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Obama doesn't need Congress to intervene in Syria
AFP ^ | August 26, 2013

Posted on 08/26/2013 5:01:56 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: guido911

Assad isn’t using WMDs.


51 posted on 08/26/2013 8:52:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: guido911
We cannot allow WMDs to be used against the innocent.

But who used them?

That is the question.

52 posted on 08/26/2013 9:02:50 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: TurboZamboni; All
Why Liberals Kill

President Obama to exit Afghanistan. But their heroes — from FDR to JFK — promoted U.S. involvement in more wars than all modern GOP presidents combined.

From a very long, very flattering to Obama (yet very stinging) article, from a very liberal Esquire magazine:
The Lethal Presidency of Barack Obama - Esquire, by Tom Junod, 2013 May 23

Oh, and it's also so nice to know that the NSA, IRS and who knows who else in the Obama administration are not "spying on Americans", unlike what the "evil" George W. Bush did.

I have seen "Obama 2008" and "Obama 2012" stickers and signs gone from the cars and yards after IRS and NSA scandals broke. I guess that's an informal "poll" I can trust about the cumulative disenchantment of former "true believers".

53 posted on 08/26/2013 9:11:19 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: okie01

It is a question. Not a relevant one if the targets of U.S. intervention are known. In my opinion, there are no “good guys” at this point. There are women and children being killed with CW, and I cannot stomach that. If Obama is resolute in this, and attacks who he thinks is responsible, I will support him. Damn lot better than he deserves though given his criticisms of W and the surge. But our soldiers carrying out the mission and the U.S. standing in the world is far more important than him. Be
sides, how badass will it be to say “In America, our peace prize winners will blow you away!!!”


54 posted on 08/26/2013 9:35:42 PM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members http://www.freerepublic.com/foof the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: CutePuppy
but it is the fundamental basis of the liberalism mental disorder to deny reality

in a fashion reminiscent of "Ghengis Kahn"

55 posted on 08/26/2013 9:36:47 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: guido911
It is a question. Not a relevant one if the targets of U.S. intervention are known.<

Of course, it's relevant. We've no business intervening on the side of the rebels if they are the ones who used the CW.

There are women and children being killed with CW, and I cannot stomach that.

Can you stomach women and children being killed with rifles and machetes?

The jihadi rebels seem particularly prone to massacres -- especially the Aliwite and Christian minorities.

56 posted on 08/26/2013 10:07:33 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

I get you. Rifles/machetes=use of WMD. Moving along.


57 posted on 08/26/2013 10:24:28 PM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members http://www.freerepublic.com/foof the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: guido911
I get you. Rifles/machetes=use of WMD. Moving along.>
58 posted on 08/26/2013 10:46:12 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: guido911

“We cannot allow WMDs to be used against the innocent”

And -IF- WMDs were actually used, how are you so sure WHO used them? Ask yourself, who benefits? The Syrian government was winning, and the Al Qeida Christian murdering rebels were told “a gas attack will bring the USA in on their side. And presto, we get a gas attack!

This “gas attack” is propaganda right up there with Germans bayoneting Belgian babies in WWI, and Iraqis throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait. All fake, designed to get us into the war.

And remember, Benghazi was a CIA weapons running operation to give weapons to the Syrian rebels. The Libyans had a huge chemical stockpile. There are too many lies here to simply say “people were gassed”, and wade into a senseless Islamic civil war.


59 posted on 08/26/2013 10:53:46 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: guido911

“how badass will it be to say “In America, our peace prize winners will blow you away!!!””

One side is busily murdering Christians and is flying the flag of Al Qeida, the same people who blew up the world trade center on 9/11.
On the other side is an authoritarian Israel hating moslem dictator aligned with Hezbollah and the Iranians.

Which side should the US Navy help out so you can feel macho? Which side will be the new friend of America?


60 posted on 08/26/2013 11:03:17 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: guido911

Can you stomach the genocide of Christians, ALL Christians, by the ‘rebels’? The mb murdered thousands of their own people to attract sympathy from the world press. Women and children, young and old, and the live Egypt thread shows the proof. This is rebel activity. Is this what we support? What YOU support?


61 posted on 08/26/2013 11:10:11 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: guido911
Are you willing to risk WW3 that obama is telling you the truth about who used the weapons?

Thousands of Christians are being slaughtered all over the ME and not a peep and now this.

62 posted on 08/26/2013 11:22:51 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: epluribus_2

Hey now, I like that...


