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New Gop Shutdown/Debt Plan, But No Agreement Yet
AP ^ | Oct. 11, 2013 | By ALAN FRAM and DAVID ESPO

Posted on 10/11/2013 12:24:50 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

In addition to ending the shutdown and increasing the debt limit, under the proposal Congress and the White House would explore ways to ease across-the-board federal budget cuts that began taking effect a year ago, and replace at least part of them with benefit-program curbs that have been included in recent presidential budgets. Officials who described the approach did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss private conversations.

With the weekend approaching, and the deadline for raising the debt limit five days away, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said it was time to "put this hysterical talk of default behind us and instead start talking about finding solutions to the problems."

McConnell and Senate Republicans met with Obama at the White House, a session that lasted about 90 minutes. Returning to the Capitol, GOP lawmakers huddled with McConnell, who told reporters, "Now we're back here to actually work on trying to get a solution on a bipartisan basis."

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1 posted on 10/11/2013 12:24:50 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

They are making progress. Time for Obama to move the goalposts again. /S


2 posted on 10/11/2013 12:27:47 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I suspect the GOP-elite is gonna cave piece by piece and hope that doing it gradually won’t look as blatant. They have already dropped Obamacare, by the end of this weekend they will have given into virtually all of the Senate and WH demands.


3 posted on 10/11/2013 12:28:10 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: freedom462

“I suspect the GOP-elite is gonna cave piece by piece and hope that doing it gradually won’t look as blatant. They have already dropped Obamacare, by the end of this weekend they will have given into virtually all of the Senate and WH demands.”

Bingo.


4 posted on 10/11/2013 12:29:59 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: freedom462

If they do, the Republicans are going to get slaughtered next year. People are paying attention, and are fed up. They will not show up just to vote for an “R”, and without conservative voters, the Republican party is nothing more than a bunch of empty suits.


5 posted on 10/11/2013 12:31:20 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Did the Senate GOOBs get to kiss Barry’s ring and feet?


6 posted on 10/11/2013 12:32:40 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRAT Pahtay! Spending our grandchildren's future, today!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

he won’t do sh.. he doesn’t have to. the polls say its the repubs fault. I think its called mind control...


7 posted on 10/11/2013 12:34:41 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: BarnacleCenturion
... under the proposal Congress and the White House would explore ways to ease across-the-board federal budget cuts that began taking effect a year ago, and replace at least part of them with benefit-program curbs that have been included in recent presidential budgets.

Translation of GOPe proposal: "We'll give you action now, in exchange for your promise of action later."

How many times to they think we'll let them get away with this?

8 posted on 10/11/2013 12:35:23 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
With the weekend approaching, and the deadline for raising the debt limit five days away, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said it was time to "put this hysterical talk of default behind us and instead start talking about finding solutions to the problems."

I trust Matt Bevin is now rapidly rubbing his hands together.

Hey Mitch (not the Atlas character :), I don't recall any "hysterical" talk. Just plain dollars and sense.

9 posted on 10/11/2013 12:37:09 PM PDT by upchuck (nobamacare must be stopped before it can live down to our expectations.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Why the sarc tag? It’s true, and the GOPe will fall for it. As mentioned above, they’re caving piecemeal, but they are nevertheless caving.


10 posted on 10/11/2013 12:37:55 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I think they dropped Obamacare because they can’t UNFUND it and it looks like it might commit suicide....which is why we’re not getting any numbers.


11 posted on 10/11/2013 12:37:59 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: freedom462

We r going to look like complete fools if we get nothing out of the deal! What r we supposed to say to those on the other side? They have come this far, why fold now? Who cares what the press says? Maybe other Freepers see something I don’t?


12 posted on 10/11/2013 12:38:41 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (My son said, "You tickled my laugh". Lol!!!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

So McQueeg is involved? We’re screwed. Every time something bad happens, that rat-bastard is at the center of it.


13 posted on 10/11/2013 12:39:21 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Sacajaweau

That is a good point and people r realizing it is not “free”.


14 posted on 10/11/2013 12:40:55 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (My son said, "You tickled my laugh". Lol!!!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

So, as of right now they are in the process of caving-in and will probably bury this in the weekend news so that by Monday Obama can declare victory.


15 posted on 10/11/2013 12:44:26 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: yellowdoghunter

Much of the public cares what they press says. And yes, that does mean they are obscenely uninformed and gullible, but wishing for that to change is tantamount to wishing for a Victoria’s Secret model to walk into your house tonight and make a marriage proposal.

