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NYPD Designates Mosques as Terrorism Organizations
NYT ^ | Aug. 28, 2013 | Adam Goldman and Matt Apuzzo

Posted on 08/28/2013 8:17:47 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey

NEW YORK) — The New York Police Department has secretly labeled entire mosques as terrorism organizations, a designation that allows police to use informants to record sermons and spy on imams, often without specific evidence of criminal wrongdoing.

Designating an entire mosque as a terrorism enterprise means that anyone who attends prayer services there is a potential subject of an investigation and fair game for surveillance.

Read more: http://nation.time.com/2013/08/28/nypd-designates-mosques-as-terrorism-organizations/#ixzz2dH35MYzO

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abedin; huma; jihadinamerica; mosqes; muslimamericans; newyork; newyorkcity; nypd; saudiarabia; waronterror
Im co flicted about these matters.

On the one hand a lot of mosques are already known to be terrosist supporting entities

On the other the precedent this sets up might allow for Christian Churchs to be viewed and treated in the same manner.

1 posted on 08/28/2013 8:17:47 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey
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To: MeshugeMikey

Thats ok, the NSA is happy to ignore all mosques.


2 posted on 08/28/2013 8:18:43 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Well, when you say that “freedom of religion” is protected by the Constitution, where do you draw the line on “religion”?

Admittedly, it’s a dangerous question, when the government draws the line. But I’m afraid it’s a necessary one.

The question arose when pot smokers claimed that their religion required them to consume mushrooms. It was finally determined that that was a fake religion.

What about Satanists, who say that their religion requires to go around killing people?

And what about Muslims? Can we really afford to tolerate a religion that requires it’s believers to cut off your head or enslave you because you’re an infidel? Or is there some line between “moderate” Muslims and fanatical Muslims?

Difficult questions. In this case, I think the New York police are quite right. Certainly better than Obama and Big Sis and the IRS spying on Christians because they claim that they are the real threat.


3 posted on 08/28/2013 8:28:40 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Why, the DOD has already said Christians are suspect.


4 posted on 08/28/2013 8:29:46 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: MeshugeMikey

A dozen “terrorism enterprise investigations” of mosques since 09/11/2001.

That’s an average of one per year.

This is obviously not a widespread practice by the NYPD.


5 posted on 08/28/2013 8:30:01 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Just NYC??


6 posted on 08/28/2013 8:33:22 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: Cicero

As long as they keep their hand off the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/26/pastafarian-student-allowed-to-wear-pasta-strainer-on-head-for-drivers-license-photo/


7 posted on 08/28/2013 8:34:11 AM PDT by Gettin Betta
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To: MeshugeMikey

NYPD’s cover has been blown. I smell ACLU.


8 posted on 08/28/2013 8:34:29 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: MeshugeMikey

About time someone woke up to smell the stench coming from the Taliban Command Centers disguised as houses of worship to Satan.

Although any Mosque that is not fomenting terrorism, is still an abomination to God and should be leveled to the ground anyway.


9 posted on 08/28/2013 8:37:00 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Flintlock
Just NYC??

You would think that Boston would be the first.

10 posted on 08/28/2013 8:38:49 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

I am not sure what is wrong with this.

If ANY ‘religion’ was using their gathering places to house terrorist activities then that should not make them automatically safe from surveilance.

That would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

And it is irrelevant that most muslims are not terrorists, what’s more important is that most terrorists are muslims.


11 posted on 08/28/2013 8:45:29 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

If they teach islam, which is a death cult, then they are terrorists.


12 posted on 08/28/2013 8:47:20 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: MeshugeMikey; All

I was flicking thru a relative’s cable TV this morning.

Guess what channel became available this week?

Al jazeera.

I “parental blocked” it, but the channel name still appears when you browse thru channels.

I don’t think FIOS lets you “delete” it, or make it not appear.

If anybody figures out how, please tell me.


13 posted on 08/28/2013 8:55:51 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Mr. K

Depends on your definition of terrorist. Our government has a pretty wonky view of who is and is not a terrorist.


14 posted on 08/28/2013 8:56:52 AM PDT by murrie (Mark Levin: Prosecuting stupidity nightly.)
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To: LyinLibs

Or another point of view.... You could occasionally watch it. See what the enemy is up to. Just a thought.


15 posted on 08/28/2013 8:58:52 AM PDT by murrie (Mark Levin: Prosecuting stupidity nightly.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Probable cause is key in regrardto investigating a religious organization. I’d say ifthere is probabe cause to believe that the organization is engaging in criminal acts or activities that would pose a risk involivng serious bodily harm (key phrases) then I might not have a problem with it. The “problem” is ambiguous terminolgy and its interpretation by the investigative agencies who can wield the power to opress and/or target individuals or organizations for personal or political purposes. Probable cause would need to be narrowly defined in this regard or it could be abused (like executive orders)


16 posted on 08/28/2013 9:04:16 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: MeshugeMikey

Easy, elegantly simple solution to the question of precedent consequent to supression of Islam in America is to accept the reality that Islam is a war plan/government.

