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Insurers limiting doctors, hospitals in health insurance market
LA Times ^ | Ssept 14, 2013 | Chad Terhune

Posted on 09/15/2013 7:53:03 AM PDT by Innovative

The doctor can't see you now.

Consumers may hear that a lot more often after getting health insurance under President Obama's Affordable Care Act.

To hold down premiums, major insurers in California have sharply limited the number of doctors and hospitals available to patients in the state's new health insurance market opening Oct. 1.

New data reveal the extent of those cuts in California, a crucial test bed for the federal healthcare law.

These diminished medical networks are fueling growing concerns that many patients will still struggle to get care despite the nation's biggest healthcare expansion in half a century.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: defund; healthcare; medicine; obamacare; socializedmedicine
Welcome to Obamacare and socialized medicine -- this is just the beginning.
1 posted on 09/15/2013 7:53:03 AM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

Single page view of the article:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-insure-doctor-networks-20130915,0,6433104,full.story

The story also has specifics — do read it.


2 posted on 09/15/2013 7:55:13 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Print version even better.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-insure-doctor-networks-20130915,0,3866885,print.story


3 posted on 09/15/2013 7:57:09 AM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: Innovative

Sounds just like the lottery system in Canada where having a doctor often times means you have to wait until someone else dies


4 posted on 09/15/2013 8:00:02 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Innovative

It dawns on me also that not only will one not be able to get care but you still run the risk of being PENALIZED for not having the right kind of insurance or worse PENALIZED for having insurance that is too good


5 posted on 09/15/2013 8:01:07 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Innovative

Obamacide offers no health insurance. However, it does offer way to steal.

http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/obamacare-a-get-rich-quick-scheme-for-washington-insiders/


6 posted on 09/15/2013 8:03:36 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Innovative
Related, from early last week:

Wellmont closing Lee Regional Medical Center (Obamacare in SWVA)

7 posted on 09/15/2013 8:07:26 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Innovative
These diminished medical networks are fueling growing concerns that many patients will still struggle to get care despite the nation's biggest healthcare expansion in half a century.

Obamacare didn't expand healthcare, it expanded healthcare coverage. It did precisely nothing to increase the availability of medical care, it only increased the number of people who'd have someone else pay for it.

In other words, it increased demand without doing anything to increase supply.

Only an idiot wouldn't have expected price increases and shortages.

8 posted on 09/15/2013 8:11:59 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Innovative

My insurance, once “good,” is being accepted by less doctors now. It used to be a given you could see anyone- not anymore!


9 posted on 09/15/2013 8:21:18 AM PDT by conservative cat
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To: jdege
...it increased demand without doing anything to increase supply.
Only an idiot wouldn't have expected price increases and shortages.

You've got it right, jdege, but I believe this is worth adding: this legislation was designed to increase demand and shrink supply. The object of the scheme is twofold:

1.) Medical care becomes an increasingly scarce commodity.
2.) The feral government takes control of the distribution of this increasingly scarce commodity, which is to say: perverts it into a reward that can be granted or withheld at state preference.

Ultimately, we've let representatives of the Democratic [sic] party grow the feral government by a prodigious quantity and simultaneously turn medical care into a weapon to be used against us patriots.

10 posted on 09/15/2013 8:30:33 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Innovative

So...tell me again how limiting the number of doctors and hospitals in the pool will keep down costs and assure availability of services to those presently without?

Sheesh, these dumbass socialists don’t have a clue.

ACA is all about control. It has NOTHING to do with healthcare.


11 posted on 09/15/2013 8:39:39 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Innovative

Noticing the “art” on the concrete structure in the right-hand area of the photo in the *L. A. Times* article ...

There might be a wee bit more money to take care of a person, if the money were not wasted on the piece of junk.


12 posted on 09/15/2013 8:53:30 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: PubliusMM; upchuck

“ACA is all about control. It has NOTHING to do with healthcare.”

BINGO!

