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Israel under pressure to give up chemical, nuclear weapons
The Jerusalem Post ^ | 9/18/2013 | Linda Gradstein

Posted on 09/18/2013 7:05:53 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

The United States-Russian deal for the destruction of Syria's huge chemical weapons stocks caused Israelis to breathe an audible sigh of relief.

Many expected that a U.S. strike would push either Syria or its ally Hezbollah tio retaliate by attacking Israel. Over the past few weeks, thousands of Israelis, not known for their patience, spent hours waiting in line for government-issued gas masks.

Yet the deal also increases pressure on Israel to get rid of its chemical and, even more troubling to the Jewish state, its nuclear stockpile. If Syria must get rid of its chemical weapons, the reasoning goes, why can't Israel do the same?

... Israel has always kept a low profile when it comes to its own chemical weapons program. They signed the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) in 1982 but never ratified it, which means that Israel considers itself bound by the spirit of the treaty, but not legally obligated to obesrve it.

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I have previously said that Israel was under no obligation (when being hit by Hezbollah rockets) to respond proportionally, which the UN harped that Israel wasn't doing. Why should they have to respond proportionally?

Secondly, why does the U.S. seem to always call the shots for Israel? Are they not an independent nation? If they want to defend themselves against Syria (which they have in bombing a nuclear facility) and Iraq (the same) and Iran, then are they free to do so?

Nevertheless, it would be best if Syria, Isreal, Iran, etc, etc let go of chemical and nuclear weapons. If not, this will continue to be a thorn in the ME that will continue to fester.

Just me two cents...

1 posted on 09/18/2013 7:05:53 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

The Putin-offered Obama deal raised this specter.

The Kerry gaffe laid the foundation...


2 posted on 09/18/2013 7:08:12 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Re giving them up — good luck with that.


3 posted on 09/18/2013 7:09:15 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Israel can take all the pressure this piss ant little President has to give. She knows that her final option of delivering all those fricking Muslims to their Allah is in her hands if she needs it.

The rest of the world can suck it.


4 posted on 09/18/2013 7:10:45 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Israel is the LAST people on the planet who should be asked to disarm themselves.


5 posted on 09/18/2013 7:13:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Israel will never give up their nukes.


6 posted on 09/18/2013 7:13:30 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The problem with your analysis is that Israel would be disarming itself with no assurance any other Middle East country would comply.


7 posted on 09/18/2013 7:13:36 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“No.”


8 posted on 09/18/2013 7:14:13 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why haven't we heard from the 30 Benghazi survivors?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Jupiter missiles out of Turkey ...


9 posted on 09/18/2013 7:15:16 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Henceforth, the Office of the President shall be known as IMPOTUS)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No!


10 posted on 09/18/2013 7:16:43 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: saganite

Do I honestly think that any of them - Syria, Iran, Israel - will give up any chem weapons? IMHO, nope.

Will Israel, Iran, Pakistan, etc, gice up their nuke programs?

IMHO, nope.


11 posted on 09/18/2013 7:16:44 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Uncle Miltie

Do I honmestly think that Israel, Syria, Iran, etc, will give up any/all chem weapons?

IMHO, nope.

What about Iran, Israel, Pakistan, etc on nuke program?

IMHO, nope.


12 posted on 09/18/2013 7:18:24 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: RedMDer

Read #11 and #12.


13 posted on 09/18/2013 7:18:48 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: saganite

To destroy Israel with unconventional weapons is to destroy the Dome of the Rock.

If Islam is willing to destroy its second most religious facility, then I would guess Mecca and Qom is in play.


14 posted on 09/18/2013 7:19:39 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I agree nobody's going to give up anything. But what the Putin deal can do is take chemical weapons off the table for both sides. The rebels can't use them and blame Syria. Syria can't use them if they don't have them, or are claiming they don't have them.

Why can't the whole world just rise up and say we're sick of war?

15 posted on 09/18/2013 7:22:38 AM PDT by grania
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I have no doubt that Israel will relinquish some of their tactical nuclear weapons... at a time and target of their own choosing.


16 posted on 09/18/2013 7:22:46 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
No!
I hope Israel stands fast and keep all their weapons.
Only a liberal or a fool (but I repeat myself) would believe disarming Israel would make the Middle East a safer place.

