures."

Nothing like not learning from your previous mistake about the Tea Party and committing it again, eh Doc?

10 posted on 10/17/2013 12:45:49 PM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: Red Steel
She Blinded Me With Science
11 posted on 10/17/2013 12:46:08 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Red Steel

Welcome to the club, Professor Kahan. Here comes your audit.


12 posted on 10/17/2013 12:47:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Puppage

That’s the right question, though I use

“by what standard”, just so they have to admit that the standard is arbitrary or simply a consensus that is not objective.

Any objective standard would never change, because right would be right and wrong would be wrong, regardless of what the calendar said.


13 posted on 10/17/2013 12:47:19 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Mr. Peabody

Yeah. “Shouldn’t have been allowed to drive a Radio wagon, let alone a fighter jet” McQueeg. That one.


14 posted on 10/17/2013 12:47:42 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: MrB
Any objective standard would never change, because right would be right and wrong would be wrong, regardless of what the calendar said.

Agreed. And liberals only form opinions based on feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

15 posted on 10/17/2013 12:49:44 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Red Steel
Kahan!!!

Smile

16 posted on 10/17/2013 12:50:31 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: Red Steel

Imagine how much better the world would be if there were no tenure.


17 posted on 10/17/2013 12:50:57 PM PDT by allendale
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To: TurboZamboni

” the Earth’s core is millions of degrees ?”

millions? Whew! For a moment I thought you wrote billions!


18 posted on 10/17/2013 12:52:00 PM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: 70times7

Now he needs to do a correlation analyse on his beliefs and liberal media he is listening to.


19 posted on 10/17/2013 12:52:00 PM PDT by ully2
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To: Red Steel

Every Tea Party favorable person I know are generally licensed engineers, registered architects, or industrial salaried scientists.


20 posted on 10/17/2013 12:52:32 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Puppage

I’ve found the most devastating thing you can do to a lib is to show them that their standards and opinions are essentially baseless.
Any thinking/”SMRT” lib will be flummoxed by the inability to show that his opinion is “right” based on nothing.


21 posted on 10/17/2013 12:52:41 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ully2

That’ll happen.


22 posted on 10/17/2013 12:52:45 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: All

A large part of the problem is the avalanche of people trying to co-opt the impetus of the 2010 tea party wave.

That wave can from a SINGLE ISSUE. Cut Government Spending.

The GOP then sprinted to the microphones to define the Tea Party as anti abortion, anti tax, anti gun control. The left wing largely did the same, defining the Tea Party to be extremists for guns and pro life and anti gay.

But the truth was (and likely still is) that it’s ONE ISSUE ONLY. Cut Government Spending. All other redefinitions have agendas, and it’s usually fundraising.


23 posted on 10/17/2013 12:53:27 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Red Steel
Oh, but he missed the far greater intellectual aptitude of the so-called "Tea Party movement" members:

As individuals, their "comprehension" of the history of civilization and the ideas of liberty embodied in their Declaration of Independence and incorporated into their Constitution for a "People's" limited government makes them "constitutionally literate" as well.

24 posted on 10/17/2013 12:53:49 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: ully2

It has to be hard to see that data from where his head is.


25 posted on 10/17/2013 12:53:53 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: Red Steel

Just anothet low information voter.


26 posted on 10/17/2013 12:54:42 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Owen

Cut government spending and all those other issues kinda fall in line as well.


27 posted on 10/17/2013 12:55:09 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Red Steel

Well if he’d had just visited this forum more often he wouldn’t have been surprised. :-) Science doesn’t matter to the left. They use the word like a substitute for God. The technical details aren’t very important to them. I don’t know how many times I’ve entered an argument only to find that the person I’m talking with not only doesn’t know ‘science’ beyond what is fed them via the pop culture but they don’t really care. They don’t even realize when their idols like Darwin are totally incompatible with their ideas of homosexuality and abortion but again its not about reality its about perception which they desire to control at all cost.

Most leftists are the product of weakness and excess. Most born in the country know how to survive without government. We know how to raise our own food, we know how to hunt, we know how to fix our stuff and build houses. The lack of practical knowledge combined with coddled backgrounds mentally neuter many leftists. They live in the domain of fantasy where someone not approving of gay sex or killing unborn babies is a horror but having the federal government choosing to terminate granny or letting people starve to protect a insignificant minnow is no big deal.


28 posted on 10/17/2013 12:58:25 PM PDT by Maelstorm (The political class love diversity and choice only when the its choices they approve of.)
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To: Red Steel

Most of his misconception is that he is a psychologist; not a real scientist. Most of the science and technology/IT faculty here are conservatives while the liberals are almost entirely english, business, and social studies twits.


29 posted on 10/17/2013 12:59:56 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Red Steel

Won’t he be surprised when he finds out that the global warming that he has been teaching is nonsense and that Creation Science makes more sense than evolution.

Yes, we TEA Party people do know about Science. More than the Left, because their Science is about feelings and Socialism and trying to make the government the highest authority.


30 posted on 10/17/2013 1:01:11 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: ClearCase_guy

Literacy in general is correlated in some degree with the intensity of devotion to the principles held by the T.E.A. party people. Most people are simply not that well read, and many who have attained high-level university degrees have little knowledge or empathy outside their own narrow specialty. The Ivory Tower is not just some mythical construct.

Literacy requires a certain discipline of mind and some kind of developed critical thinking. Otherwise, it is just rote learning.

