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A new Utah polygamous family on reality TV [more normalizing deviancy]
AP ^ | 9/16/2013 | BRADY McCOMBS

Posted on 09/16/2013 2:42:49 AM PDT by markomalley

Brady Williams has five wives, 24 children but no organized religion.

The newest polygamous family from Utah on reality TV considers itself progressive and independent. Williams and his wives slowly withdrew from the fundamentalist Mormon church in their rural community outside of Salt Lake City during the mid-2000s after re-evaluating their core beliefs.

The family no longer teaches the tenets of fundamental Mormonism to their children at home, opting instead to take from other teachings such as Buddhism to instill good, morale values in their two dozen children, who range in age from 2-20.

"Since we have left the religion, it's now about love and it's about commitment, and it's about happiness as a family," said Brady Williams, 43, a project manager in his brother's construction business. "It's not about the fear of hell or the promise of heaven."

It wasn't the first time Brady Williams has crossed religious lines. As a teenager, his parents left mainstream Mormonism and joined polygamy. He said that transition was very difficult, but not as hard as leaving the fundamentalist church his five wives all grew up in.

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1 posted on 09/16/2013 2:42:50 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Morale values? Where have all the editors gone?


2 posted on 09/16/2013 2:51:20 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: markomalley

Gross violation of federal law. Why is this guy not going to jail?


3 posted on 09/16/2013 3:02:11 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: markomalley

I’m not really surprised. I figure polygamy will be the next big “redefining marriage” battle. To play Devil’s Advocate for a moment, if two men can be married, why not a man and two women? I mean, the argument is “love is love” right?

Of course, many of the pro-gay marriage talking heads pooh-pooh such talk, as (in their view) it’s not a constitutional issue with polygamists. But such things are not decided strictly in terms of constitutional law. There is the court of public opinion, and the consequences involved with the undermining of the strength and meaning of a concept through an ever-expanding definition. In this case, marriage.


4 posted on 09/16/2013 3:02:27 AM PDT by DemforBush (Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia!)
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To: markomalley

I’m not sure it should be labeled deviant. Most early Bible characters had many wives, and young ones to boot.
I’d be more inclined to label polygamy as illegal.


5 posted on 09/16/2013 3:06:31 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: markomalley

From TFA:

> Brady Williams said the increasing social and legal acceptance of gay marriage has helped society open up toward plural marriage.

What more proof does anyone want, that this is all part of a larger plan to undermine traditional values across the board???


6 posted on 09/16/2013 3:08:05 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Won’t be long and the libs (demodummies) will start to push for this life style along with all the homo and deviant laws they pushed down America’s throat. Pretty soon there will be exemption for the number of wives each person has. (Note I said “person” since the gay’s can call males or females wives.)


7 posted on 09/16/2013 3:21:15 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I think they really meant morale values. I see no sign of moral values there.


8 posted on 09/16/2013 3:27:28 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

I see you point. Obama certainly has my morale in the dumpster!


9 posted on 09/16/2013 3:28:36 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Timber Rattler

Really only one has a marriage license the others just had a ceremony. That is why he is not in jail.


10 posted on 09/16/2013 3:30:04 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: DainBramage

Wrong argument: the politically-correct argument is: Muslims do it, so it’s fine. . . .

/boggle


11 posted on 09/16/2013 3:33:48 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: markomalley

How is this arrangement inferior to ‘baby daddies’ having a dozen women and two dozen children dependent on taxpayers?

If he is feeding & supporting all these ‘wives’ and offspring - perhaps he could start a national movement for atheists and other liberals.

After all, marriage between one man and one woman is so passé.


12 posted on 09/16/2013 3:38:52 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: DainBramage

Wrong


13 posted on 09/16/2013 3:41:40 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: markomalley
If he hadn't married the mothers and the children were scattered all over the ghetto this would be considered normal and government funded.
14 posted on 09/16/2013 3:44:52 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Progov
Pretty soon there will be exemption for the number of wives each person has.

I believe the ultimate goal of all the perverts is to get rid of age restrictions so they can have unfettered access to children.

15 posted on 09/16/2013 3:54:47 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: sodpoodle

you can bet 4 of the wives are on the dole. They may be immoral but they’re not stupid.


16 posted on 09/16/2013 4:02:13 AM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: markomalley
reality TV

is like Latin, it killed the Romans and now killing US.

17 posted on 09/16/2013 4:03:57 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: markomalley

William James said it first and said it best:

Higamous hogamous, women are monogamous.

Hogamous higamous, men are polygamous.


18 posted on 09/16/2013 4:10:20 AM PDT by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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To: markomalley

Well, they got their gay marriage. Next stop, polygamous marriage. Final stop, pedophiliac marriage.


19 posted on 09/16/2013 4:18:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: markomalley
Brady Williams has five wives, 24 children but no organized religion.

"Everyone did what was right in his OWN eyes..."