17 posted on 09/18/2013 7:25:47 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“If Syria must get rid of its chemical weapons, the reasoning goes, why can’t Israel do the same?”

Reasoning? There’s no reasoning there.


18 posted on 09/18/2013 7:27:41 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

fock that, Israel needs all the weaponry it can get, why would they give up nuclear while Iran develops theirs?

How about hell no, nuclear and chemical won’t go


19 posted on 09/18/2013 7:27:57 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Israel must and will retain the capability to deter enemies and defend itself against vastly larger forces.


20 posted on 09/18/2013 7:28:45 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I thought Israel “officially” didn't have nuclear weapons. There response should be Nuclear Weapons? What nuclear weapons?
21 posted on 09/18/2013 7:33:11 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Obama can kiss off on this one. He and Putin set up this charade to bring up the subject of Israel’s nuclear counter fire.... America managed to get S. Africa to transfer her WMD before forcing the white government out, however there were three other nations that benefited from the same program that allowed development of nuclear weapons. Each of the four nations were kept from being full members of the UN by China and Russia, or the Arab bloc. During the cold war, it was a time when if war between super powers erupted, proxies at all levels would respond to the larger confrontation. The USSR armed it’s proxies with Chemical Weapons on their own order of battle, with the same equipment and deployment of their forces - hence the US/NATO ability to destroy these forces in the Middle East at will, given the failure of the equipment to keep pace in a technologically changing world with the USSR’s demise. US Clients or proxies were given a continuous and uninterrupted flow of weapons technology. Reviving the cold war by Russia today is a bad idea since they themselves are still rebuilding after Gorby sought peace from a point of weakness. Those other three nations have never been invaded by their neighbors since the suspected 1878-1979 explosions off S. Africa’s coast which were suspected to be nuclear. Two of the three countries today are thriving Tigers in Asia and the third has her ancient capital in Jerusalem.


22 posted on 09/18/2013 7:35:16 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

LOL thats funny


23 posted on 09/18/2013 7:36:39 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: Gaffer
“She knows that her final option of delivering all those fricking Muslims to their Allah is in her hands if she needs it.”

Their nuclear weapons are called the “Samson Option”. If Israel is lost, Israel will take the Arabs with them when they send out their mass of nuclear bombs.

Samson couldn't get away from the bad guys, so he pulled down the building on top of them and himself. He died, but they died with him.

24 posted on 09/18/2013 7:36:42 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Not "give up."

EXPORT!

Air delivery works.

25 posted on 09/18/2013 7:59:33 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

> If Syria must get rid of its chemical weapons, the reasoning goes, why can’t Israel do the same?

Because Israel is NOT controlled by 7th century religious nutjobs who desire to force their evil religion upon everyone. The islam party would use them to terrorize and kill millions.

Only ignorant and/or leftists do not understand this fact.


26 posted on 09/18/2013 8:22:15 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If only the defenders would lay down their arms, the fighting would soon end.

(With the death or enslavement of the defenders).

Aggressors of the world - UNITE!


27 posted on 09/18/2013 8:26:49 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Israel must have nuclear weapons, based on simple logic.

Four (actually more) times, the Muslim world has tried to destroy Israel. Destroy meaning annihilation, not just conquest. By any means possible. They say it again and again. They teach it to their children in school.

By comparison, what if Russia and China openly called for exterminating all Americans, so that North America would become part of China; and *then* asked America to get rid of all its nuclear weapons? They would be willing to disarm North Korea in exchange.

Aren’t we willing to meet them halfway in their demand, to insure peace? If we just get rid of our nuclear weapons then *maybe* they will stop calling for our extermination.

Umm. Nope. I don’t think so.

Israel is in such a precarious position that it cannot limit itself to brinksmanship with any particular aggressor nation. For example, with technology being the way it is today, if one Muslim nation attacked Israel, Israel could be so damaged that after that fight it would be helpless against another Muslim nation, with conventional weapons.

And almost without saying so, if Israel was perceived as weak under any circumstance, there would be *several* Muslim nations that would immediately attack it. They just cannot control their violent impulses.

So if Israel does get a serious attack from a Muslim nation, its logical nuclear retaliation should be against any and all Muslim nations that *could* conventionally attack them.

They cannot even wait for hostilities from the second nation, because their nuclear weapons are the primary target for attack by the aggressor nations. If they wait, their nukes could be destroyed.

