Skip to comments.Britain sent poison gas chemicals to Assad: Proof UK delivered Sarin to Syrian regime for years
Posted on 09/08/2013 1:37:34 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
British companies sold chemicals to Syria that could have been used to produce the deadly nerve agent that killed 1,400 people, The Mail on Sunday can reveal today.
Between July 2004 and May 2010 the Government issued five export licences to two companies, allowing them to sell Syria sodium fluoride, which is used to make sarin.
The Government last night admitted for the first time that the chemical was delivered to Syria a clear breach of international protocol on the trade of dangerous substances that has been condemned as grossly irresponsible.
The sales were made at a time when President Bashar Assad was strongly suspected to be stockpiling the chemical weapons that have caused an international crisis.
The UK firms delivered sodium fluoride to a Syrian cosmetics company for what they claim were legitimate purposes. But intelligence experts believe President Assads regime uses such companies to divert chemicals into its weapons programme.
Thomas Docherty MP, a member of the Commons Arms Export Controls Committee, said: These are very disturbing revelations uncovered by The Mail on Sunday regarding the provision of sodium fluoride to Syria. At no time should we have allowed President Assads regime to get its hands on this substance.....
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“Could have been used...”
That Syria was stuffed to the brim with nerve agents, sold by the west, was what Pollard went to jail for blowing the whistle on.
They need the money.
maybe the syrians wanted to make toothpaste and prevent cavities.
Can we identify any other counties that have done the same thing?
And why do I get the feeling we may not get answers to these questions anytime soon?
The president of Syria is a dentist.
So what if they make toothpaste?
He’s an ophthalmologist (an M.D., a specialist in medical and surgical eye problems) actually.
He is making paste out of his people...
The West (tricked once again by our own concepts) called him the “Great Reformer”. He even tried to ban smoking in public places, to improve the health of his country - to no avail, so then he slaughtered them. Poor Bashir, he never wanted the job and now he is a mass murderer trying to prevent him and his clan from being murdered as well. Oh well, just another day in the Arab/Muslim world...ho hum.
Google him. He really is an eye doctor. I didn’t say that was good or bad, merely stated a fact.
We put fluoride in the water in the US don’t we?
I take it this is supposed to be some kind of smoking gun.
This would not stand up in court as proof Assad did it.
No probs. All I am saying is that he tried to avoid living in Syria and being a part of his father’s regime. Once Pappa (Haffez) died, the old guard Junta demanded that he return. Like a good Mafia Don son, he did and look where he is now.
Due to his Western education and exposure, fools like Obama and Clinton (Hilliary) hailed him as the Great Reformer. Look at him now.
You could say that about Mr. Obama, if you think about it.
So who is the worst offender, the supplier, or the user.
Like drugs who is the worst, the dealer, or the user.
On Pollard, from Wiki—
In 1979, after leaving graduate school, Pollard began applying for intelligence service jobs, first at the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and then the US Navy. Pollard was turned down for the CIA job after taking a polygraph test in which he admitted to prolific illegal drug usage between 1974 and 1978. He fared better with the Navy and on 19 September 1979 he was hired by the Navy Field Operational Intelligence Office (NFOIO), an office of the Naval Intelligence Command (NIC), as an intelligence specialist working on Soviet issues at the Navy Ocean Surveillance Information Center (NOSIC), a department of NFOIO. A background check was required to receive the necessary security clearances, but no polygraph test. In addition to a ‘Top Secret’ clearance, a more stringent ‘Sensitive Compartmented Information’ (SCI) clearance was required. The Navy asked for but was denied information from the CIA regarding Pollard, including the results of their pre-employment polygraph test showing Pollard’s excessive drug use. Pollard was given temporary non-SCI security clearances pending completion of his background check, which was normal for new hires at the time and assigned to temporary duty at another NIC Department, the Naval Intelligence Support Center (NISC) Surface Ships Division, where he could be employed in tasks not requiring SCI clearance. NOSIC’s current operations center and the NISC were co-located in Suitland, Maryland (inside the Washington D.C. “Beltway”, the forerunner to today’s National Maritime Intelligence-Integration Office.
