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Red State ^ | 10/15/2013 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 10/15/2013 3:01:57 AM PDT by IbJensen

The basic framework of the deal Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid have hammered out is coming to light.

The provision the GOP is crowing over — that the Obama Administration will check the income levels of those who receive a subsidy — is already the law. Meanwhile, the GOP will let the rest of the year proceed above sequester level spending, give the unions another carve out of Obamacare, and extend the debt limit to February.

I’m sure at the last minute they’ll also delay the medical device tax so it looks like Harry Reid caved on something. Really, it’ll just be so McConnell’s and Boehner’s staffers on K Street get something out of the deal.

But don’t worry. Karl Rove’s Crossroads group is going to start spending money to protect Mitch McConnell from Matt Bevin in Kentucky.

Ted Cruz was right all along. Americans need House Republicans to fight. Mitch McConnell has no appetite for it. Senate Republicans are openly hoping to blame a debt default on Ted Cruz. They want to blame him for everything. They hate being seen as the capitulators that they are.

Conservatives in the House of Representatives need to stand up and pledge to vote against any rule on this plan. It does not defund Obamacare. It does not delay Obamacare. Heck, it does not even require that Obamacare go into effect as designed with no exemptions, exceptions, or delays. If they won’t defund or delay it, they should at least make it go into effect on schedule, on time, and by design — not with another union carve out.

Extend the debt ceiling so the manufactured nonsense about defaulting goes away, then keep the fight on the continuing resolution about Obamacare.

The RedState contact email is now getting one anti-GOP email for every one anti-Democrat email. That has never happened before. All these polls showing America hates the GOP are accurate. Even Republicans hate the GOP and the GOP might have to learn that the hard way in 2014 primaries.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; blog; braking; cavein; cruz; debtceiling; evilobamaregime; gop; mcconnell; mcconnellrino; primarymcconnell
I now refer to what was formerly the evil unhealthy care plot as Lucifercare.

When Harry Reid and Glitch McConnell start giggling like imbeciles when talking on the Senate floor about the secret deal they've been negotiating, it's because they're about to agree on each thief's share of the American taxpayers wallet they've just stolen.

1 posted on 10/15/2013 3:01:57 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

This plan sounds like something Mitch would agree to.

“They hate being seen as the capitulators that they are.”

I believe most of us already know what cowards the RINO’s are. most like me are looking for somewhere else to go. The Republicans E’s are killing themselves.


2 posted on 10/15/2013 3:15:50 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Venturer
"what cowards the RINO’s are."

We should not be surprised. They have been for a long time. I am no longer a Republican and never will be again as long as the RINOS run the show.
We have kicked the can down the road too many times.
That is all this so-called deal does.
I am ready to march with my new pitch fork. . . .

3 posted on 10/15/2013 3:25:52 AM PDT by DeaconRed (The TEA PARTY is my new party. Juan Mclaim and his Republican party can kiss my Grits.)
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To: IbJensen
I hope the House forces Obama’s hand.

He has promised default. If he delivers, it should mean impeachment. Impeachment or not, it will bring about the collapse of what little remains of constitutional government.

With congress at a total impasse, Obama will get what the left has plotted and schemed for these past hundred years, rule by decree.

4 posted on 10/15/2013 3:25:56 AM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: IbJensen
The only reason I am keeping the "R" on my voters registration card is to exercise my voice in the primaries.

After the primaries, the "R's" are hittin' the "R"oad.

5 posted on 10/15/2013 3:46:58 AM PDT by mcmuffin (Freedom's On The March - Wave Goodbye!)
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To: IbJensen

Team Romney [exempt from RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE]
DEMANDS death panels for YOU and your family.

For them? Your $$$$$$$$$$ And a platinum system.

The GOP belongs in HELL for creating this mess,
and then foisting it on America with Romney claiming
he ‘knew nothing’.


6 posted on 10/15/2013 3:48:55 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: IbJensen

New Speaker, New Senate Minority Leader...NOW!


7 posted on 10/15/2013 3:54:46 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: IbJensen

McConnell is just trying to salvage his political partners’ chances in the elections next year.


