Posted on 10/17/2013 12:33:09 PM PDT by barmag25
On Thursday, President Obama took to the White House podium to triumphantly announce the end of the government shutdown. In doing so, he proclaimed that he wanted to push forward with other legislative priorities, including a budget, immigration reform, and the long-stalled pork-laden farm bill. “[I]n the coming days and weeks, we should sit down and pursue a balanced approach to a responsible budget, a budget that grows our economy faster and shrinks our long-term deficits further,” Obama stated. Historically, “balanced” has been code for tax increases.
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Few people seem to know that the Senate bill has never been presented to the House. If the Dems did, it would be blue-slipped and sent back to the Senate requesting them to modify it by taking out the appropriation language before it could be taken up by the House.
The strategy now for the pro-amnesty supporters is to pass an immigration bill or bills in the House. These bills can then be grouped together and sent to conference with the Senate. The resultant bill that comes out of the conference will look a lot like the Senate bill. The bill will then be passed by both Houses with the majority being Dems aided by a significant number of Reps.
The message to Boehner and the Reps in the House is NO IMMIGRATION BILL PERIOD. Goodlatte and Cantor are preparing a bill that will serve as the Trojan Horse for the Gang of 8 bill. They must be stopped.
I sure wont bet on it right now, I am only going by the stuff I read here giving it the ‘Does it make sense?’ test. I have no special info on that.
The House eventually caving and passing whatever Reid sent him in a CR was something I knew for sure would happen, I posted it many times here in comments. It was sure thing,.
The problem Obama has is that Cantor/Bohner/Ryan have zero incentive to try to pass a bill that Reid can get Dems to vote for in Senate, even after a conference. Every GOP in house is mad now.
Even if they pass a immi bill that 95% of freepers curse, that doesnt mean that Senate Dems will vote for it.
This is Key : In this case Bohner doesnt get singularly blamed by Americans for blowing up the US economy and defaulting on US debt if Obama never gets a immi bill.
I do. It is a fact.
The problem Obama has is that Cantor/Bohner/Ryan have zero incentive to try to pass a bill that Reid can get Dems to vote for in Senate, even after a conference. Every GOP in house is mad now.
The prize for the GOP is an increase in the guest worker programs. It is the reason Zuckerberg met on the Hill with Boehner, Cantor, and others a few weeks ago. There is a lot of pressure coming from the corporations who sent a letter to the GOP demanding an immigration reform bill.
Don't be fooled by the rhetoric. These guys know how to do the Kabuki dance and feign outrage while actually working with the other side on how best to fool the electorate. One of the reasons both parties hate Cruz and Lee is that they exposed these little games of phony votes to fool and deceive.
Even if they pass a immi bill that 95% of freepers curse, that doesnt mean that Senate Dems will vote for it.
They will vote for any bill that comes out of conference. It is a given.
This is Key : In this case Bohner doesnt get singularly blamed by Americans for blowing up the US economy and defaulting on US debt if Obama never gets a immi bill.
LOL. Boehner could care less. He probably won't even run next year.
Drunk or sober, the GOPe want an immigration bill, especially one that increases the guest worker programs.
DEMS PUSH TO TAKE UP AMNESTY, SAY BOEHNER WILL CAVE
And in other news:
The Pope is Catholic
The sun rises in the East
The sky is blue
The grass is green
etc., etc., etc.
I dont believe that at all. Definitely wrong.
They will absolutely reject any bill that has no citizenship in it.
They will reject a guest worker without citizenship.
Reid wont even put one up.
I am pretty sure that Bohner will do that on immigration. He wont put a immi-bill up without GOP majority support.
I was posting here from the start that he would do that with CR but I am pretty sure he wont do that with immi-amnesty.
More recent, I even got called defeatist for being right here: Boehner's Shutdown End-game play (you won't like it) 10/15/2013
Boehner is the Spelunking Speaker. He lives to cave. And cry.
“I am pretty sure that Bohner wont do that on immigration”
“On Thursday, President Obama took to the White House podium to triumphantly announce the end of the government shutdown. In doing so, he proclaimed that he wanted to push forward with other legislative priorities, including a budget”
Obama is not looking for a budget deal. He already got what he wanted. He’s been given permission for NO NATIONAL DEBT LIMIT until Feb 7th. No matter how much the deficit and the borrowing grows between now and then, he will, as he has done EVERY YEAR - NOT NEGOTIATE, never agree to a compromsie on HIS spending, wait and create another 11th hour crisis, with the simple phony threat - default looms, and his demand to resolve it - raise the debt limit or again have no debt limit.
When Obama says: “[I]n the coming days and weeks, we should sit down and pursue a balanced approach to a responsible budget, a budget that grows our economy faster and shrinks our long-term deficits further,”, you can translate that as a budget approach that grows the taxes to match his spending - period. AND when he says “shrinks our long term deficits further it is NOT about the revenue side, which is growing in the current tax regime, but that it - revenue - will never grow Obama enough to match the kind of spending his plans and programs are increasing federal expenses to.
If it comes out of conference, it will have some path to citizenship. And it is not the guest workers on temporary worker visas that are the sticking point, it is the 11 to 20 million illegal aliens already here. Goodlatte has already said that he will support some sort of legalization for them and that deporting them is not an option.
Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty. Citizenship is just the cherry on top.
I don't know what you are basing your view on, but I can tell you based on what I have heard from several Congressional offices over the past few weeks along with attending meetings where folks like Lou Barletta and Steve King spoke that we are on a razor's edge when it comes to a comprehensive immigration bill.
I know that a majority of the GOP want an increase in the guest worker programs, increased border security, and a system to track and deport visa overstays. The issue of citizenship can be finessed in any bill. It could start with immediate legalization followed by various metrics for the border security. There could be language in a bill saying that there will be no path to citizenship until those metrics are met. And that same bill could have an increase in the guest worker programs similar to the one in the Gang of 8 bill. The majority of Reps would probably vote for it.
And the Dems will sign on to it knowing that they still have the issue to use against the Reps and allowing them to say that they have legalized the status of the lawbreakers, an important step that allows them to stay and work here.
Exactly. Obama has removed the debt limit ceiling as a power of Congress. He knows that Congress will always fold and increase the limit. There is no need to compromise or concede anything.
he gave them everything and then some. He gave away Congressional powers to the executive.
Let me make it more clear. Two simple points.
1) Any immi bill wo path to citizenship would die in the Senate. So that is a safe poison pill. You said the Senate would pass anything, and I gave a clear example that they wont.,
2) Bohner will not put an immi bill up for a vote unless he has a majority of GOP. Not even after conference. He never made that same promise for those other 5 bills, but he did with immi-amnesty.
So those two together make it very difficult for Obama to get anything.
I am Not saying to not oppose a bill. Just telling you Obama has a huge climb with this one. Its not the shutdown battle.
I hope that the Speaker uses that amnesty bill as a HOOK to present some choice comments on Obama’s super-high unemployment rates.
America’s middle class NEEDS more jobs. Obama-nonsense like “amnesty” won’t deliver those jobs.
Personally I had no doubt that it would end the way it did.
I posted it many times here before the shutdown started.
There was no doubt in my mind that he would do what he did.
And like with the tax bill there's lots of whining but I aint seeing any Tea party House GOPs stepping up to take his job from him,
If every freeper who posted that Obama would cave first was willing and able bet me a $1, I would be moving next to Romney. (OK , a little exaggeration there)
isnt that Dems sick joke? that amnesty will create more net jobs?
Its kind of insulting,
Boehner and the RINO’s are making the French look like towers of steel....
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