Within two months after Pollard was hired, the technical director of NOSIC, Richard Haver, requested that he be terminated. This came after a conversation with the new hire in which Pollard offered to start a back-channel operation with the South African intelligence service and lied about his father’s involvement with the CIA. Instead of terminating Pollard, Haver’s boss reassigned him to a navy human intelligence (HUMINT) operation, Task Force 168 (TF-168), an office within Naval Intelligence Command (NIC), the headquarters for Navy intelligence operations (located in a separate building, but still within the Suitland Federal Center complex.) This was apparently because Pollard had a friend from graduate school in the South African intelligence service. In the vetting process for this position, Pollard, it was later discovered, lied repeatedly: he denied illegal drug use, claimed his father had been a CIA operative, misrepresented his language abilities and his educational achievements, and claimed to have applied for a commission as officer in the Naval Reserve. A month later Pollard received his SCI clearances and was transferred from NISC to TF-168.
While transferring to his new job at TF-168, Pollard again initiated a meeting with someone far up the chain of command, this time with Admiral Sumner Shapiro, Commander, Naval Intelligence Command (CNIC) about an idea he had for TF-168 and South Africa. (The TF-168 group had passed on his ideas). After the meeting, Shapiro immediately ordered that Pollard’s security clearances be revoked and that he be reassigned to a non-sensitive position. According to The Washington Post, Shapiro dismissed Pollard as a “kook”, saying later, “I wish the hell I’d fired him.”
Because of the job transfer, Shapiro’s order to remove Pollard’s security clearances slipped through the cracks. However, Shapiro’s office followed up with a request to TF-168 that Pollard’s trustworthiness be investigated by the CIA. The CIA found Pollard to be a risk and recommended that he not be used in any intelligence collection operation. A subsequent polygraph test was inconclusive, although it did prompt Pollard to admit to making false statements to his superiors, prior drug use, and having unauthorized contacts with representatives of foreign governments. The special agent administering the test felt that Pollard, who at times “began shouting and shaking and making gagging sounds as if he were going to vomit”, was feigning illness to invalidate the test, and recommended that he not be granted access to highly classified information. Pollard was also required to be evaluated by a psychiatrist.
Pollard’s clearance was reduced to Secret. Pollard subsequently filed a grievance and threatened lawsuits to recover his SCI clearance, and subsequently began receiving excellent performance reviews. In 1982, after the psychiatrist concluded Pollard had no mental illness, Pollard’s clearance was upgraded to SCI once again. In October 1984, after some reorganization of the navy’s intelligence departments, Pollard applied for and was accepted into a position as an analyst for the Naval Intelligence Command.
Surveillance video frame of Pollard in the act of stealing classified documents
Shortly after Pollard began working at NIC/TF-168, he met Aviem Sella, an Israeli Air Force combat veteran who was at the time a graduate student at New York University, on leave from his position as a colonel in order to gain a master’s degree in computer science. Pollard told Sella that he worked for U.S. naval intelligence, told him of specific incidents where U.S. intelligence was withholding information from Israel, and offered himself as a spy. Though Sella had wondered whether Pollard was part of an FBI sting operation to recruit an Israeli, he ended up believing him. Sella then phoned his air force intelligence commander in Tel Aviv for further instructions, and the call was switched to the air force chief of staff. Sella was ordered to develop a contact with Pollard.
Within a few days, in June 1984, Pollard started passing classified information to Sella and received, in exchange, $10,000 cash and a very expensive diamond and sapphire ring, which Pollard later used to propose marriage to his girlfriend Anne. He also agreed to receive $1,500 per month for further espionage.
Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) investigator Ronald Olive has alleged that Pollard passed classified information to South Africa, and attempted, through a third party, to sell classified information to Pakistan on multiple occasions. Pollard also stole classified documents related to China on behalf of his wife, who used the information to advance her personal business interests and kept them around the house, where they were discovered by investigating authorities when Pollard’s espionage activity came to light.
