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How the Tea Party is winning the GOP fight over ObamaCare
The Week ^ | Sept 18, 2013 | By Jon Terbush

Posted on 09/18/2013 8:38:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Congressional Republicans have battled each other of late over which tack to take in handling the next showdown over the budget. The Tea Party wing of the party has refused to support any budget bill unless it kills ObamaCare, while the more moderate leadership, wary of the political fallout from such an all-or-nothing gamble, has resisted the plan.

It looks like the Tea Party just won round one.

House Republicans will soon stage a vote on a budget bill — known as a continuing resolution (CR) — that both funds the government and defunds the Affordable Care Act, according to National Review's Robert Costa. This means that far-right conservatives "have won a victory, at least in terms of getting the leadership to go along with their strategy," Costa wrote.

House Speaker John Boehner's (R-Ohio) spokesman said that "no decisions" have been made regarding the CR vote. But the fact that the bill is even up for consideration underscores how effective the Tea Party has been in bulldozing the rest of the party on such a fraught issue.

Assuming a CR bill defunding ObamaCare passes the House, it would surely die in the Democratic-controlled Senate. And even if it were to somehow pass the upper chamber, it has absolutely zero chance of getting past President Obama's desk.

Washington's fiscal year comes to a close at the end of the month. If there is no deal by then, the government will shut down all nonessential services. While that would be less calamitous than a previously floated idea to tie ObamaCare to the debt ceiling, linking a vote to defund ObamaCare to the budget would nonetheless be a bold line in the sand, drawn at the behest of a small, vocal corner of the party.

So how did we get here?

Sen. Cruz...

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1 posted on 09/18/2013 8:38:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Time for some tough conservative talk. You can have a CR or Obamacare, but not both. You want Obamacare? Fine, give us a balanced budget that funds it. You want a CR? Fine, the only CR gets approved without Obamacare.

Too bad there's hardly anyone with the cajones to say that.

2 posted on 09/18/2013 8:42:48 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: Jim Robinson
This means that far-right conservatives "have won a victory, at least in terms of getting the leadership to go along with their strategy," Costa wrote.

I'm becoming tired of being considered "Far Right." Fiscally responsible citizens with a healthy respect for our original constitution and purpose are now labelled radicals and extremists. The scary part of that is it is starting to grow roots.

Who today is considered "Far Left"? Anyone. It seems the whole "left" can go screaming down hill towards socialism/facism and centralized, all powerfull government and not get labelled. But the further they go, the further right we become while standing still on our positions.

Boener then is like a raft adrift in a left current while tea party type folks are deep heavy anchors resisting the current.

3 posted on 09/18/2013 8:44:19 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The best way to fix a broken system is to SHUT IT DOWN, and THEN fix it.

Newt SHUT DOWN the US Federal Government in the 1990’s and it WORKED!

The Liberal Agenda Media and the Democrats boo-hooed to this day, but Newt achieved success.

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The only way to force a spoiled brat to behave is to punish, punish, punish.

The worst punishment that a Democrat, or RINO can imagine is to take away their ability to spend our tax dollars.

The best way to do that is to shutdown the non-essental parts of the US Federal Government, starting with mothballing Air Force One.


4 posted on 09/18/2013 8:54:34 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Tenacious 1

It’s like they picked up the whole political spectrum and moved the curve 3 sigma to the left. What used to be Center is now Far Right. It’s growing roots because as Reich Minister Goebbels proved, propaganda works.


5 posted on 09/18/2013 9:01:39 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Graewoulf

Air Force One is considered ESSENTIAL.

What’s happened is that Obama has abused his use of it like no other before him.

Two different issues. Is Air Force One essential? And has Obama grossly abused its use?


6 posted on 09/18/2013 9:02:12 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Tenacious 1
I guess the rub is the term you use, "Fiscally responsible citizen".

If the "fiscally responsible citizen" thinks the US can cut her way out of her looming deficit problems, then that citizen is not very fiscally responsible.