8 posted on 10/15/2013 3:57:49 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: IbJensen

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3079011/posts

“Sen. Ted Cruz met with roughly 15 to 20 House Republicans for roughly two hours late Monday night at the Capitol Hill watering hole Tortilla Coast.

The group appeared to be talking strategy about how they should respond to a tentative Senate deal to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling without addressing Obamacare in a substantive way, according to sources who witnessed the gathering. The Texas Republican senator and many of House Republicans in attendance had insisted on including amendments aimed at dismantling Obamacare in the continuing resolution that was intended to avert the current shutdown.

Sources said the House Republicans meeting in the basement of Tortilla Coast with Cruz were some of the most conservative in the House: Reps. Louie Gohmert of Texas, Steve King of Iowa, Jim Jordan of Ohio, Tom Cotton of Arkansas, Raúl Labrador of Idaho, Steve Southerland of Florida, Mark Meadows of North Carolina, and Justin Amash of Michigan.

The group is a collection of members who have often given leadership headaches in recent years by opposing both compromise measures as well as packages crafted by fellow Republicans. And, it seems, leadership unwittingly became aware of the meetup.

While the dinner meeting was held in a private basement room, the group was spotted by Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., who was dining with some other members, including Gregg Harper, R-Miss. McCarthy is a regular at the Capitol Hill watering hole, and a source said he seemed particularly interested in what the group was up to.”

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.rollcall.com ...


9 posted on 10/15/2013 3:59:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DeaconRed
We have kicked the can down the road too many times. That is all this so-called deal does.

It is much more than kicking that can a bit further. It is improving the Democrats' electoral prospects for the imminent midterms. That is important to McConnell, and Boner and the Mainstream Republicans. Being Speaker is a nice job. One would think that Boner would want to keep that job past November of next year. I don't think he does, though.

10 posted on 10/15/2013 4:02:00 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Bushbacker1

NEW PARTY!


11 posted on 10/15/2013 4:08:47 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

LLLuuucy! I’m Ho-oome!


12 posted on 10/15/2013 4:13:17 AM PDT by GEC (We're not drilling in ANWR because...)
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To: DeaconRed

Union and corporation obamacare relief is not a kick of the can. It’s a kick in the face to everybody on Main Street forced to live under the tyranny of kenyancare.


13 posted on 10/15/2013 4:21:43 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: IbJensen

So they are fighting for something which is already the law.

Remind me never to hire these clowns to negotiate for me. I would wind up paying two times the asking price for a house.

Clowns on parade.


14 posted on 10/15/2013 4:34:32 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: IbJensen
NEW PARTY!

Touche'!

15 posted on 10/15/2013 4:40:16 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: DeaconRed
I am no longer a Republican and never will be again as long as the RINOS run the show.

Can't believe there's still people on FR who call themselves Republican.

16 posted on 10/15/2013 4:45:31 AM PDT by Doofer
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To: Venturer

When are people going to accept that the GOP doesn’t want to cut spending. They don’t even want to cut waste, fraud, abuse. All any of them want, except for a select few, is ride the horse until it dies.


17 posted on 10/15/2013 4:59:03 AM PDT by ScobbyDoobyDoo
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To: Jacquerie
I, too, hope the House forces Obama’s hand!!!
18 posted on 10/15/2013 5:02:38 AM PDT by GizzyGirl
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To: IbJensen
The polls showing that everybody hates the GOP are right

I have said, for a long time, that many voters who belong on our side will never, ever vote for a Republican, so deep is their hatred of the GOP. It is, to me, the major reason to support a new, conservative party.

I live in NH, where some of the most loathesome country-clubbers on Earth are the face of the party, so, of course, YMMV based on where you live.

19 posted on 10/15/2013 5:08:41 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. S)
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To: ScobbyDoobyDoo

” All any of them want, except for a select few, is ride the horse until it dies.”

And then go to work as a 7 figure lobbyist. Really, it’s the same for all politicians, isn’t it? What they care about is winning the next election and then, when ready to retire, cashing in. Sigh....

Is it possible to have a government without politicians?


20 posted on 10/15/2013 5:10:36 AM PDT by paristexas
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To: IbJensen

See new tag line.


