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1 posted on 09/08/2013 6:34:43 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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That’s a shame. All they had to do is wait until he took a nap.


2 posted on 09/08/2013 6:38:34 AM PDT by meatloaf
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They didn’t need to shoot him. At his age you just wait till the metamusal kicks in and he has to run to the crapper.

The “need to shoot” mentality has really taken hold.


3 posted on 09/08/2013 6:38:57 AM PDT by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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Were there any barking dogs in the area? Hopefully their owners had a chance to quickly bring them in the house and quiet them down.


4 posted on 09/08/2013 6:41:00 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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SWAT team pumped gas in the room from outside the bedroom window, hoping that Isadore would surrender peacefully. However, Isadore fired more shots at a SWAT entry team, who threw a distraction device into the room after breaching the door.

Whatever was so urgent that he had to surrender on site if there were no more hostages holed up in the room ? At least take 30 minutes to interview the two known victims to find out what is really going on.


9 posted on 09/08/2013 6:58:12 AM PDT by erlayman
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I often wonder how the day of the week, hour of the day, proximity to shift change, and overtime pay factor in to considerations of when LE decides to forcibly end a standoff. How long had this event gone on before they gave up on negotiations and decided to use gas? Knowing he had a firearm, why did they get so close to the bedroom after evacuating the other two occupants? Was the 107 y/o experiencing dementia, or just confused & angry? This one doesn't sound right. No matter, here comes the whitewash & cover-up.
12 posted on 09/08/2013 6:59:11 AM PDT by twister881
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The militarization of police only serves to reinforce the fact that citizens need to be prepared and well armed. Body armor and maybe a gas mask are on my list. I don’t know exactly what the actual cause of this event was, but we’re long past the day when the police were given the benefit of the doubt. And when it comes to Federalized police actions, I think everyone that’s paying attention is very suspect when it comes to SWAT raids.
If the domestic police has to send in a SWAT to defeat a 107 year old man with a handgun, the police are pretty pathetic.


15 posted on 09/08/2013 7:11:30 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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Idiots, but they know that. For the rest of their lives, people will, at a minimum, laugh at them for killing a one hundred and seven year old man. Wise people will, upon recognizing them, huddle their children together and whisk them away. Their names should be published and remembered.


16 posted on 09/08/2013 7:15:30 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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Why couldn’t the police handle it? Are they all traffic cops?


23 posted on 09/08/2013 7:29:40 AM PDT by huldah1776
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Oh really...come on, this has to be satire. If it is true, the old man pointing a gun at people is certainly wrong.

However, the people were evacuated from the house. Just sit back and wait. The old man would have to come out pretty quickly, fall asleep, go to the crapper or shoot himself. How stupid.

A trophy needs to be mailed to the SWAT team's office with an inscription that says something like, "World Record Old Fart Takedown."

24 posted on 09/08/2013 7:32:07 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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The cops shoulda asked “Isadore open?” before busting in


29 posted on 09/08/2013 7:40:55 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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When we first moved to Maine, there was an article in the paper about a guy out in the boonies somewhere who was shooting his gun off (he lived alone.)

Anyway, some neighbors off in the distance heard the shots and called the sheriff, who went out to investigate. He knew the guy so he knocked on the door and asked what was going on.

Turned out that he had lost his job that day, got all drunked up and was shooting his gun into the air to vent.

Sheriff decided to just let him sleep it off, took his gun away and went back the next morning when the guy sheepishly apologized and got his gun back.

The neighbors were cool with it...:-)

30 posted on 09/08/2013 7:44:27 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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He released the hostages, no threat to anyone at that point. But, they still had to kill him. Effin cowards, one and all.


32 posted on 09/08/2013 7:51:59 AM PDT by Have Ruck - Will Travel (It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion...)
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How did the gas the inserted not take him out? Was he wearing an oxygen mask?

I do realize that you can’t just shoot through your door at people who say they are police, without expecting a response. But it sounds like it was his own room, so maybe they should have asked what the two “youngsters” were doing that prompted the old man to pull a gun on them.

Now we will never know.

This is probably an easy way to get rid of an old parent who is a bit senile. Just buy them a handgun, hand it to them, get them riled up by telling them some bad people are coming to get them, and then call the police.

Then the two “youngsters” can get away with murder and probably collect the insurance.


37 posted on 09/08/2013 8:14:00 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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He was starting to turn his life around. He was planning to be a rap star.


41 posted on 09/08/2013 8:55:46 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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