The US will have to grow her way out of the problem.

And to make things worse, if the "Fiscally responsible citizen" wants to drive the nation over the cliff, or dance around the edge of the cliff, the citizen is impeding economic growth and hastening the collapse of the nation.

And the question becomes, what credentials does this "fiscally responsible citizen" have? What does he know about it?

7 posted on 09/18/2013 9:05:10 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Tenacious 1
I'm becoming tired of being considered "Far Right."

Amen! 'Far right' = normal, gun-owning, Constitution-embracing Americans.

8 posted on 09/18/2013 9:05:36 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Is the ACA another blind alley like TARP...waste,fraud, and probably would not hold up in court as to Constitutional legality? Obamacare is constitutionally wrong, regardless of what Justice Roberts said....it is illegal and therefore I don’t have an obligation to obey any of the Obamacare ‘mandates’. Congress doesn’t want it for themselves or their staff; the Unions are railing against it and other factions want out. Why is there any reason to continue implementing this illegal monster, so toxic, so legally lethal every page should be incinerated, scattering the ashes to the winds.


9 posted on 09/18/2013 9:07:43 AM PDT by yoe ("They Come To America" order it now: http://www.theycometoamerica.com/buy-dvd/)
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To: Tenacious 1; bigbob
Who today is considered "Far Left"? Anyone. It seems the whole "left" can go screaming down hill towards socialism/fascism and centralized, all powerfull government and not get labeled. But the further they go, the further right we become while standing still on our positions.

It’s like they picked up the whole political spectrum and moved the curve 3 sigma to the left. What used to be Center is now Far Right.

How so very true! The political spectrum has indeed raced towards progressive socialism. JFK, with his positions on Business, taxes, government, strong credible Defense, RICO crime, would now be considered 'right' of Ronald Reagan.

10 posted on 09/18/2013 9:15:36 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Jim Robinson; mtnwmn; Vindication; skinkinthegrass; katiedidit1; upchuck; TheOldLady; ...

Ted Cruz Ping!


11 posted on 09/18/2013 9:19:15 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Jim Robinson
The house should pass a CR with everything funded except for Obamacare. If the Senate ignores the House version and sends any CR bill to the House, it should be immediately blue slipped as an appropriation bill not originating in the House.
12 posted on 09/18/2013 9:19:37 AM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: txrangerette

Question: If AF1 were to be mothballed, would B. Hussein Obama then sit in his Oval Office chair, as Clint Eastwood suggested, or would B. Hussein instead spend more of his free time playing Golf?

Algore would have to admit that “The Carbon Footprint” of AF1 has caused significant , and irreparable harm to the utopian hope that His Arrogantness Obama will ever be able to keep his promise to stop the rising of Global Ocean Level.

The only thing that is essential about AF1 is that it justifies Biden getting AF2 and Michelle getting AF3.

If Biden and Michelle are content with their Air Force Corporate Jets, that B. Hussein can spend more time Golfing.

BTW, just who is more uppity that the Obamas?


13 posted on 09/18/2013 9:23:14 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, we are winning big time but it’s important to be VERIFY!

Some Republican staffers are sure to try sabotage.

And to all...good job with the calls and emails!
Now its time to fight the media!


14 posted on 09/18/2013 9:24:14 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Jim Robinson

The soundest strategy that meets both long term and short term goals isn’t defunding, which the story correctly notes will never pass the Senate, let alone Obama, but instead is suspending.

Suspending it gives you what you want short term, plus gives you the chance to continue to beat Democrats in election after election. Once you have a Congressional majority, then defund it.

We need to win and hold the Congress for at least a generation. Conservatives need to learn to play chess. The long game is what we lack.


15 posted on 09/18/2013 9:25:03 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: cincinnati65

Yes, Admiral Ackbar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA

That’s a trap.