During Pollard’s trial, the government’s memorandum in aid of sentencing challenges “defendant’s claim that he was motivated by altruism rather than greed”, asserting that Pollard had “disclosed classified information in anticipation of financial gain” in other instances:
The government’s investigation has revealed that defendant provided to certain of his acquaintances U.S. classified documents which defendant obtained through U.S. Navy sources. The classified documents which defendant disclosed to two such acquaintances, both of whom are professional investment advisers, contained classified economic and political analyses which defendant believed would help his acquaintances render investment advice to their clients... Defendant acknowledged that, although he was not paid for his unauthorized disclosures of classified information to the above-mentioned acquaintances, he hoped to be rewarded ultimately through business opportunities that these individuals could arrange for defendant when he eventually left his position with the U.S. Navy. In fact, defendant was involved in an ongoing business venture with two of these acquaintances at the time he provided the classified information to them...
During the course of the Pollard trial, Australian authorities reported the disclosure of classified American documents by Pollard to one of their own agents, a Royal Australian Navy officer who had been engaged in a personnel-exchange naval liaison program between the U.S. and Australia. The Australian officer, alarmed by Pollard’s repeated disclosure to him of data caveated No Foreign Access Allowed, reported the indiscretions to his chain of command, which in turn recalled him from his position in the U.S., fearing that the disclosures might be part of a “CIA ruse”. Confronted with this accusation after entering his plea, Pollard only admitted to passing a single classified document to the Australian; later, he changed his story, and claimed that his superiors ordered him to share information with the Australians.
The full extent of the information he gave to Israel has still not been officially revealed. Press reports cited a secret 46-page memorandum, which Pollard and his attorneys were allowed to view. They were provided to the judge by Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, who described Pollard’s spying as including, among other things, obtaining and copying the latest version of Radio-Signal Notations (RASIN), a 10-volume manual comprehensively detailing America’s global electronic surveillance network.
Actually, his older brother was in line to take over, but died in a car accident about 5 or 6 yrs before Haffez died. Bashir was groomed by his father for the job. He learned everything dad taught him.
Oh, the good and reliable wikipedia.
Does it also detail the record of Hansen which has been attributed to Pollard?
They should dig Cap Weinberger up and waterboard his sorry ass.
He very probably killed his brother, and is a pathological sadist.
He does, however, have principles which makes him more of an ally than Obama and his friends Ahmadinajad, AQ and the Muslim Brotherhood. And Christians are not on his list of hate-objects.
Obama is worse because he duped the entire planet...
The Iranian regime & hezbollah are his friends, not to mention the N. Koreans
Kind of strange that a nerdy Opthamologist, educated in the West and seemingly mild mannered would turn out to be what he is. I think Mustafa Tlas and the Old Guard pushed him to this point. I also think he knows that if he does not kill, he will be killed.
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
“educated in the West “
Look at his wife. I think she’s even more despicable for staying at his side. She has the money & means to have gone anywhere in the world to get away from him.
It has more uses than just making sarin.
A colorless crystalline salt, NaF, used in fluoridation of water, in treatment of tooth decay, and as an insecticide and a disinfectant.
“Sending” such chemicals to Syria DOES NOT MEAN the Syrians actually used said chemicals to produce poison gas nor does it mean the actually RELEASED such gas on their people.
I continue to believe that the Syrian gubmint did NOT use the poison and until that has been PROVEN to be contradictory, I will continue “believing”.
Show me the PROOF.
Simple does it, huh?
Assads allegiance was to Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein’s main enemy was Iran.
Now, Assad had a control officer, owned by the outside. That control was a Saddam adviser, I forget his name. It’s here, somewhere. But he sold his services to whoever paid best.
For many years, he was actually run by the CIA,, so that Assad was a US asset. But alas, someone came along and paid better. And Assad changed “owner”.
His heart, though, is still with Saddam. Rock solid bet.
Lol. The “ophtalmologist” is a ruse. He’s no more an ophtalmologist than I’m a dolphin. Even his glasses are fake. Used to be, anyway.
The ME is a complicated place
I think the evidence coming out is proving he did it.
The question seems to be: Does it make any difference who did it? Most people don’t seem to care - they just want to stay out of it.
I know why she’s doing it. It doesn’t make her any less despicable.