21 posted on 10/15/2013 5:14:18 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the Libs say we are.)
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To: IbJensen

“Ted Cruz was right all along. Americans need House Republicans to fight. Mitch McConnell has no appetite for it. Senate Republicans are openly hoping to blame a debt default on Ted Cruz. They want to blame him for everything. They hate being seen as the capitulators that they are.”

Has Ted Cruz said that Repubs should force a default rather than fund Obamacare? That would take some real cajones, but I haven’t found where Cruz spells that out. Anybody know what Cruz wants in order for him to declare victory and abandon the fight?


22 posted on 10/15/2013 5:18:14 AM PDT by paristexas
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is the only way you get a viable third party. A sizeable group of already elected officials with name recognition and the power of incumbency from secure conservative districts have to leave the GOP as a body and form the core of the new conservative movement.

Running from the outside is a guaranteed failure, and win for the democrat-socialists.


23 posted on 10/15/2013 5:24:03 AM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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btr


24 posted on 10/15/2013 5:29:20 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (R.I P. my old FRiend and neighbor Blackie Owens. Be ever vigilant!)
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To: ScobbyDoobyDoo

And the horse is on it’s last legs.


25 posted on 10/15/2013 6:00:36 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: IbJensen

Americans need House Republicans to fight. Mitch McConnell has no appetite for it.


Look at the difference between how the GOPe talk with / work with the democrats and how they deal with conservatives.

McConnell has plenty of fight in him when he’s going after conservatives. He’s much more willing to give and deal with the democrats.

Moral of the story: He’s a fighter as long as he’s fighting his enemies.


26 posted on 10/15/2013 6:01:26 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: paristexas

Anybody know what Cruz wants in order for him to declare victory and abandon the fight?

He’s been pretty clear: He wants the House to defund Obamacare.


27 posted on 10/15/2013 6:06:04 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: Jacquerie

"I hope the House forces Obama’s hand."

Yep. The last thing you want is to be holding the bag on Thursday (on something in which you had absolutely no input).

Instead, turn the tables on the Dems. There are lots of vulnerable Dems in the Senate (WV gun-grabbing Senator Joe Marxist, for example)... publicly invite them to the table if need be, and then put the heat on them- just like Harry Reid and Obama do to the Repubs. If they say no, then they will be the obstructionists here- and it will be clear to voters back home that they only take marching orders from Obama...

(And if a deal is reached with the vulnerable Dems... then Obama will be at clear risk for rejecting a bipartisan deal).

28 posted on 10/15/2013 6:13:11 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: paristexas
Cruz was elected to disrupt business as usual in DC. He's doing a great job, and he'll be there for at least 5 more years, being a pain in the backside of liberals of both parties.

I approve of my senator and what he is doing.

/johnny

29 posted on 10/15/2013 6:15:40 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: IbJensen

We are in no condition to fight Obama because we are already fighting a two front war against the GOP and the media. The media must be defeated first. It is time for bold action.


30 posted on 10/15/2013 6:19:01 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: IbJensen

31 posted on 10/15/2013 6:21:49 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: ErnBatavia

Exactly my thoughts.....


32 posted on 10/15/2013 6:27:46 AM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: ez

Well, Ez, things have reached the point where there is no remedy in the Republicrat Party. The Constitution is in tatters, the Supreme Court is larded with traitorous Obama running dogs, the nation is full of homosexuals, illegal trespassing criminals, Muslims, and perpetually malcontented negroes who are being constantly whipped into a state of what they believe is not criminal activity.

Obama has ‘quietly’ removed or demoted any general officers who would lead the nation to a revolutionary move on the seat of the central socialist government’s power. Perhaps it’s up to the NCOs and the few field grade officers who are not contaminated by political correctness.

At any rate the nation simply is unable to withstand the onslaught on our morals, religion or laws unenforced.


33 posted on 10/15/2013 6:38:04 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

Anybody who thinks Zero will keep a deal must not have noticed how often he ignores the law.


34 posted on 10/15/2013 7:42:15 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ZeroCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: IbJensen
Why are senators like a banana?