16 posted on 09/18/2013 9:27:52 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Graewoulf

Nonsense. Think about it, first. Now is the time for thoughtful compromise. Obama’s on the ropes, along with the Democrats, let’s keep them there.

First, you simply suspend Obamacare and pass that bill along to the Senate after making it clear that you’re doing it for the economy and the jobs situation. That’s your mantra - jobs, economy, economy, jobs - ad infinitum.

We need to win elections and we only control the House. We need to Senate (2014) and ideally the Presidency in 2016. Think long term. We can afford to be magnanimous and capture that mushy middle. Show them that we can work with them and then implement our agenda over time.

See the Commerce Clause and Wickard v. Filburn for how you can return the 50 states to an open, free trade zone. Watch America boom again.


17 posted on 09/18/2013 9:31:37 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: yoe

If obama can pick and choose which laws will be enforced, the people can pick and choose which laws to obey.


18 posted on 09/18/2013 9:31:40 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Jim Robinson

Boehner hates the TEA Party, but they are his best neighbors in West Chester, Ohio where they all live.


19 posted on 09/18/2013 9:31:44 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: 1010RD

The Cave In RINO way has never helped our Republic, but always helped the Democrats.

Sobber of the House Boehner is living proof of that mindset.

Well, also Cantor, McConnell, Romney, McCain, Dole, etc.

I call them the “Beltway Bastards.”


20 posted on 09/18/2013 9:44:12 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: VerySadAmerican
If obama can pick and choose which laws will be enforced, the people can pick and choose which laws to obey.

Amen! Where's MY exemption?


21 posted on 09/18/2013 9:48:00 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson

What do we have to lose? Hopefully McCain, Graham, Boner, etc.


22 posted on 09/18/2013 9:53:09 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: txrangerette

If AF1 is “essential,” then Obastard won’t have any trouble taking his hat in his hand, and asking Congress to specifically approve any use of it. Otherwise it’s just another perk of the job.


23 posted on 09/18/2013 10:00:15 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: Jim Robinson

A big smooch to you for pounding these stories home, on FR. Major “atta’ boy”!

I repeat myself, but, we are right now in the eye of the storm, or else Lee, Cruz and Paul would be swarming the press conferences with solid information. They are not.

Methinks they are in the trenches leaning on some folks, and cracking arms.

McConnel for sure. Thanks, Mr. Jim.


24 posted on 09/18/2013 10:07:44 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Graewoulf

With my approach there isn’t any ‘cave-in’. It’s a honey trap for the Democrats and Obama.

We’re not in a position to win. We can win, but not now. We need a long vision here. We need to win and run things, get it?


25 posted on 09/18/2013 10:22:15 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Tenacious 1

Me too——change “far right”to DEAD CENTER-—that’s where the good of the country lies.


26 posted on 09/18/2013 10:22:19 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Jim Robinson
Make the fight about all these C's. Ask why the Senate can't pass a budget in the first place.

-PJ

27 posted on 09/18/2013 10:25:33 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Jane Long
Pelosi discovers Obamacare doesn't provide Botox


28 posted on 09/18/2013 10:31:06 AM PDT by spokeshave (While Zero plays silly card games like Spades - Putin plays for keeps.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Obama can ride his bus to his campaign stops and vacations. He doesn’t need to pollute the earth with that big old jet.


29 posted on 09/18/2013 10:31:56 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Tenacious 1
I'm becoming tired of being considered "Far Right." Fiscally responsible citizens with a healthy respect for our original constitution and purpose are now labelled radicals and extremists. The scary part of that is it is starting to grow roots

You are right on point, 'they' keep putting it out there until the the phone zombies finally regurgitate it as fact. If we can't make the press play fair though, we can't stop it.

30 posted on 09/18/2013 10:32:14 AM PDT by Kenny (<p)
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To: RitaOK

Thank you very much, Rita!

We finally have a few reps that fight!

Go, Cruz, go!


31 posted on 09/18/2013 10:34:11 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: spokeshave

Eeeew! Looks like she’s saying “0’DeathCare for you...not for me!”.


