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Ted Cruz Speech Nods to Increasing Libertarian Views within Republican Party
Cato Institute ^ | 9/26/13 | David Kirby

Posted on 09/30/2013 9:24:47 AM PDT by shego

During his Ironman 21-hour speech, Sen. Ted Cruz read excerpts from Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, name-dropped "libertarians" at least six times, and yielded to Sen. Rand Paul, who invoked Frederic Bastiat's "What is Seen and Unseen," a favorite among libertarians.

Ted Cruz, who retained remarkable composure over the long night, seems in all things deliberate. Political leaders seem to have become more comfortable talking about libertarians, even identifying themselves as such. Libertarians may have reached a tipping point within the Republican Party.

Last week, a FreedomWorks study on public opinion found that libertarian views within the Republican Party are at the highest point in a decade, today representing 41 percent of Republican voters....

We define libertarians as those who favor "smaller government" and think government should not promote "traditional values." Using this method, FreedomWorks data show that 41 percent of Republicans and Republican leaning independents are libertarian today.

Two separate data sources, Gallup and ANES, show the same trend: that libertarian views are at the highest point in a decade....

Of course, as I've have noted previously, not all these libertarians self-identify as such and many don't know the word. But even that seems to be changing, and it's not just Ted Cruz.

Sen. Rand Paul calls himself a "libertarian-leaning Republican." Glenn Beck now considers himself libertarian, saying "I'm a lot closer to Penn Jillette than I am to Chuck Hagel." Matt Drudge recently tweeted his frustration with Republicans on Syria, saying it's now "authoritarian vs. libertarian." According to FreedomWorks' poll, only 10 percent of Republicans "don't know" the word libertarian, compared to 27 percent nationally.

The data confirm that libertarian views may well have reached a tipping point in the Republican Party.

(Excerpt) Read more at cato.org ...


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1 posted on 09/30/2013 9:24:47 AM PDT by shego
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To: shego

Might better read Progressive Views in the Republican Party.....not Libertarian... which is just another name for “soft” Progressives.


2 posted on 09/30/2013 9:27:46 AM PDT by caww
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To: shego

I am not sure that the Libertarian views are increasing so much as not being for Expanded Government (against Program “A”) was defined once as Conservative because said government intrustion had not happened, and now being for Decreased Government (against Program “A”) is defined as Libertarian.

If your views were always that Program A is bad, you were conservative because you were against expanding government to it and now you are libertarian because you want to cut it.


3 posted on 09/30/2013 9:28:59 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: caww
I'll thank you for not calling Patriots of Liberty nasty names like progressive.

In return we will refrain from calling Republicans nasty names like soft fascists.

4 posted on 09/30/2013 9:29:46 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: caww

Libertarian (in the idealized term for “Liberty Loving”) is going to be re-branded as “Anti-Progressive” pretty soon for the next election...

Expect the Dems and RINOs to start using the term “Anit-Progressive” as they try to brainwash the masses into thinking that Liberty = Anti-Progress....

Which is a Lie, which is what Progressives ie. Statists are very good at!


5 posted on 09/30/2013 9:30:19 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: rawcatslyentist

In return we will refrain from calling Republicans nasty names like soft fascists.

Soft-Statists is what Establishment Republicans are Hard-Statists is what Establishment Democrats are!


6 posted on 09/30/2013 9:31:17 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: donmeaker

More traditional conservative views in my opinion. Basically restraint in spending, taxing, global affairs, and lawmaking.


7 posted on 09/30/2013 9:31:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: shego

I did not realize that frugal, small government advocate Thomas Jefferson was a Libertarian?!

Who knew?

I always thought that Jefferson was a Patriot !

Does that mean that Ted Cruz is not a Patriot, but instead is a Libertarian?


8 posted on 09/30/2013 9:32:15 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Marxist Obama'care' Insurance violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: caww

I submit you need to look up the difference between progressive and libertarian.

Cutting federal government spending and activity, whether the ‘war on some drugs’ or government regulation of healthcare insurance would not be progressive, but would be libertarian.

Progressives support recreational drug use because it creates social ills which they can use to justify creation of social programs. Libertarians support legalization of recreational drugs because it reduces the Authoritah of the police state and opportunities for government corruption.


