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Obama Doesn't Rule Out Using 14th Amendment To Raise The Debt Limit
ABC ^ | October 5, 2013 | Mary Bruce

Posted on 10/05/2013 4:29:58 PM PDT by lbryce

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To: sergeantdave

See post # 40. Maybe you’ll get a better perspective on just exactly what my intentions were.


41 posted on 10/05/2013 5:47:26 PM PDT by lbryce (:)
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To: andyk

If you’re intention is to make a point, or upbraid me for whatever, it would help if you were more specific regarding the “canard” you claim I subscribe to.


42 posted on 10/05/2013 5:52:35 PM PDT by lbryce (:)
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To: lbryce

The canard to which I refer is that of using the 14th amendment to unilaterally raise the debt ceiling via executive branch action, the theme of this thread.

It’s typical to direct responses to someone who posts a thread, understanding that they’re directed at the author of said thread.

IMHO


43 posted on 10/05/2013 5:57:22 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: lbryce

Mark Levin has been warning us on this issue. Once the Presdent seizes this power the legislative branch is dead and we are in full bodied tyranny.


44 posted on 10/05/2013 6:00:26 PM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: lbryce

Obama has no authority to spend. So, why would he have to borrow?


45 posted on 10/05/2013 6:22:51 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: lbryce; griswold3

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing...

Is no one in the media or congress going to call him on this? (I know, I know... it is a rhetorical question...)

And I agree: if he tries anything autocratic to “deal” with this, articles of impeachment should be filed immediately. This bozo is insane, truly insane.


46 posted on 10/05/2013 6:23:29 PM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: lbryce

Yeh. you’re right. May you live in interesting times is not a curse. It’s a warning to be aware and get ready.

Our Chinese students back in 1989 passed that warning back and forth.

For people who don’t remember, that SOB traitor George Bush Sr. pledged to expose all Chinese students in the US who backed the Tienamen uprising,

We shipped thousands of FAX machines to the students.

We also set up thousands of safehouses for Chinese students here in America.

George Bush Sr. should be hanged from a lamppost. I hate that NWO MF.


47 posted on 10/05/2013 6:24:05 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Mustangman
this president is psycho which makes him dangerous and us vulnerable.

The reality of the situation is exactly the opposite. Don't think the donks don't know it, too.

48 posted on 10/05/2013 6:31:49 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: andyk
It’s typical to direct responses to someone who posts a thread, understanding that they’re directed at the author of said thread.

But of course. Absolutely. It's a given. Your explanation, while most considerate, thoughtful was superfluous as I had mistakenly taken your comment, that old canard, as one being directed at me, personally, for something I might have said, wondering what canard was it that I posted that had me pose my response to you in the confused manner i did, the reality of which was that your comment was addressed to the President.

I apologize for having made the error in the misinterpretation your comment.

49 posted on 10/05/2013 6:39:45 PM PDT by lbryce (:)
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To: Whenifhow

You are right. Levin discussed this on his radio show.

With the October 17 deadline to raise the debt limit rapidly approaching, President Obama is not specifically ruling out using the 14th Amendment to increase the nation’s borrowing ability if the political impasse continues and Congress fails to do so, but says he does not expect the fight to get to that point.


50 posted on 10/05/2013 6:51:56 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: lbryce

Article I, Section 7, which states that “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives;

I’m fairly certain “raising the debt ceiling” has the same definition of revenue, that is; the total amount of money received by the government for goods or services provided during a certain time frame.


51 posted on 10/05/2013 6:57:28 PM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: Windflier

In reality you are absolutely correct, but politically I’m not so sure....the media is always banging the Dems drum for them. Please tell me how your coming to this conclusion. I’m curious.


52 posted on 10/05/2013 7:01:28 PM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: lbryce
Even a lawful president would have no power to pay debts based on the 14th Amendment. Unlike most Amendments, this one specifies the enforcement power: The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

As for the person of questionable ancestry in our White House, it would not surprise me at all to see him trample yet another part of our Constitution.

53 posted on 10/05/2013 7:13:23 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: lbryce
Back when this amendment was passed there was no running tab "debt ceiling". Instead each issuance of bonds had to be individually approved by Congress. Wilson found this tiresome in WW I so just asked for Congress to approve a maximum and let the Treasury Dept. handle the individual bonds.

However, that still doesn't allow the 14th amendment's statement "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, ... shall not be questioned" to override Article I, Section 8 "The Congress shall have power ... To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;" That power is given to Congress and only Congress.

Continuing to borrow past the debt limit is a clear violation of Article I, and any federal judge should quash it immediately, but so many are actively anti-Constitutional (cough, Chief Justice Roberts, cough) that I wouldn't be surprised to see that clear statement ignored.

54 posted on 10/05/2013 7:24:56 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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To: lbryce

You’re awesome. Thank you.


55 posted on 10/05/2013 8:03:01 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: lbryce
"Obama Doesn't Rule Out Using 14th Amendment To Raise The Debt Limit"

Yes, comrade obama, let's start enforcing the constitution.

See ya later sucker.
56 posted on 10/05/2013 8:43:19 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: andyk

Welcome to the andyk-lbryce Mutual Admiration Society. :-)
But you’re awesomer.


57 posted on 10/05/2013 9:09:30 PM PDT by lbryce (:)
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To: fella

“Is he going to declare the Republicans in a state of rebellion?”

From this crowd of Radical Socialists, it would not be beyond the pale.

And that should scare the living hell out of you.


58 posted on 10/05/2013 9:16:48 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: lbryce

“May you live in interesting times and come to the attention of important people”. This is how I always heard it. Gives a more sinister connotation


59 posted on 10/06/2013 2:10:08 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Ben Mugged

Who would loan funds to the US government that any future President and/or Congress could repudiate with impunity, because no court would force the US to repay such an Unconstitutional debt because it was never authorized by law (Act of Congress)?


60 posted on 10/06/2013 3:41:54 AM PDT by sourcery (Valid rights must be perfectly reciprocal.)
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