32 posted on 09/18/2013 10:34:30 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: rrrod

Just a thought, has anyone researched the media’s coverage under Obamacare? Are there exceptions for any of them?

I just can’t imagine that they’d be pushing so hard for it if they had to live under it.


33 posted on 09/18/2013 10:35:05 AM PDT by Kenny (<p)
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To: Jim Robinson

We have to keep the pressure on the GOP.....don’t let up!!


34 posted on 09/18/2013 10:39:29 AM PDT by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: 1010RD

B/S! We finally have some of these bozos fighting. No surrender, no retreat! Our God-given liberty is not subject to debate, negotiation, or compromise!

Any compromise with the Marxist/fascist left is surrendering our rights.

Surrender?

Nuts!

We have not yet begun to fight!


35 posted on 09/18/2013 10:41:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: 1010RD

Have a nice life.


36 posted on 09/18/2013 10:44:52 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: 1010RD

Have a nice life.


37 posted on 09/18/2013 10:44:52 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: 1010RD
Do I understand the alternatives correctly?

(1) debt ceiling increase conditional upon amendment of ACHA;

(2) CR does not fund AHCA expenditures; or

(3) suspend implementation of AHCA.

Which of these three should we be supporting?

Which is Ted Cruz's favored approach?

What precisely do you mean by "suspend"? How do you force that legislation through? ... contingent upon debt ceiling increase? ... contingent upon CR passage? Is suspension really a distinction without a difference?

38 posted on 09/18/2013 10:48:53 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: RitaOK

Why not have the true Republicans request a BINDING, updated, “Federal Financial Impact Statement” for 2012-2013 for Obama”care?”

It should take a month or two to complete, allow for a vote to delay Obama”care” for a year, and then show the great financial harm to our Economy that the Statement’s numbers will document.

Wharton, Stanford, Michigan and Princeton could also file their independent Financial Impact Statements to compare to the Office of Budget and the Congressional Budget Office Financial Impact Statements.

As B. Hussein is fond of saying: “We need to get all the facts first.”


39 posted on 09/18/2013 10:52:10 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: 1010RD

We never win if we don’t start.

In this case, start a fight. And just for once, don’t put it off ‘til next time, don’t stall, don’t run, don’t change our mind, and don’t change the plan.

Squishy is out.

You have no idea what all can be gained by making democrats shoot their foot off, naming our poison, with their obamacare senate vote, and by finally calling out Mince McConnell, making him push defunding. One and done.

If it doesn’t work, talk to us then.


40 posted on 09/18/2013 11:02:55 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“House Republicans will soon stage a vote on a budget bill — known as a continuing resolution (CR) — that both funds the government and defunds the Affordable Care Act...”

Sorry. They lost me at “STAGE.”

Until the vote is a DONE DEAL; it’s all just theatrics. Dog-and-pony; smoke-and-mirrors; hocus-pocus. SSDD.

Deliver me the body stone dead, and THEN I might begin to believe.


41 posted on 09/18/2013 11:07:53 AM PDT by HKMk23 (ditditdit dahdahdah ditditdit)
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To: RitaOK
In this case, start a fight. And just for once, don’t put it off ‘til next time, don’t stall, don’t run, don’t change our mind, and don’t change the plan.

Measure how well the plan is working by how loudly the MSM squeals. Get in the talking head's faces and tell them if they weren't squealing we would know we missed the target.

Tell the talking heads it is an American thing and they could not possibly understand.We are fighting the MSM, not the democrats.

42 posted on 09/18/2013 11:35:13 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Jim Robinson

....”If there is no deal by then, the government will shut down all nonessential services.”

I think millions of us believe the shut down of “all non-essential services” is a GOOD thing!


43 posted on 09/18/2013 12:38:38 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Any compromise with the Marxist/fascist left is surrendering our rights.