20 posted on 09/16/2013 4:23:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Timber Rattler

“Sister Wives” & now this new show. I thought this was illegal in the US.


21 posted on 09/16/2013 4:24:57 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: markomalley
He said that transition was very difficult, but not as hard as leaving the fundamentalist church his five wives all grew up in.

"Raise up a child; in the way he should go..."


6 screwed up folks produce 24...

What can POSSIBLY go wrong?

22 posted on 09/16/2013 4:25:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: markomalley
...produce 24...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diYlHI8Ghkg

23 posted on 09/16/2013 4:28:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Timber Rattler
Gross violation of federal law.

Oh?

Which one(s)?

24 posted on 09/16/2013 4:29:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: markomalley
"There is nothing wrong with consenting adults living and loving how they choose."

Did GOD 'really' say...

25 posted on 09/16/2013 4:33:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DainBramage
Most early Bible characters had many wives, and young ones to boot.

True; but NONE of them were praised for the practice.

GOD only took ONE rib from Adam; NOT a half rack!

26 posted on 09/16/2013 4:34:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lazamataz

The first step was serialized marriage, when no fault divorce became the law of the land. It’s all been downhill from there.


27 posted on 09/16/2013 4:38:19 AM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: Progov
Won’t be long and the libs (demodummies) will start to push for this life style along with all the homo and deviant laws they pushed down America’s throat.

LONG??

We'ver been SUBSIDIZING deviant lifestyles for DECADES in this country!!


The PRODUCTS of sin and adultery and fornication are paid for by welfare of ALL types.

The unwanted 'products' are KILLED before they are born.

A few AFTER they're born and some have a few days, months and/or years on them before, they too, get killed in some manner.

"America" is GONE!

The husk just hasn't dried up and burnt: yet...

28 posted on 09/16/2013 4:40:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DemforBush
“We can't control who we fall in love with” - Gay marriage supporters.

“Or how many...” - Polygamy supporters...

“Or how young they are...” - Pederasty supporters...

“Every one is equal.” - The American left...

“Good luck with that..” - God...

29 posted on 09/16/2013 4:46:42 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: sodpoodle
After all, marriage between one man and one woman is so passé.



 
Decisions, decisions...
          

30 posted on 09/16/2013 4:57:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FES0844
“Sister Wives” & now this new show. I thought this was illegal in the US.

So is Organized Crime; but Americans LOVE programs about it!

31 posted on 09/16/2013 4:58:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lazamataz
Lazamataz; you just GOTTA comment in THIS thread! ;^)
32 posted on 09/16/2013 5:00:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

To be more accurate, the first recorded plural marriage was Lamech (Gen 5:9), which was noted as against God’s plan.

Later, the Patriarchs took multiple wives (Abraham), but notice that Moses returned to a single wife.


33 posted on 09/16/2013 5:03:13 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: svcw

I guess I’m wrong that Cain and Able married their sisters too, which would be considered deviant now, though God didn’t outlaw it till later.

My point is things weren’t always considered wrong in ancient times as they are now. So in my opinion it’s not so much a deviant sexual behavior as it is illegal and sinful.


34 posted on 09/16/2013 5:15:33 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Elsie

Adam should have Barbequed that rib.


35 posted on 09/16/2013 5:19:15 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: ejonesie22

LOL, I like that one.


36 posted on 09/16/2013 5:20:21 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: markomalley

-——The family no longer teaches the tenets of fundamental Mormonism-———

elsie’s fault


37 posted on 09/16/2013 5:20:52 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Timber Rattler
Gross violation of federal law.

I don't think so. If 10 women wish to live with one fellow as their husband and have children by him, that is actually their business, or their right. And if a church, or non-churches, wishes to recognize that as some sort of "marriage," that is their right. Polygamous Muslims, limited to 4 wives at a time Thank Allah, infest a town near you. Guaranteed.

In every city in this country this is occurring, with multiple women receiving lavish welfare benefits for themselves and numerous offspring resulting from liaisons and living arrangements of which you and I would not approve.

38 posted on 09/16/2013 5:30:02 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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To: Elsie
Edmunds Act

There was also this tidbit in the article...

The Utah Attorney General's office does not enforce the law against consenting adults unless there is another crime involved such as child abuse, domestic violence or fraud, said spokesman Paul Murphy.

39 posted on 09/16/2013 5:36:48 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: markomalley; All

The offshoot of “Mormon family values”


40 posted on 09/16/2013 5:48:44 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Kenny Bunk; Timber Rattler; All
I don't think so. If 10 women wish to live with one fellow as their husband and have children by him, that is actually their business, or their right.

Sorry, but we don't live in a jungle "outback"...We live in a society that -- for both better (on the lookout for your neighbor) and worse (hyperbureacracy) -- prides itself in establishing governmental safety nets.

Therefore, when "family" configuration/experimentations fail, guess who foots the bill? That's right: Uncle Same...That's right, you & me the taxpayer.