9 posted on 09/30/2013 9:32:38 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: GraceG

I’m sure they’ll try, but libertarians are good at repelling hysterical slanders (e.g. the “anti-morality” nonsense I’ve seen here from some people).


10 posted on 09/30/2013 9:32:48 AM PDT by shego
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To: caww

Majority of Senate Republicans Cave on Obamacare Funding

Republicans could have stopped the funding of Obamacare dead in its tracks, but the following Obamacare-supporting Republican Senators ignored the will of the American people and caved when it really mattered:

Alexander (up for re-election in 2014)
Ayotte
Barrasso
Blunt
Boozman
Burr
Chambliss
Chiesa
Coats
Coburn
Cochran (up for re-election in 2014)
Collins (up for re-election in 2014)
Corker
Cornyn (up for re-election in 2014)
Graham (up for re-election in 2014)
Hoeven
Isakson
Johanns
Johnson (WI)
Kirk
McCain
McConnell (up for re-election in 2014)
Murkowski
Thune
Wicker

Two Republican senators did not vote:

Flake
Hatch

As the law authorizing President Obama to spend more money on Obamacare expires this Monday, it is up to the House to make the final stand. As Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution requires, all spending bills in Congress must originate in the House. Therefore, funding of Obamacare cannot happen without Republican support.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/27/Majority-of-Senate-Republicans-Cave-On-Obamacare-Funding


11 posted on 09/30/2013 9:39:08 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: donmeaker

Libertarians have always ‘split’ what could be an overwhelming vote....they are divisive and always will be.

Am laughing now because it’s just laughable those who support Libertarians always “center” on the drug issues one way or the other, no matter what the main issues is we’re really facing.

Sorry but no sell for me on Libs......


12 posted on 09/30/2013 9:44:45 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

“Borders, Language, Culture and I might add CONSTITUTION!!!!”


13 posted on 09/30/2013 9:47:02 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: KeyLargo
As Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution requires, all spending bills in Congress must originate in the House.

The Senate ran over that with a truck some time back. And outside of a few, the members of the House rubber stamped the unconstitutional legislation(s).

Some of the lawsuits against ObamaCare are on this basis. They are completely correct and thus will go nowhere in a venal and corrupt federal court system.

14 posted on 09/30/2013 9:48:29 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: rawcatslyentist

But both are just that....and it’s those who are ruining this country as well as the Progressive/Liberal/Globalists.

In other words...Government Politics are not at all of or by the People....it’s all about who has the media and who has the revenue.


15 posted on 09/30/2013 9:50:26 AM PDT by caww
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To: donmeaker
I'm starting to find that conservatives are becoming stronger proponents of welfare that I used to think they were. They need it because welfare is their last excuse for justifying prohibition. "We can't legalize drugs because the drug users will just go on welfare!" Take that away and it just makes them look like a bunch of busybodies who want to meddle in the lives of others with stollen money.
16 posted on 09/30/2013 9:50:28 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: shego

Barf Alert!

LoserTarians couldn’t shift themselves to go after Osama and the Taliban.

Permanently Anti-War is not a foreign policy.


17 posted on 09/30/2013 9:51:58 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Ted Cruz for President!)
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To: shego

Unfortunately libertarians are good at driving people away usually starting with trying to jump to the head of the parade and claiming they’re leading.


18 posted on 09/30/2013 9:52:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: shego

“yielded to Sen. Rand Paul, who invoked Frederic Bastiat’s “What is Seen and Unseen,”

This is a great book.

Everybody should read it.


19 posted on 09/30/2013 9:54:57 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: shego

Prepare for the “looks just like 1964” meme to get rolling. Assuming, of course, that the infantile journalists who report our “news” have any recollection or knowledge of the Goldwater days.

Had Kennedy lived or had Goldwater been elected we would be living in much different country than we are now. If we fall to the Marxists it will be Lyndon Johnson who will be remembered as the Father of the Downfall of America. And it will be a richly deserved title. (Some credits to Wilson and FDR who set the stage but it is Lyndon who pushed the button.)


20 posted on 09/30/2013 9:55:03 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: caww

Little ‘l’ libertarian is akin to conservatism, whereas the Big ‘L’ Libertarian Party is a more left wing based progressive organization. The two do not have all that much in common. Like any political movement, there are wide gaps in beliefs and ideas. Make no mistake, the conservative movement is deeply rooted in small l libertarianism. Reagan considered it a core of his beliefs as did most of our other movement patriarchs.