The truth is, is once you understand the Arab Muslim mentality, and I mean, really understand it, it is quite simple. As a Westerner I never wanted to believe this dictum because it goes completely against my education and values but...it is true:
The Arabs respect and abide by FORCE. If you're strong and show toughness, you are respected and feared.
Right now, Obama and the West are seen as wet tissue paper.
If you are weak, they throw a shoe at your face and sodomize you...I know this sounds too simplistic but look all around you.
This is what they did to Libya's strong man Khaddafy once he was caught. They shot him and sodomized him because he was, at that point an Arab coward trying to save his life and for that he was deeply resented. This is what they did to the late American Ambassador Stevens as well. It is like the final insult.
THIS is the mentality. Once you accept this basic premise, everything falls into place and you can then begin combating it because you know how they think and behave - no surprises for this cowboy...
We thought they were just making toothpaste. We want to do everything we can to fight tooth decay.
The relationships within the ME are a little more complicated then just strength & force, but I agree that it’s a big part of it.
I’m afraid not. It came from the founder of gamla.org.il, and used to be tucked away in the bowels of the site. The founder was a colonel or something in one of the intel groups. either mossad or aman. I probably have the whole site archived around here, but it will take some time to dig out since all that really old stuff is packed externally and not any cloud nonsense either.
Gamla.org.il is now inactive, though there are some hebrew-language remnants.
Anyway, ask Mesta. She knows.
The Closed Circle describes this in detail, saying that a family quarrel between father and son (the womenfolk are “invisible”) can take the shape of the old man wringing out his genitals and dryhumping the upstart.
Not my problem.
He wasn’t grinding on them until we fomented unrest and armed the so called rebels.
Well, he went to school in England.
An opthamologist can probably do just as good work as a top denti-specialist in England.
There is every reason to think that when the British ruled Mandate Palestine, controlled Egypt and huge Arab lands, (1917-1948) the likes of T.E. Lawrence and a host of British upper crust, Sandhurst types were already used to gay relations by the time they ruled the Arabs. Effeminate British gentlemen from all boy schools curried favor with local Arab boys and men all over the Middle East. They had a lot in common even though it was Lord over local inhabitant. Just go back and watch Lawrence of Arabia or read the 7 Pillars of Wisdom.
It is what is called a “dual use” substance.
Meaning, the substance can be used for multiple purposes.
Water treatment is one use for this compound. . .imagine the cries of outrage if the west refused to provide such an essential compound to Assad’s regime. Imagine the “poor children forced to drink sewer water because the west won’t supply this essential chemical.”
Curious there’s no mention of quantities. Tons would be interesting. Gallons would be boring. Anybody know what sodium fluoride would do in a cosmetic? Maybe Basher wanted a secret formula that could be used to eat the lips off decadent westerners?
It’s that insecticide part that’s interesting. Virtually all of the war-adapted chemical agents designed to kill people came from research into bug-killers. Some folks call them bug killers for people.
hyperlinks on the post
Pentagon Clarifies Hagels Comments That Russia Sent Chemical Weapons to Syria
ABC News ^ | September 4, 2013 | By Luis Martinez
“Well, the Russians supply them. Others are supplying them with those chemical weapons. They make some themselves.”
Britain sold nerve gas chemicals to Syria 10 months after war began
Daily Record (Scotland) ^
BRITAIN allowed firms to sell chemicals to Syria...the UK Government has been allowing the sale of these ingredients to Syria...The chemical export licences...were only revoked six months later, when the European Union imposed tough sanctions on Assads regime...The Government...granting licences to companies to export to regimes such as Syria.
UK Arms Exports: more caution needed, warn MP’s (UK exported hazardous chemicals to Syria
“I read it in the newspaper” or, “I read it on the internet” does not make it TRUE. There is NO WAY I believe odumbo when he tells us they did.
I have no argument that Britian may have sent sarin to Syria. Certaily Syria COULD have used the sarin to create the poison gas.
It still does not PROVE to me that they actually USED (meaning “fired”) weapons with that gas inside.
The rebels version of how the gas was used is more likely.
Does this prove the Brits sold NaF for the known purpose of making sarin?
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