Nope, we're getting them back. We can't win on this Jim. It will backfire. Now is the time to be magnanimous in victory and move the ball down the court.

We need the mushy middle to take the Senate and expand our hold on the house. Moreover we must come off as statesmen, working toward the greater good and compromising. We need to hold onto power for at least a generation to undo all the damage. To do that we need to compromise, but in our direction.

By simply suspending Obamacare we put the Democrats in a lose-lose position. They will look reckless if they don't compromise with us. If they do, then Obama is wounded and so are they. It's brilliant political strategy and brilliant policy.

You come out and say, "Look folks, we have real solutions to health care access and cost. We don't have the votes in the Senate to fix this right. Obamacare is killing our economy. We've compromised and just moved to suspend it for the time being to help the economy."

That puts the ball squarely in Obama and the Democrats court. What can the capon media do to protect them? Nothing.

We're winning and we need to recognize it. When was the last time people were talking about the Constitution like they are now? Gun control is a death wish for Democrats even in Chicago. Abortion is being beat down. The next big goal is getting government shrunken down to its Constitutional limits.

We won't get there as a minority party. We need to play chess here.

44 posted on 09/18/2013 1:34:11 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Graewoulf

Thanks.


45 posted on 09/18/2013 1:34:36 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Graewoulf

Worth repeating and I appreciate it. Same to you.


46 posted on 09/18/2013 1:34:56 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Kennard

Pass a budget that suspends Obamacare. Let the Senate fight it out with themselves. Right now the thing to kill is Obamacare and the Administration that jammed it down our throats.

You don’t have the votes in the Senate to kill it and Obama will veto it and the media will show us starving children, homeless soldiers and bread lines. Then they blame the rabid right.

There is no forcing it through, there’s finessing it through. You want to keep Obamacare and its deleterious effect on the economy front and center. It’s the liberal masterpiece. Let them choke on it.

If you vote to kill Obamacare it goes nowhere and you look ridiculous. Suspending the ACA and letting Obama decide when it gets reimplemented forces him to pass the ACA twice.

It forces the Democrats to own it and any government shut down. If the Dem Senate doesn’t pass a suspension and lets the government shut down it’s they who wouldn’t compromise.

You go on every talk show and news station and say just that: “Obamacare is killing our economy and destroying jobs. We would like to end it. It’s terrible and we have better solutions, but we need the votes in the Senate to implement them. We compromised and look what the radically liberal Democrats did. They don’t care about America or the American people.”

You kick the populist leg right out of the Democrat stool (no pun intended). We’re the party of the people, we feel your pain, and we have the solutions. Give us the government and we’ll prove it.


47 posted on 09/18/2013 1:42:20 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: RitaOK

We have started. The fight is already engaged, haven’t you noticed?

There is no one and done. We don’t have the votes. I understand the frustration, but we need to think long term and generationally.

We got here starting a century ago with T. Roosevelt, then Wilson, Hoover and then FDR. FDR had nearly four terms. The Dems controlled Congress for nearly two generations. They had LBJ and the media on their side.

We need to use the levers of power most effectively. We only have the House. Suspension is the winning ticket and it will hurt the Dems and benefit us long term.

Remember there are more elections coming up.


48 posted on 09/18/2013 1:46:05 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Chess? You’re playing mush ball. Read Obama the commie’s lips. He will NOT negotiate with the Republicans!! Period. He’s drawn yet another red line. Obama/Reid have taken a hard communist line, but they have no ground to stand on.

They cannot spend any public money on this communist crap without congressional approval.

The Republicans need to take an even harder line. And stick to it no matter what!!

If they cave to the commies, there’s a whole bunch of RINOs who are going to get voted OUT!!


49 posted on 09/18/2013 2:08:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: 1010RD

Yup. You and your wimpy rinos had best understand that. There is another election coming up. We voted these assholes in to block ObamaCare. Do it or say goodbye to your offices!!


50 posted on 09/18/2013 2:11:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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