Islam is not a religion. Interestingly, the Masons have had the “Three Great Religious Books” as part of their activities/ceremonies until recently. Now, the Koran is gone and the Old and New testaments remain. A book of constitutions replaced the Koran.

America must reject and remove Islam from America because Islam is antithetical to America and is irreconcilable with America.

Islam is treason. Here’s the reason:
Islam demands the entire world submit to Sharia Law.

Americans don’t do submission.

Time to play Cowboys and Muslims, Final Round.


17 posted on 08/28/2013 9:05:56 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: murrie
Or another point of view.... You could occasionally watch it. See what the enemy is up to. Just a thought.

That's why I subscribe to my Deomonrat Senator Bill Nelson's newsletter - just to keep tabs on how he's screwing me.

18 posted on 08/28/2013 9:12:53 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us about 0bama's America)
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To: MeshugeMikey

‘Bout time they figured that out...


19 posted on 08/28/2013 9:40:41 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: murrie

Or another point of view.... You could occasionally watch it. See what the enemy is up to. Just a thought.


I’m forced to do that when I go to the airport -


20 posted on 08/28/2013 9:42:20 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: MeshugeMikey

Some mosques, such as the ones the Tsarnaev brothers attended, are terrorist organizations.


21 posted on 08/28/2013 9:54:47 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Last year when I was in NYC, there were muzzlemen everywhere.

EXCEPT the Twin Towers Memorial.


22 posted on 08/28/2013 10:12:23 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: murrie

” Or another point of view.... You could occasionally watch it. See what the enemy is up to. Just a thought.”

I already wipe with the koran. That’s as close as I’m gonna get.


23 posted on 08/28/2013 10:18:53 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

It seems fairly evident to you and to me.....

there will be a firestorm of reaction

better now that later

let it begin so we can get it out of the way!


24 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:02 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Mr. K

I dont think theres a thing wrong with it.

it will likely in any case be used by certain shady creeps as precedent to allow for use against Churches. Thats just the kind of world we live in.


25 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Flintlock

If its goin on in NYC one would wonder whats holding up the rest of the Nation?


26 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Cicero

Can we really afford to tolerate a religion that requires it’s believers to cut off your head or enslave you because you’re an infidel?

I think that NYC has it right on this one. There having been a major target of these heathen cultic MURDERERS I can see why theyre Pioneering in Keeping a CLOSE eye on the source of such teachings here at Home!!


27 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: LyinLibs

I don’t have a television.

Nope I don’t own one. I have cable access and use it for my internet connection ...and possess the “box” but don’t have a TV to connect it to so Im really out of the TV loop.


28 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Mr. K

what’s more important is that most terrorists are muslims.

in order of Importance..that IS and should remain Number One


29 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: svcw

Ive let that slip out of the memory bank....


30 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: driftdiver

all US Mosques are on the NSA’s DO Not Call list?


31 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: GladesGuru
< i>islam is treason. Here’s the reason: Islam demands the entire world submit to Sharia Law.

Americans don’t do submission.

Lets Get'r; Done! Im ON Board!
32 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Cicero

I’m 100 percent in favor of bugging the mosques as a starter......

Islam STATES that we infidels are to be eliminated.

thats all the INSPIRATION I need to oppose their existance


33 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: OneVike

anyone who’s objectively taken a cursory look into the stinking koran knows precisely what islam is.

Let the firestorm begin!


34 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Little Ray

I have to wonder what sort of comments The One will make about his development.

can he remain silent and not blow his cover?


35 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: TBP

clearly.

as outsiders..which I presume that most of us posting here are there are few opportunities for us to develop PROFILES of most of these houses of cult worship. Im optimistic about this trend towards REALISM when dealing with the threat of Islam.


36 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

They resent the fact that we dared build any sort of memorial I suspect.

I further suspect that they are outraged that they didnt get away with building that proposed Ground Zero Mosque they were so enthralled with....


37 posted on 08/28/2013 10:37:03 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: MeshugeMikey

According to the stories I’ve seen “mosques” are exempt. Don’t know about all but I wouldnt bet against it.


38 posted on 08/28/2013 10:47:33 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: LyinLibs

Now thats funny right there!


39 posted on 08/28/2013 10:57:02 AM PDT by murrie (Mark Levin: Prosecuting stupidity nightly.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks MeshugeMikey.


40 posted on 08/28/2013 8:18:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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