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Pope breaks with protocol by bowing to Queen Rania of Jordan
The Telegraph ^ | 8-31-2013 | Tom Kington

Posted on 08/30/2013 10:39:56 PM PDT by bimboeruption

As head of state at the Vatican, not to mention the leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics, protocol requires visitors to bow to him when they meet him at the Holy See.

But Francis, who has made the forgetting of formalities a trademark of his papacy, bowed when he met a smiling Rania as she visited the Vatican with her husband King Abdullah II on Thursday.

"Up until the 19th century visitors would kiss the pope's shoes, and the tradition is still that all visitors, women included, bow to him, but Francis behaves as he did before he became pope and is not interested in protocol," a senior Vatican official told The Daily Telegraph.

It is not the first time the Pope has eschewed formality when receiving visitors.

When Cristina Kirchner, Argentina's president, met him in March, a day before his formal inauguration, he gave her a kiss after she presented him with a gourd for mate, the traditional Argentine tea.

"Never in my life has a Pope kissed me!", Mrs Kirchner said afterwards.

When she met the pope in July, Brazilian's first female president, Dilma Rousseff took the initiative, kissing Francis on both cheeks.

Francis' bow was just the latest in a series of signs the pope has no time for ceremony.

On Wednesday he showed up in central Rome for a religious ceremony in an unmarked Ford, without the papal flag or number plate, driven by a Vatican gendarme.

He then entered the church carrying his folded mitre tucked under one arm. The incident recalled his carrying a personal briefcase up the steps to the plane on which he flew to Brazil in July.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bow; catholic; francis; hashemitekingdom; jordan; kingabdullahii; middleeast; muslim; muslimwomen; muslimworld; pope; popefrancis; queenrania; religion; romancatholicism; vatican
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His humility thing is getting out of hand, IMHO.
1 posted on 08/30/2013 10:39:56 PM PDT by bimboeruption
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2 posted on 08/30/2013 10:40:33 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: bimboeruption

Hey, you bow at his feet if you wish to. If he thinks he is a humble person and rather do some bowing himself, then so be it.


3 posted on 08/30/2013 10:41:13 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: musicman


4 posted on 08/30/2013 10:45:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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5 posted on 08/30/2013 10:46:17 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: A CA Guy

I don’t bow to anyone.

Why is he bowing to a raghead?


6 posted on 08/30/2013 10:47:32 PM PDT by bimboeruption
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To: bimboeruption

Two things bothered me about this story.

One was his bowing, thrown in with the President’s bowing, one has to ask what the heck is going on with all this bowing, and why now, to Islam?

The other was that the writer implied that everyone bows to the Catholic Pope, I can see Catholics and Europeans doing that, but do Americans, would Reagan, or Rick Perry, or Billy Graham, or the squirrel hunting guy on the Walking Dead bow, to anyone?


7 posted on 08/30/2013 10:49:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: bimboeruption

Someday he will bow at the feet of Jesus and try to explain this.


8 posted on 08/30/2013 10:50:49 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: bimboeruption

freakin muslim president bows to muslims. now the pope. Christ can’t get back here fast enough.


9 posted on 08/30/2013 10:51:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: bimboeruption

I admire Pope Francis, but this could have come from The Onion.


10 posted on 08/30/2013 10:52:04 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Secret Agent Man

Amen!


11 posted on 08/30/2013 10:52:30 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’m with ya.


12 posted on 08/30/2013 10:54:27 PM PDT by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: bimboeruption

I think he is bowing with respect to the wife of a leader of the country as a gentleman.

Christ didn’t act from what we read in the Gospels like he was on a throne here on earth either.

I open doors for women, maybe nod to people and greet them with a “good day”. Showing signs of accessibility and respect isn’t the worst in life IMO.


13 posted on 08/30/2013 10:54:32 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bimboeruption

She is bow worthy.

14 posted on 08/30/2013 10:54:40 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: doc1019

Right, we have no King but Jesus and EVERY knee will bow before Him.


15 posted on 08/30/2013 10:55:14 PM PDT by bimboeruption
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To: Moonman62

Not to me.


16 posted on 08/30/2013 10:56:18 PM PDT by bimboeruption
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To: bimboeruption

Amen and again I say, amen.


17 posted on 08/30/2013 10:57:14 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: bimboeruption

Obozo strikes again!!! Err, oh wait, Francis bowed to a Muslim? Uhhh, errrr, huh?


18 posted on 08/30/2013 10:59:00 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: bimboeruption

I’ll defer to the Pope on this one.


19 posted on 08/30/2013 10:59:14 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ansel12

You’re right...Why would a head of state or a head of a church bow to a raghead?


20 posted on 08/30/2013 10:59:52 PM PDT by bimboeruption
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To: A CA Guy
I think he is bowing with respect to the wife of a leader of the country as a gentleman.

So all Popes do this, this is just another goofy media tale?

21 posted on 08/30/2013 11:00:52 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: Catmom

and to be clear, it’s not slamming the pope for being humble. it’s this whole crap deal of bowing to these muslim pieces of trash that would soon round us all up and either force convert us or behead us, if they could - as they do in the countries where they do this.


22 posted on 08/30/2013 11:01:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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23 posted on 08/30/2013 11:02:36 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: A CA Guy

Yes, Christ was humble, but did he bow to unbelievers?


24 posted on 08/30/2013 11:03:25 PM PDT by bimboeruption
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To: bimboeruption

Obama thinks he’s the pope, and the pope thinks he’s Obama.