There has to be better articulation from conservatives from the grassroots level all the way up to the federal level. Conservative/libertarian intellectuals, as examples PJ O Rourke and Thomas Sowell have pointed out ad naseum. And the fight for more legit leaders representing us in the House and Senate next year must intensify REGARDLESS of how this plays out.


16 posted on 10/11/2013 12:44:29 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: Cyber Liberty

According to the picture above, Cruz is involved as well...Not sure if this the case...


17 posted on 10/11/2013 12:45:38 PM PDT by Maringa
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To: Maringa

I don’t know. If I were Cruz I’d carry a 10-foot pole with me to touch McQueeg after all the things that old piece of crap has been saying about me. If it were me. I’m not nearly as good a man as Cruz.


18 posted on 10/11/2013 12:50:40 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: upchuck
Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell

Joe Carr to oust Lamar Alexander

Lee Bright to oust Lindsey Graham



PLEASE, Louie Gohmert, let me add your name as opposing Cornyn

19 posted on 10/11/2013 12:54:26 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Never in history have their been worse negotiators. Never. They constantly negotiate against themselves and the other side never gives an inch. If they were in business, they would have crushed and shut the doors two years ago.


20 posted on 10/11/2013 12:54:32 PM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: BarnacleCenturion; freedom462; RKBA Democrat

I am getting wild blog reports, one even linking to Drudge, that the GOP Goatse’s have already caved in, and there just hasn’t been an announcement yet.

Anyone getting word like this?


21 posted on 10/11/2013 12:56:46 PM PDT by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Oh, yes, SURE, Mitch McConnell is the right man to help the Republicans. McConnell worked with Harry Reid and Obama to raise the debt limit, increase taxes and fund Obamacare.

Don’t we have a true Republican to send to confer with the Regressives?


22 posted on 10/11/2013 12:58:17 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
If I were Cruz I’d carry a 10-foot pole with me to touch McQueeg

Me too. And it would say "Hillerich & Bradsby" on it.


23 posted on 10/11/2013 12:59:20 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Old Sarge

Not that I know of. By cave, do you mean like literally caved in and accepted wholesale any and all demands Obama and the Senate make? And let them decide all the terms and conditions? Do you mean that kind of full scale caving?


24 posted on 10/11/2013 12:59:54 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: Sacajaweau

I think you’re kidding yourself.


25 posted on 10/11/2013 1:01:58 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Paine in the Neck

Thanks for posting those important links (Matt Bevin, Joe Carr & Lee Bright)!


26 posted on 10/11/2013 1:05:07 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: jjsheridan5

If Republicans were to lose the House it would be a catastrophe and the fault of the voters. Anyone except a RINO/Libertarian is going to vote Republican to stand against Obama/Reid/Pelosi. Anyone who does not vote Republican is responsible for giving the nationalist socialist more power.


27 posted on 10/11/2013 1:06:42 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: af_vet_1981

Maybe what could happen is voting in enough Republicans to get control of the House and Senate while making sure that those most responsible for failing to negotiate properly are primaried and replaced with Tea Party candidates. The idea would be to have the hardcore socialists in the minority in both sections of Congress while letting the majority know they will be scrutinized carefully every step of the way. Just something I am thinking of. Regardless, the middle ground as disappeared a ton in the past couple weeks so the conservative/libertarian side MUST act accordingly.


28 posted on 10/11/2013 1:10:17 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: BarnacleCenturion

We’re winning! Time to begin negotiating with ourselves! Quick! Hurry! Before we actually win!


29 posted on 10/11/2013 1:10:29 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Boehnor and McConnell are still trying to figure out how to translate surrender so it sounds like victory.


30 posted on 10/11/2013 1:12:12 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: af_vet_1981
If Republicans were to lose the House it would be a catastrophe and the fault of the voters. Anyone except a RINO/Libertarian is going to vote Republican to stand against Obama/Reid/Pelosi. Anyone who does not vote Republican is responsible for giving the nationalist socialist more power.

Except ... they don't stand against Obama/Reid/Pelosi. They are part of Obama/Reid/Pelosi. I will turn this around. Anyone voting blindly for Republicans who do not act like an opposition party are "responsible for giving the nationalist socialist more power." The fault will be directed at voters who put these charlatans in power. If "we" lose the house, then so be it. Conservatives are not part of "we", at least not in the McCain wing of the party. By all means, conservative and committed Republicans have my support. But the others can take a hike.
31 posted on 10/11/2013 1:13:28 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: freedom462

Total capitulation is being mentioned.

Breitbart just posted one, can’t get to the link yet...