21 posted on 09/30/2013 9:56:01 AM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: Graewoulf

“I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism” -Ronald Reagan


22 posted on 09/30/2013 9:56:27 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Orangedog

I have never heard of an argument that linked drugs and welfare.

First, drug users now get welfare.

Second, legal drugs should have the price go down since most costs are associated with reacting to law enforcement.

Third, legal drugs should kill many illegal drug users, decreasing welfare costs.


23 posted on 09/30/2013 9:56:54 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: Don Corleone
<......“Borders, Language, Culture and I might add CONSTITUTION!!!!”.....>

Where?... Not the USA....Borders are open...Culture is no longer “American”.....Constitution is not used but abused and not inforced any longer.

Sovereignty of this nation is fast moving into the hands, and is, of the Globalists and their agenda.

24 posted on 09/30/2013 9:57:02 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Um, no.

Unless one considers “anti-statist” capitalist to be progressive.


25 posted on 09/30/2013 9:58:41 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: ilgipper
It remains divisive on the issues...like a box of chocolates you never know what you’re going to get from them....and they like it that way.... Libertarianism remains divisive.

Mention a third party and you see clearly where they rest.

26 posted on 09/30/2013 10:01:17 AM PDT by caww
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To: shego; Jim Robinson

Interesting.

All I know is Libertarians and conservative Republicans are lined up rock solid, whether we like cream or sugar, to stave off Marxists.

To fan infighting between purist conservatives and other Republican conservative activists, and now add a food fight against Libertarians, seems to me, thins out our troops for the taking of that hill up there, that together we are ALL for taking.

You have to wonder how long some of us are going to be willing to stick with Cruz when he has to take the curves, in order to grow the base, the party and most of all, grow the voters. We haven’t had to come to terms with that question, but we’re going to sooner or later.

Kissing babies along the way is not necessarily a bead on how you govern, but you gotta’ kiss those babies.


27 posted on 09/30/2013 10:01:25 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: caww; shego

Shego has an agenda here. He has promoted Robert Sarvis, the Libertarian candidate for governor of Virginia. Sarvis is pro-abortion, loves queers, is anti-gun, and is a racebaiter.


28 posted on 09/30/2013 10:03:02 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)
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To: donmeaker

If you haven’t had the welfare rag waved at you here on drug legalization then you haven’t been in some of the scraps I’ve been in. And I’ve pointed that if Target and Walmart were competing to deliver the highest quality meth for the lowest cost, the meth problem would fix itself toot-sweet from all the over doses. That argument seems to work since they have a hard time being against dead drug abusers.


29 posted on 09/30/2013 10:04:26 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: caww
It's all about the choom, and it is a veritable Pavlonian response. You can see it right here on this thread. Neither the article nor the polls nor the original poster mentioned drugs, yet the thread is rapidly devolving into a WoD thread.

Libertatian = legalization. If a few other freedoms flourish as a side effect they probabaly wouldn't argue, but in the end it is all about the choom. At the end of the day if all they got was the choom I suspect that they would be entirely content.

30 posted on 09/30/2013 10:05:38 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: shego
Sen. Rand Paul, who invoked Frederic Bastiat's "What is Seen and Unseen," a favorite among libertarians

There's nothing particularly libertarian about Bastiat's essay. It's just good economics.

31 posted on 09/30/2013 10:06:10 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: shego
None of this shi! matters. America is finished and will never get back to the land of the free. We are controlled by the communists Democrats with the hard core communists leader King Obama. We have been defeated.
32 posted on 09/30/2013 10:06:46 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: KeyLargo

Of course they caved on Obamacare....are you surprised?

We went down this road with the very passage of Obamacare and saw first hand what they will do....this is on the same track ....because it is NOT about the American people...it’s about what every representative stands to gain or loose for themselves...but it’s always twisted to say something else altogether that the people will drink down.

Look at this mess now...what the heck are they doing even considering delays or anything of that nature....they are folding still...they didn’t hold the line and they never will... history shows us that time and again.


33 posted on 09/30/2013 10:07:46 AM PDT by caww
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To: ChildOfThe60s

No matter how the picture is painted and the colors blurred...’the House’ has been the deciders and controllers of this...and they folded and continue to do so...that’s the bottom line...they didn’t hold the line..period!