They first come in green.

Then they quickly turn yellow.

Soon after they become rotten.

35 posted on 10/15/2013 7:45:42 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: Diogenesis

10th amendment much?

No, you don’t.


36 posted on 10/15/2013 9:48:36 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: IbJensen

Ted Cruz had them on the run. The GOPe ends up making concessions to the Democrats.


37 posted on 10/15/2013 10:13:24 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: IbJensen

I agree completely, sad to say.


38 posted on 10/15/2013 10:46:48 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: ErnBatavia

See my tag line.


39 posted on 10/15/2013 11:18:27 AM PDT by ssschev (Pick up the can, throw out the trash.)
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To: Jacquerie

If boner caves he should go ahead and adjourn the house, tell them to go home and draw their paychecks but don’t plan on ever returning.

I often ask myself “What will it take to get the people in the streets?” I no longer ask myself that. The people should have been in the streets a long time ago. Now it’s too late. I’ve been suggesting a third party for years. I’m afraid it’s too late for that, too.

Suggestions?


40 posted on 10/15/2013 11:52:49 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican
Another third party, among the dozen or so other conservative/libertarian leaning parties is a waste of time.

We suffer from unlimited power consolidated in Wash, DC.

The 17th amendment enabled the consolidation.

From a vanity post last February:

The 17th Amendment did not simply mean the people vote for members to both houses of Congress. It meant member State republics no longer shared in the larger government. The States lost the single structural weapon to limit the national government to enumerated powers and keep it out of their local matters. For practical purposes the 10th Amendment no longer exists. As feared by the Federalists over two hundred years ago, without State participation, a national government would inevitably expand, become despotic, oppressive and soon snuff out our freedoms.

Consider this warning from James Madison. At the Virginia ratification convention on June 6th 1788, he responded to Patrick Henry’s charge that the Constitution’s enumerated powers would be usurped and our freedoms destroyed by a national government that would quickly seize all power.

Madison: “If the general government were wholly independent of the governments of the particular states, then, indeed, usurpation might be expected to the fullest extent. But, sir, on whom does this general government depend? It derives its authority from these governments, and from the same sources from which their authority is derived.”

Until the 17th is repealed and federalism is restored, everything else we can do is a waste of time.

41 posted on 10/15/2013 12:36:36 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Jacquerie

Impeachment but never convicted. The senate will never vote for it no matter what he does.


42 posted on 10/15/2013 12:43:34 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3079399/posts

> Having hammered out a deal to shoot back to the Senate tonight — with most Republicans reportedly on board... Then the medical device tax delay was stripped out, and the “full Vitter Amendment” (no special treatment under Obamacare for Congress, staffers, and White House officials) was inserted in... opposed to stalling or repealing the tax as part of this deal... The delay would look like another favor to big business rather than the little guy... would take the issue off the table as a Democrat-dividing maneuver for future negotiations...


43 posted on 10/15/2013 7:19:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

“He’s been pretty clear: He wants the House to defund Obamacare.”

What I thought. But I disagree with refusing to raise the debt ceiling unless Obamacare is defunded. Why?

Because first, the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling could be a real blow to the economy. Obamacare is a terrible idea, but the people haven’t fully realized it yet, because it is just now going into effect. In a year or two, people will know all too well what a disaster it is, and we can repeal it, and the Dems will be buried as the party that brought the disaster called Obamacare. But if we don’t raise the debt ceiling, and there is an economic disaster, people are going to forget about Obamacare and could well blame the economic disaster on the Tea Party. This could lead to a solid congressional majority for the Dems in 2014 and give Obama everything he wants.


44 posted on 10/16/2013 3:58:58 AM PDT by paristexas
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To: paristexas

What I thought. But I disagree with refusing to raise the debt ceiling unless Obamacare is defunded. Why?

Because he’s playing the game the Dems normally play. Hold the government up until he gets what he wants. He wants Obamacare defunded and will do anything in his power - use the debt ceiling for example - to accomplish that goal.

You can disagree with his reasons and methods but what he’s been aiming to do has been crystal clear.


45 posted on 10/16/2013 7:05:02 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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