32 posted on 10/11/2013 1:15:39 PM PDT by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

New commercial on TV just now with RINO Utah gov and Dimwit IN gov wanting people to sign petition to stop the gov shut down. Stinking RINO and Commies going together.


33 posted on 10/11/2013 1:22:05 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: Paine in the Neck

BUMP!


34 posted on 10/11/2013 1:24:37 PM PDT by upchuck (nobamacare must be stopped before it can live down to our expectations.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
I've gotten to the point where I don't care what the GOP does, except for Ted Cruz and company.

The rest of them should either get on board or shut up and go away.

35 posted on 10/11/2013 1:27:11 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: jjsheridan5

You’re right. The conservative base of the GOP is going to abandon it. The Republicans ARE empty suits because they can’t articulate ONE SINGLE position they have. Only the strongest Republican bastions will hold out against this tsunami. We’re looking at the dems gaining 60 seats. Or more.


36 posted on 10/11/2013 1:29:37 PM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Anyone except a RINO/Libertarian is going to vote Republican to stand against Obama/Reid/Pelosi.

Please do not attempt to cast libertarians into that camp. Ted Cruz is out there demonstrating and advocating for libertarian principles.

37 posted on 10/11/2013 1:31:14 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: freedom462
by the end of this weekend they will have given into virtually all of the Senate and WH demands.

Nonsense.

Obama will get some of what he wants, the GOP will get some of what they want.

Conservatives will scream because they don't get everything but this never happens when you only have 1/3 of Govt.

38 posted on 10/11/2013 1:40:30 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I got a request for funds from the RNC today and the letter came from John McCain. I laughed my butt off. They just don’t get it yet.

I sent the envelope back and said they must have confused me with someone else, that I was a Conservative.


39 posted on 10/11/2013 1:41:21 PM PDT by kempster
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To: yellowdoghunter
We r going to look like complete fools if we get nothing out of the deal!

Who says we'll get nothing?

We'll get something, but not everything.

40 posted on 10/11/2013 1:41:23 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Why are you presuming Obama will be ok with not getting everything he wants? When has Obama ever been ok with not having every single one of his demands satisfied? Ditto for Reid and Pelosi. I sense that they are gonna demand all or nothing and the House GOP will by Oct 17 have given them all.


41 posted on 10/11/2013 1:43:57 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Boehnor and McConnell are still trying to figure out how to translate surrender so it sounds like victory.
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That’s my take as well. It’s all going to come down to spin...but they will make it sound like a win...no matter what really happens.


42 posted on 10/11/2013 1:47:45 PM PDT by conservaKate (R got it wrong in 2012. We must get it right in 2014 & 2016.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Is that Maple or Ash?


43 posted on 10/11/2013 1:55:38 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Is that Maple or Ash?

I've always favored ash.

44 posted on 10/11/2013 1:57:12 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: conservaKate
That’s my take as well. It’s all going to come down to spin...but they will make it sound like a win...no matter what really happens.

Which will be promptly unspun by Obastard's victory laps and end zone dances.

45 posted on 10/11/2013 2:01:15 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

I like Maple, although the Pitchers don’t much like it because Maple splinters all over the infield when it breaks.


46 posted on 10/11/2013 2:03:39 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: freedom462
When has Obama ever been ok with not having every single one of his demands satisfied?

I didn't say he was OK with it. But I did say he does not get all he wants:

Gun control

Cap and trade

Sequestration

Recess appts denied

47 posted on 10/11/2013 2:24:08 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Personal Responsibility

YES!!


48 posted on 10/11/2013 2:27:43 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: what's up

I still think he and the Senate are gonna opt to try and force the worse kind of default and try to cause as much hyper inflation and us dollar collapse as possible, make sure the MSM convinces the public that the House GOP forced him to make all these defaults and then keep the gridlock even after that. Considering how gullible much of public opinion is, these sneaky attacks could work to get Obama to have all his demands met and lead to the GOP losing their majority entirely. Why wouldn’t Obama go for that instead of doing anything to satisfy the GOP? What would be his reasons for not trying to force the worse kind of default and then looking to make sure the American public thinks the House GOP gets all the blame?


49 posted on 10/11/2013 2:30:13 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: what's up

You r probably right. I start to get needlessly worried...I break my own rule and start believing the press. I just cannot believe the Republicans would walk away with nothing. I have a family member and I dread the call, “so, they didn’t shut down Obamacare so what was the shutdown all about”?


50 posted on 10/11/2013 2:32:50 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (My son said, "You tickled my laugh". Lol!!!)
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