See also article posted by upchuck :

Government Seeking Inclusion of ‘Social and Behavioral’ Data in Health Records [more spying]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3066696/posts


13 posted on 09/15/2013 8:55:47 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

ObamaCare basics

In the name of managing health care costs, ObamaCare dramatically increases administrative costs.

Otherwise, there are REDUCTIONS of:

- access
- care
- choice of your physician
- choice of your specialist
- service

... though you are told you have “coverage,” which is akin to the automobile “coverage” that is without substance.

And finally, there is the MASSIVE GOVERNMENT INTRUSION into the life of every living human being (and probably some dead ones, too), as the government now defines EVERYBODY to be a welfare recipient, who is subject (repeat *that) to inspections:

- in and of their lives
- in and of their persons
- in and of their property

Thus, your “social security” is complete and without quality.

All, except for those who have political power sufficient to evade their being forced into such servitude to The Great Lie.


14 posted on 09/15/2013 9:14:53 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Innovative

How long before they start talking about getting the SWAT teams to physically force doctors into giving top quality care to everyone regardless of whether or not they can afford it?


15 posted on 09/15/2013 9:19:34 AM PDT by freedom462
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To: Innovative
major insurers in California have sharply limited the number of doctors and hospitals available to patients

But don't worry, every Planned Parenthood death clinic will be a preferred provider.

16 posted on 09/15/2013 11:05:34 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: First_Salute

If insurers limit the physician supply in the exchanges, resulting in access problems and rationing, patients will simply stop signing up for the exchanges in the first place and simply pay the penalty/tax or forfeit any tax refund.
Only the very sick will sign up for anything because it will be a very bad deal for routine care and even chronic care. It will be difficult to force the healthy and those with less serious chronic conditions to pay a lot for poor access and poor/rationed care.


17 posted on 09/15/2013 11:35:46 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: grumpygresh

Regarding bad deals: That “Silver” plan the article touts has a 45 dollar co-pay for a doctor visit.


18 posted on 09/15/2013 12:39:08 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Standing Wolf
Ultimately, we've let representatives of the Democratic [sic] party grow the feral government by a prodigious quantity and simultaneously turn medical care into a weapon to be used against us patriots.

I'd worry about it more if mainstream medicine hadn't been so captured by agricultural and pharmaceutical interests that the treatment and advice it offers for chronic disease is actually worse than useless.

Don't get me wrong - if I break a leg I want a modern hospital. But for obesity, hypertension, diabetes, metabolic syndrome? Any and all of the chronic "diseases of civilization" that plague us - you'd be better off ignoring the doctors entirely.

19 posted on 09/15/2013 12:57:54 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Innovative

“These diminished medical networks are fueling growing concerns that many patients will still struggle to get care despite the nation’s biggest healthcare expansion in half a century.”
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This is an extreme example of careless writing, possibly even exceeding the worst of my own. The author should take up something he is qualified for after demonstrating such incompetence. THERE IS NO “healthcare” expansion, there is only an expansion of GOVERNMENT INTEFERENCE in healthcare. Healthcare cannot be expanded simply by writing a law, even a good one, let alone something as absurd and incomprehensible as the UNaffordable DON’T CARE A DAMN act.


20 posted on 09/15/2013 1:19:41 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Innovative

Notice how the MSM blames the “insurers” instead of ObamaCare


21 posted on 09/15/2013 1:20:21 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: jdege
Obamacare didn't expand healthcare, it expanded healthcare coverage.

Actually it didn't even do that. It cut healthcare coverage by taxing away plans that were "too good" or "not enough".

22 posted on 09/15/2013 1:23:34 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: Innovative

I see this as a great opportunity for the entrepreneurs among us. Sure, I’ll have to plop down an extra $900 or so in taxes, but someone will still offer the insurance I WANT and am willing to PAY FOR, and others will continue to accept that insurance or cash in exchange for services.

This is the American way. Someone closes a door, so we find another door. Or go through the window. Or break down a wall. We will get through this, and it just might force us into a position where we actually fix the system.

