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To: Gaffer

You miss the point then. Selling advanced air defense weapons to a country run by crazy religous zealots who want to build a nuclear weapon and use it on Israel is like thinking selling whiskey to kids driving cars is smart. Your logic is that of the Liberal who cannot appreciate that sometimes America’s enemies really are wrong. Putin is against freedom in Russia and for arming America’s enemies abroad. Wake up.


13 posted on 09/11/2013 4:29:57 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Obama is selling weapons to Saudi Arabia and they are no better than the Iranians. There are no heroes here. I don’t know if that’s the point you are trying to make.


14 posted on 09/11/2013 4:41:20 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: elhombrelibre
No you miss the point. You forget our forays into these countries decades ago. Remember the CIA and all those Stinger Missiles they gave the Mujaheddin to shoot down Russian Helicopters.

You forget all the arms WE supplied Sadam, much of that came back to haunt us in the form of 105mm/155mm projectiles being used for IEDs

Or more recently where in Libya where after-Benghazi reports suggest the reason the CIA had such a large presence there was to redirect some of the weapons they'd supplied the rebels to Syria (hence the ambassador's presence there).

Your logic it seems is that it is okay to supply dangerous weapons to SOME Muslims, but it isn't okay just now because Putin is offering more of a defensive weapons system (S-300) to Syria. Finally, if you think that the rebels trying to overthrow the current Syrian government are any better than Iran, then you are misguided because if they manage to overthrow it, then all those chemicals and weapons system really WILL be directed at Israel.

16 posted on 09/11/2013 4:42:53 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: elhombrelibre

When did Iran threaten to use a nuclear weapon on Israel? In fact when did Iran threaten to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? I know which speeches you are thinking of by ahmedinejad, but it is easy to research that our media and the globe edited and mistranslated his speeches for drama and sensationalism.
His first time he was quoted as saying this, he in fact said Zionism needs to be eliminated. (Zionism does not mean Israel as a nation, nor does it mean Jews) The media took this and ran with it as he threatens to wipe Israel off the map. He followed up his Zionism needs to be eliminated sentence with, “the best way to do this is democratically”.
I am not saying Iranian government are good, they are far from it. Our best ally Saudi Arabia, however are Nazis in comparison. At the very least Iran has churches and Christians and synagogues and Jewish people living there and represented in government. In Saudi Arabia you cant even vacation there if you are Christian, you cant own two bibles if you work there, and there are no churches and is illegal to build churches.
If we want to delve next into the fanatics backed by both regimes you only need to look at Hezbollah (backed by Iran) and Al Qaeda(backed by sunni extremists).

Here is a link of hezbollah’s leader talking against how al Qaeda jihadists target Shiite pilgrims, and bomb churches and target Christians for worshipping Christianity. Goes on to call their school of thought to be a new religion and a fabrication.
Compare this to Al Qaeda and the muslim brotherhood and their backers stance on Christians in the middle east. Look at Iraq, Egypt and Syria at how sunni groups target Christians and bomb them and kill them.

The sad thing about all this, is a terrorist like Hezbollah’s leader is quicker to defend middle eastern Christians against al Qaeda than our own president.

My whole point here was to show who our allies are and who Russia’s allies are. We sell advanced weapons to far more intolerant people than Russia does, and we are empowering the people who want to cleanse the region of a Christian presence making us just as guilty as al Qaeda.


28 posted on 09/11/2013 7:21:01 AM PDT by hannibaal
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To: elhombrelibre

You have to remember a little farther back. Russia and Iran have been pretty well tied together at least since WW II. It was then that we (US) helped modernize the N/S railroad thru Iran to supply Russia thru the back door-—Aluminum, Studebaker trucks, etc. To this day that rail line is a major supply route for central Russia. The notion that the two aren’t going to get along well enough to keep the road open is a non-starter. As long as Iran can afford to pay, Putin will sell them weapons, typewriters, or whatever they need.


45 posted on 09/11/2013 12:49:44 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: elhombrelibre; Gaffer
But it's ok for the U.S. to sell off future generations while borrowing trillions from Communist China while shipping them hundreds of thousands of American jobs? All while the Red Chinese arm up? All this while leaving our borders wide open as millions entered willy nilly from God knows where during 10 years of compassionate wars?

If these are not national security issue, nothing is.

57 posted on 09/11/2013 9:48:23 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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