34 posted on 09/30/2013 10:10:25 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Are you for real RKBA?

Are you for a Federal government strictly limited to it's Art 1 Sec 8 powers?

Are you for the freedom OF religion instead of some made up freedom "from" religion?

Do you believe people have a right to say what they want, but that freedom of association means you don't have to allow them in your business/organization?

Do you think the government spends/regulates too much and that this hurts the entire economy?

Do you believe you own your own property?

Congrats... You just may be a libertarian yourself.

35 posted on 09/30/2013 10:11:10 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: jboot

Only because you idiots keep bringing it up.

There are more important issues here.

Grow up.


36 posted on 09/30/2013 10:12:14 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Again...Libertarianism has always been divisive when facing the big decisions.

You can throw out there all you want of where you think they stand...but it makes no difference to me....they are remain divisive to what could otherwise be slam dunks.


37 posted on 09/30/2013 10:15:04 AM PDT by caww
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To: Logical me

<...”None of this shi! matters. America is finished and will never get back to the land of the free”....>

Sad to say but you are pretty much right...we won’t see the American we’ve once known again...remember ol’ Michelle said she and Obama would bring us “kicking and screaming”....and that’s exactly why they will not bend...they were already prepared for it to be real messy...they and all those who supported his election.

Didn’t we say ourselves to hang on for the ride? We knew it would be so...and these bums have years yet to continue to drive this country..and will work fast now for they have nothing whatsoever to loose.

While we are still bent out of shape over Obamacare..they are already prepared to drive Immigration through just as they did Obamacare....once this passes. They are not finished wrecking this country yet...be sure of that!


38 posted on 09/30/2013 10:20:56 AM PDT by caww
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To: shego

??????????


39 posted on 09/30/2013 10:21:28 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Dead Corpse
There are more important issues here.

Indeed. But when the chips are down and the Republic is in a shambles, Libertarians still rush to argue for drugs.

I don't think I am the one that needs to grow up.

40 posted on 09/30/2013 10:25:23 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: jboot
…yet the thread is rapidly devolving into a WoD thread.

It's simply the biggest target and the longest running excuse for the government to infringe on our privacy and freedoms. Don't worry...if that mistake in governing is corrected we'll move on to opposing they next threat to freedom. Probably abolishing the department t of homeland security and taking away the department of education's SWAT teams.

41 posted on 09/30/2013 10:26:07 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: shego

every week you post this crap, WHY???

Is it because you’re a Ron Paul supporter who wants to infiltrate the GOP?


42 posted on 09/30/2013 10:29:53 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Graewoulf

this poster posts this crap every week, he or she is obviously a troll.


43 posted on 09/30/2013 10:30:44 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: CatherineofAragon

just said the same.

he or she posts this crap every week and obviously has an agenda is a troll.


44 posted on 09/30/2013 10:32:12 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: All

10% of republicans “don’t know the word libertarian”? That means there are 10% who don’t know what day it is and love everyone who has a “R” after their name. I know there are at least that many democrats who “don’t know the word liberal”.


45 posted on 09/30/2013 10:32:25 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: rawcatslyentist

The progressive, leftist social views of libertarians is undoubtedly growingly accepted among the young, we all know that.

Conservatives have been facing a two front war against the left’s/libertarian social liberalism for quite some time.


46 posted on 09/30/2013 10:33:12 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: jboot
Libertarians still rush to argue for drugs.

Their real gains this year have been in homosexualizing the military and the acceptance of equality for gay marriage at the federal level in employment and immigration, and of course, the military.

47 posted on 09/30/2013 10:36:34 AM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: caww

The fewer statists we make common cause with the better.


48 posted on 09/30/2013 10:36:34 AM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: manc; shego

Yep.

Thinks we need to drop social issues, too.


49 posted on 09/30/2013 10:38:02 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)
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To: Orangedog
It's simply the biggest target and the longest running excuse for the government to infringe on our privacy and freedoms.

True, though the "War on Terror" is catching up (and is showing the Keystone Kop incompetence of the government in even sharper relief -- they spy on everything and can't find people they were specifically warned about).

50 posted on 09/30/2013 10:41:30 AM PDT by shego
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