25 posted on 08/30/2013 11:03:57 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Arguing with a marxist is like playing Chess with a Pigeon.)
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To: A CA Guy

yes but you know exactly how this plays in the muslim world. they give two craps about what Christ did or didn’t do. they see a leader of another religion bowing to muslims.


26 posted on 08/30/2013 11:04:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Well said and very much on the mark.


27 posted on 08/30/2013 11:04:28 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: bimboeruption

not to the pharisees, not to pontius pilate.


28 posted on 08/30/2013 11:05:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yeah, I just don’t see taking a subservient posture before someone who wants to do harm to me and everyone who believes as I do.


29 posted on 08/30/2013 11:08:06 PM PDT by bimboeruption
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’m beginning to question his fitness for the job. I’m a Baptist who respects Catholicism (the kind that still has the b@ll$ to be true to the faith). But the new Pope seems more are more to be deviating from the true church.


30 posted on 08/30/2013 11:09:41 PM PDT by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: ansel12

Yeah, I remember John Paul at times bowing in respect to others. I don’t know about this story being an issue.


31 posted on 08/30/2013 11:09:44 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bimboeruption

I don’t know about who Christ did and did not bow to. Do you have some video to back this up?

God in many cases used the worst people on earth to at times achieve stuff to His end. Christ even bothered to help prostitutes against judgment, so it seems to me he might have greeted people the same way others did in His time.


32 posted on 08/30/2013 11:13:14 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bimboeruption

Thinking about it logically, I do thing Christ could have bowed to unbelievers since he was trying to hang with them all to bring them home to Dad later. I mean you get farther with some sugar than you do sour fruit.


33 posted on 08/30/2013 11:14:37 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

You see a man civilized enough to show a sign of respect to others. You do not see him cut off heads and scream god is great.

I mean the end result seems OK to me.


34 posted on 08/30/2013 11:15:56 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

You should give us the examples of the Popes bowing to Islam’s Queens so that we can challenge this article.


35 posted on 08/30/2013 11:17:43 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: ansel12

Popes wave all the time at people. What makes you think that they have not ever greeted any leaders in typical ways?

I mean the Pope just isn’t going to stick his tongue out at these people and spray them with port, sorry.


36 posted on 08/30/2013 11:22:06 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bimboeruption
Why would a head of state or a head of a church bow to a raghead?

Why would the son of God touch lepers? Or wash the feet of his followers? How much do you know about Christianity?

37 posted on 08/30/2013 11:27:59 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: A CA Guy

Pork, not port...

I am typing poorly tonight.


38 posted on 08/30/2013 11:29:06 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Wow, you really crumbled there, suddenly you went from asking about video of Christ in post 32, and pretending that this was routine for Popes, to raving about waving, Popes sticking their tongues out, and spraying people with port.

If you were just making things up, why bother?


39 posted on 08/30/2013 11:30:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: Catmom

i don’t know. i just don’t like this “trend” of non-muslim leaders bowing to muslim leaders. rubs me wrong. don’t care how “nice” they are, don’t care about “respect”, don’t care about any rationalization tossed out to explain it  away. they don’t read that behavior the same as we do in the west, and WE ALL KNOW IT, so we shouldn’t do it because we know how they WILL view it, and how it will embolden them to do more jihad against the rest of the world.


40 posted on 08/30/2013 11:31:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Alter Kaker

So the Popes always bow to Royalty?

Did any American president before Obama?


41 posted on 08/30/2013 11:37:10 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: ansel12

Hey, you believe Popes stand around like statues waiting to have people bow to them all day if you wish. No harm IMO.

Meanwhile here is JP2 kissing and bowing to the Koran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeCYetHqudk


42 posted on 08/30/2013 11:38:40 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bimboeruption

Christ washed the feet of his betrayer and before bowing his head and dying, He prayed to His Father to forgive his executioners for they did not understand what they were doing.


43 posted on 08/30/2013 11:41:41 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: A CA Guy

Why do you lie about me and claim such a silly thing.

You sounded calm when you first made your claim, then when I asked for some evidence so that we could challenge this article, your calm fell apart and you started raving and spewing nonsense.

It is clear that you are just throwing out BS out of some weird desperation, who knows why this article so upsets you that it would cause you to embarrass yourself like this.


44 posted on 08/30/2013 11:43:52 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: A CA Guy
You sure he's a role model?
45 posted on 08/30/2013 11:44:38 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: ansel12

See #45 that someone else calmly left for all of us.


46 posted on 08/30/2013 11:46:03 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
IMO THAT was going too far because the Koran is the holy book of the Moon god. A god of war by the way.

I can understand using sugar to open up a dialogue, but JP2 IMO went too far. So lets make up for that by making him a saint, right?

47 posted on 08/30/2013 11:48:31 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bimboeruption
People are surprised that Pope Francis is polite to a woman visitor?


48 posted on 08/30/2013 11:51:14 PM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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Maybe he was getting a closer look at her finger nails. They may have had a message on them like “ISLAM SUCKS”. I don’t know.

Maybe he was looking at the wedding ring and said he knew a good jeweler that could get her a deal in the next diamond if she wished? Again, we do not know.


49 posted on 08/30/2013 11:54:17 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Now you want to change the topic, the article is not about him kissing a book, it is about him bowing to an Islamic Queen.

You claimed that bowing to Muslim Queens is normal, I asked you for your evidence so that we can challenge this article that says it isn’t, that it is a break with tradition, and so far all you have done is go kind of nuts, posting about everything except for what you and I and the article are talking about.


50 posted on 08/30/2013 11:54:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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