Therefore, government HAS a say on which family configurations are to be sanctioned -- and which ones lead to greater negative fallout upon society.

All you have to do is review the vast welfare support rec'd by the fLDS members in the twin cities of Colorado City, AZ and Hildale, UT...too see what I mean.

This cult's polygamous arrangements has led to vast welfare support.

And if a church, or non-churches, wishes to recognize that as some sort of "marriage," that is their right.

You flunked history, right? The very territory of Utah was denied statehood over polygamy.

B.H. Roberts, a Mormon leader, was then elected to Congress as one of the first Utah congressmen in 1898. And guess what? Roberts was denied a seat in Congress because he took a third wife around 1893 and was practicing polygamy.

Hard to believe that our 1898 Congress was more upright about defending traditional marriage than you are!!!

And, btw, it wasn't like Congress didn't have grassroots support on blocking Roberts from taking office.

Grassroots America took up 28 banners and collected 7 million signatures...telling Congress NOT to seat Roberts. That 7 million signatures in pre-mass media America!

Those 7 million Americans -- unlike you -- represented the true original spirit of Republicanism. In 1856, the fledgling Republican party set their sights on two social issues' goals: To take on what they called "the twin relics of barbarism" (slavery & polygamy).

Polygamous Muslims, limited to 4 wives at a time Thank Allah, infest a town near you. Guaranteed.

Yes. And this is precisely the barbarism the GoP took on in 1856...yet we have the likes of you who call yourself a conservative?

In every city in this country this is occurring, with multiple women receiving lavish welfare benefits for themselves and numerous offspring resulting from liaisons and living arrangements of which you and I would not approve.

So what? Why should we continually cater to the lowest immoral common denominator?

41 posted on 09/16/2013 6:02:51 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: SpirituTuo
To be even more accurate, polygamy was a recognized marriage form among OT Jews. It was fairly common among Jews until about 700 or 800 AD in the West. It survives today among Jews still living in places like Yemen, and oddly enough in Israel, where it is somewhat discouraged.

Ask a Rabbi. Accurately put: "Still legal under Jewish Law, but the practice is heartily discouraged."

42 posted on 09/16/2013 6:04:18 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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To: Colofornian
Please keep an even strain on your springline.

The fact that something is accurately documented does not express support. Of course, polygamy is to be actively discouraged by legal means. However, right now, it is not.

We are in a battle which is not won.

Why should we continually cater to the lowest immoral common denominator?

Why indeed? However, be advised that while you are sermonizing, not to mention raining fire and brimstone down on those who largely agree with you, the lowest immoral common denominator is out-voting us.

43 posted on 09/16/2013 6:11:45 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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To: Timber Rattler
Why is this guy not going to jail?

Because if you took that argument to it's logical conclusion you would have to disband the NBA.

Hey, on second thought......

44 posted on 09/16/2013 6:32:28 AM PDT by Poison Pill (Take your silver lining and SHOVE IT!)
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45 posted on 09/16/2013 6:46:19 AM PDT by narses
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To: DainBramage
"I’m not sure it should be labeled deviant. Most early Bible characters had many wives, and young ones to boot."

The polygamous husband on "Sister Wives" used that exact argument---"All the 'cool' guys in the Old Testament were plygs." It holds no water, regardless of who attempts it.

Early Bible figures did all kinds of things that were not a model of good behavior. They were human beings and no less prone to sin than any of us. God's original ideal for marriage was one woman, created for and joined to one man.

46 posted on 09/16/2013 6:53:59 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)
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To: Progov
Won’t be long and the libs (demodummies) will start to push for this life style along with all the homo and deviant laws they pushed down America’s throat. Pretty soon there will be exemption for the number of wives each person has. (Note I said “person” since the gay’s can call males or females wives.)

A lesbian friend of mine asked what I had a against gay marriage. I told her that I would support it when she came out in favor of plural marriages. I also mentioned that the guy across the street was very fond of his Doberman pincher and was interested in forming a family with her as well. Or how about that guy at the other end of the block that was very fond of his sister, should they be allowed to marry as well? How about her gardener. he is very fond of that John Deere riding lawn mower, is he allowed to marry that as well?

I told her we all lines we won't cross. I just draw mine ion a different location than she does.

47 posted on 09/16/2013 7:20:38 AM PDT by verga (Liberals, homeschoolers and protestants, not all that different if you look closely enough)
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To: Elsie
Brady Williams has five wives, 24 children but no organized religion.

"Everyone did what was right in his OWN eyes..."

You do realize that this is the very definition of Protestantism.

48 posted on 09/16/2013 7:23:16 AM PDT by verga (Liberals, homeschoolers and protestants, not all that different if you look closely enough)
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To: verga

He is following his own conscience, like the Pope said he should.


49 posted on 09/16/2013 7:24:26 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Poison Pill
.....disband the NBA.

Raciss ... but accurate.

50 posted on 09/16/2013 7:27:19 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( "Obama, The Movie" Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica! ")
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