This was a big reason for putting nuclear cruise missiles in their submarines, so that even if their land based missiles were destroyed, they could still wipe out any Muslim army seeking to invade and destroy them.

More nukes for them, means more opportunity for peace. They need nukes. The Muslim world does not.

The US had to mightily threaten Pakistan, because as soon as it developed nuclear weapons, it wanted to use them against India, which in turn put together its own nuclear weapons at a brisk clip. But even then, knowing that they would be nuked as well, Pakistan was good to go in attacking their hated enemy. Dumbasses.

So the US had to send one of our diplomats to Pakistan, and threaten that the US would annihilate their entire nation if they threw as much as a single nuke at India. Then he went to India and gave them the same threat, though not as much, because India had no desire to nuke Pakistan, and just wanted to be left alone by them.


28 posted on 09/18/2013 8:34:51 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All
IMHO they are trying to nudge Israel to submit and to not be an economic threat to Russia, it is all about the oil and Natural Gas.

Click on the link below, and read this article posted here about a week ago. It is so Poetic, the land of Milk and Honey, look at the color of the Oil coming out of the ground From Israel that Mr. Vinegar is holding...

IMHO Putan must be crapping his shorts over the prospect of Israel challenging their energy dominance which drives "his" machine / country.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/should-israel-get-oil-out-of-vinegar-for-an-energy-revolution/

29 posted on 09/18/2013 8:38:39 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: grania
Why can't the whole world just rise up and say we're sick of war?

LOL, just have a Coke and teach the world to sing. The truth is the world isn't sick of war, neither is the prince of this world.

30 posted on 09/18/2013 8:42:05 AM PDT by xone
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Fat chance Odungo and Putrid!!


31 posted on 09/18/2013 9:01:51 AM PDT by EinNYC
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
It's my understanding that nukes cost a lot to keep up. As well, chemicals do lose their potency over time.
Israel should just re-fit themselves with newer armaments and THEN give up their old nukes and chem weapons. Easy way to sucker someone else into disposing of them saving $$$.

Or they can give up their nukes nose first and armed, makes no difference to me at this point.

32 posted on 09/18/2013 9:23:13 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

An old man once told me “If someone gives you money, they’re going to tell you how to spend it.” That’s why the US tries to tell Israel what to do.


33 posted on 09/18/2013 9:36:30 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

..and Medina.


34 posted on 09/18/2013 10:58:55 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: soycd
Any religious government that REWARDS COMMITTING SUICIDE FOR ALLAH should NOT have nuclear weapons! For example, there are scores of 'twelvers' in Iran who WANT nuclear holocaust so as to bring the 12th Iman into being!!
35 posted on 09/18/2013 11:06:08 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Ooops.. “12th Imam”, not “Iman”.


36 posted on 09/18/2013 11:07:02 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Ooops.. “12th Imam”, not “Iman”.

I was just going to say, what does David Bowie's wife have to do with it?

37 posted on 09/18/2013 11:08:57 AM PDT by dfwgator
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38 posted on 09/18/2013 5:48:52 PM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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To: SJackson

What does nukes have to do with it? Syria doesn’t have nukes. Why would any well meaning person or entity think Israel should give up its nukes?


39 posted on 09/18/2013 6:09:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: grania

Good people would be subjugated by bad people if they gave up their weapons.

“Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who don’t.” Benjamin Franklin

Joel 3:10- Beat your plowshares into swords And your pruning hooks into spears; Let the weak say, “I am a mighty man.”

After Jesus Christ returns to Earth, then we can peaceably disarm.

Isaiah 2:4
He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.


40 posted on 09/18/2013 8:39:46 PM PDT by Redcitizen (.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The US “calls the shots” because we are currently occupying a good portion of the Arab world and at least conducting black ops against the rest.

That being said, Israel will flip the rigid digit to these requests and are right to do so. The thought of Mecca and Medina and every major Arab city being turned into glowing green glass is one of the few reasons the ragheads haven’t simply abandoned strategy and overwhelmed Israel with, say, a mass infantry charge. The other being that Arabs are so mentally and morally stunted that they can BARELY stop killing each other for ten minutes to do anything else.


41 posted on 09/19/2013 5:17:13 AM PDT by Me1onCollie
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