Note I did not say 0bamacare will fix the system. However, it might bring about the circumstances that force the productive among us to fix the system in spite of 0bamacare.


23 posted on 09/15/2013 1:38:11 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (I guess I'll have to give up teaching and get a real job in the Spring.)
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To: conservative cat

I laugh when people talk about how we had such a health care crisis that Obamacare was an attempt to deal with it. Any problems we had were because of prior government meddling. I was born in 1944 and when I was a boy the doctor came to our house to see me when I was sick and my parents had no problem paying the bill even though we were far from well to do. When I reached adulthood I could drive to the same doctor’s office, sign in, sit down and see the doctor within an hour, no appointment necessary. A person with no insurance who had to go to the hospital would have a more affordable bill than the copay for the same visit would be now even for those who have good insurance. The real problem with medical care is and has been govenment meddling and it is all done to force eventual adoption of “single payer” medicine. Once that is accomplished you will be better off in most instances to consult a shaman or “root doctor” than to go the emergency room. Once the government achieves that and the other major goal which is total control over the food supply then we will all be slaves.


24 posted on 09/15/2013 1:42:00 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: ArmstedFragg

You can go to a private, self-pay doctor and pay around $50-100 for a routine office visit as an existing patient (depends on the time spent, practice and complexity). Lower rates are possible because the doctor’s office does not have to waste staff time submitting claims. More often than not, the private doctor will have non-electronic records, and you won’t be asked how many guns you have. Check aapsonline.org if you’re interested.
There is a lot waste in the administration these large plans.


25 posted on 09/15/2013 1:42:12 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Excellence
Same thing is happening in northern New Hampshire.

Anthem, the ONLY provider for NH recently cut the in network hospitals able to provide OB-GYN to zero in northern NH.

If you're going to have a baby here, you'll now travel a hundred miles or more.

The pathetic thing is a large number of the hospital staff including doctors in the area are left wing extremists, backing zero and zerocare to the hilt.

26 posted on 09/15/2013 2:23:45 PM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Stegall Tx

“I see this as a great opportunity for the entrepreneurs among us.”

Unfortunately what you are missing is that the Obamacare law doesn’t allow deviation from the way they want to provide insurance and medical care.


27 posted on 09/15/2013 2:35:59 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Unlike Hillarycare from 1993, there is no penalty for a doctor seeing patients without going through the government program. Insurers are already offering plans that do not meet the 0bamacare guidelines and will continue to do so.

If nothing else, there will be a million little clinics over the border in Mexico and Canada to see Americans who can afford to travel for their choice in healthcare.

I say it again, this is a huge opportunity.


28 posted on 09/15/2013 3:03:15 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (I guess I'll have to give up teaching and get a real job in the Spring.)
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To: jdege
Don't get me wrong - if I break a leg I want a modern hospital. But for obesity, hypertension, diabetes, metabolic syndrome? Any and all of the chronic "diseases of civilization" that plague us - you'd be better off ignoring the doctors entirely.

I concur, jdege. The allopaths and homeopaths lost, and the surgeons won feral government recognition. There was room for all, but the surgeons helped themselves to the coercive power of government.

29 posted on 09/15/2013 3:10:55 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Innovative

Defund this monster!! Kill it before it kills us!!

Go, Ted, GO!!


30 posted on 09/16/2013 12:01:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Defund this monster!! Kill it before it kills us!!”

You can say that again, in all seriousness.

“Go, Ted, GO!!”

Sen. Ted Cruz: “Obamacare is going to … change what we see in movies”

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2013/09/sen-ted-cruz-obamacare-is-going-to-change-what-we-see-in-movies/

Sen. Ted Cruz is one of the big opponents of the Affordable Care Act.

Thursday night on Fox News, the Texas Senator called the fight to defund Obamacare “the most important domestic fight we have had in years”, while urging people to go on the national website DontFundIt.com and sign the national petition.

“If the American People stand together, we can defund Obamacare”, Cruz said to Sean Hannity on Fox news.


31 posted on 09/16/2013 4:44:50 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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