Being able to quote whole passages does not assure the sense of the words thus recalled has ever been examined.


31 posted on 10/17/2013 1:02:46 PM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: TurboZamboni

*Does this still mean the Earth’s core is millions of degrees ?*

Al gore is the ONLY person that knows this fact. His follows believe him, but he is the only one who KNOWS. All other scientists disagree with him, they are deniers that say that it is not hotter than the surface of the Sun. But he has a consensus.


32 posted on 10/17/2013 1:03:40 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: Red Steel

What an educated fool.


33 posted on 10/17/2013 1:04:24 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Olog-hai

*Those who can’t, teach.*

those who really can’t, teach Socialism and Communism in college.


34 posted on 10/17/2013 1:05:03 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: Red Steel; All

I wouldn’t be surprised if this professor would also be embarrassed to discover that the Founding States made the federal Constitution to deliberately limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.


35 posted on 10/17/2013 1:05:36 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: jimmyo57
* ” the Earth’s core is millions of degrees ?”

millions? Whew! For a moment I thought you wrote billions! *

Gore all most slipped up and said it was brazilians.

That would've been embarrassing for him...

36 posted on 10/17/2013 1:06:26 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: Red Steel

I think it would be far more illuminating for him to research his fellow academics for their ignorance, bias and outright prejudice. I would suspect he might discover several interesting things.

First and foremost there is a good possibility that he would discover widespread feelings of inferiority and inadequacy, that feeling that academically their real accomplishment is the Peter Principle, that they have been promoted to their level of incompetence. (Former studies have indicated this.)

Then, if asked to rate their peers, they would rate some as better, but they would rate many they considered their inferiors as strongly inferior. This is common among those with inferiority complexes, that they grovel before those they consider better, but abuse those they consider inferior.

In effect, academics are to a great extent attuned to elitism, or what 200 years ago was royalism. They imagine academia as the intellectual class of the nobility and the bureaucracy, and despise the peasantry, which today is everyone else.

But fortunately, these fantasies are not universal. There are still some academics concerned far more to intellectual pursuits than fretting about it. But learning in one field does not make a person an expert in all fields.

In fact, expertise in one field likely conceals ignorance in other areas, even below the level of the typical person and common sense. Though they pride themselves with their ability to learn, it does not mean they have learned, nor have any experience in practice.


37 posted on 10/17/2013 1:06:35 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: Red Steel

As “scientist” that formed his opinion of us based on what other people told him . . . some scientist he is. . . .

Libtards have a bad habit spewing absolute lies about what conservatives and Christians believe. I have NEVER heard one get it right. These people are not educated, they are simply brainwashed.


38 posted on 10/17/2013 1:07:51 PM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: MrB
*I’ve found the most devastating thing you can do to a lib is to show them that their standards and opinions are essentially baseless.
Any thinking/”SMRT” lib will be flummoxed by the inability to show that his opinion is “right” based on nothing.*

Most of the ones I've talked to don't care that they are against the facts. They will argue that the facts don't matter because their favorite socialist said...

Where do you find thinking libs?

39 posted on 10/17/2013 1:08:02 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: allendale

Imagine how much better the world would be if there was no Yale or Harvard...


40 posted on 10/17/2013 1:09:05 PM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: Mr. Peabody
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41 posted on 10/17/2013 1:11:01 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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>> Professor Dan M. Kahan of the psychology department at Yale says he was surprised to discover

The folly of arrogance.


42 posted on 10/17/2013 1:11:29 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: taildragger
Imagine there's no Harvard

It's easy if you try.

43 posted on 10/17/2013 1:12:40 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Red Steel

An educated idiot finds out the truth. People who are educated and who know what’s going on are by and large outraged at the direction of this Country. Now the uneducated, buy all you can when the ebt cards screw up crowd on the other hand are ignorant to pretty much everything except the dates on a calendar.


44 posted on 10/17/2013 1:15:17 PM PDT by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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To: Red Steel

He has a compartmentalized mentality. He might be smart in his profession, but he is dumb as rocks when it comes to rational economics, philosophy, and human nature and the requirements for survival.


45 posted on 10/17/2013 1:19:49 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: mjp

Still I give him props both for letting the data take him where it goes, and NOT simply burying it by not publishing it.

He also gets extra points in my book for honestly admitting in public that he was wrong.


46 posted on 10/17/2013 1:24:46 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: TurboZamboni

correlation coefficient (r) not impressive.


47 posted on 10/17/2013 1:26:36 PM PDT by oldsicilian
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To: Red Steel

The view from the liberal bubble.

The thing about bubbles: Being blind and unable to adapt to reality, they come to abrupt ends.


48 posted on 10/17/2013 1:27:30 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Red Steel
"But then again, I don't know a single person who identifies with the Tea Party. All my impressions come from watching cable tv -- & I don't watch Fox News very often -- and reading the "paper" (New York Times daily, plus a variety of politics-focused internet sites like Huffington Post & Politico)."

Kahan lives in a liberal bubble... I knew people like that in the Jim Crow south years ago... lots of prejudice - not a lot of reality. Professor Dan M. Kahan is cut from that same cloth - he's just chosen a different victim group ( and thinks that makes him 'moral') ...

49 posted on 10/17/2013 1:31:43 PM PDT by GOPJ (Brieitbart sent me... Freeper newfreep)
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To: oldsicilian
Statistically significant...
50 posted on 10/17/2013 1:33:21 PM PDT by GOPJ (Brieitbart sent me... Freeper newfreep)
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