63 posted on 08/27/2013 12:56:12 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Eagles6

Between changing the subject, straw men, and perhaps a little bong-induced paranoia, I am completely lost as to what I thought was the subject of the U.S. government’s response to the WMD attack in Syria. Obama says the Syrian government had the capability to deliver the CW. That’s the evidence. Now I can get into as much Alex Jones’ nutjobbery,or speculate that AQ, mb, or some other Assad opposition group gassed the Syrian people as a sort of false flag, but I don’t like Alex Jones. And WW3 over Syria? Seriously? 2 Iraq wars, numerous Israel-ME conflicts, Afghanistan...but attacking Syria because it used WMD against its own people? THAT’s going to blow up the world?


64 posted on 08/27/2013 1:03:51 AM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members http://www.freerepublic.com/foof the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: DesertRhino

Are you that dense that you cannot see the irony/hypocrisy in why I wrote what you quoted? Jeez, take the training wheels off. (that means I’m saying this is a conversation for big kids). “Macho”? meh.


65 posted on 08/27/2013 1:07:57 AM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members http://www.freerepublic.com/foof the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: guido911
I get you. Rifles/machetes=use of WMD. Moving along.

Dead = Dead

What's your point?

66 posted on 08/27/2013 1:41:34 AM PDT by LurkingSince1943 (Former War Criminal)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

By the Constitution he does:

The Constitution covers both full scale war and operations less than war:

1. Congress must declare war.

2. Congress must issue letters of marque and reprisal:

a. Marque: clandestine type operations in Founder times.

b. Reprisals: attacks less than war in retaliation for foreign misbehavior

So, despite what the War Powers act says, the Congress can fall back on the Constitution....heaven forbid they’d think of such a thing. /sarc


67 posted on 08/27/2013 4:13:33 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Its those EVIL WMD’S!!


68 posted on 08/27/2013 6:46:19 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for our country...Pray for America and the brave souls who are defending us!)
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To: Grampa Dave
It does NOT help, though, that we have Fox News, Peter King, John McQueeg, Bill Kristol, etc, etc., constantly needling zero with "Hey, what about that red line??? Huh??? Huh?? What about it???"

This is a rare case in which the country would be better served if we let zero save face and back away from his ill-advised comment.

69 posted on 08/27/2013 6:56:31 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio es enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No war for OIL!

I guess Obama Care was doing so poorly that the nation needed a diversion from the ugly sight of OBAMA FAIL!

So many scandals. ...Been Gahzying, Detroit Bankruptcy,
and No Pipelines allowed ( or the Saudis will be angry at Obama)......TIME FOR A WAR!!! LET THE SUNNIS PREVAIL AND MAY OBAMA”S SAUDI MASTERS BE HAPPY!


70 posted on 08/27/2013 7:27:46 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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71 posted on 08/27/2013 8:03:15 AM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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To: Candor7

My thinking is that these guys are really panicking. There is a lot that has gone wrong for them lately. All of liberalism seems to be collapsing.


72 posted on 08/27/2013 8:15:21 AM PDT by FreeperCell
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73 posted on 08/27/2013 8:23:54 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Ray76

Since congress won’t do anything, I suggest the military commanders tell him to shove it. I don’t mean high ranking generals and admirals. We KNOW they’re cowards when it comes to standing up for the constitution.


74 posted on 08/27/2013 8:58:58 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: South40

A military strike on Syria will help Obama’s legacy as he will be viewed as a great “war President” ...sorta like our very own Shaka Zulu —except Obama will be at the golf course while our military is doing his dirty work.


75 posted on 08/27/2013 9:07:31 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (What does it mean to be declared "guilty" in a nation without the rule of law?)
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To: dfwgator

al-Qaeda used them and is trying to frame Assad?


76 posted on 08/27/2013 9:41:56 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: guido911

So, to ‘protect the innocent’, just where do we cut off the World Police/Charity? Where does it start? Where does it end?

The starving/genocide in Africa/N. Vietnam/etc.? Women and children in Muslim countries (rape/sex trafficking/stoning/etc.)? Christian prosecution/execution in Muslim countries?

Roll in and force ‘democracy’ upon them? Whose sons/daughters will we sacrifice? Whose wallets will we drained (and ‘those in the know’ made rich)? And when it fails, as it will (and always has), how many more tries are offered...or do we base it off the military (ours) body count?

There’s the problem w/ the non-isolationist view.


77 posted on 08/27/2013 10:07:00 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of all problems.)
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To: FreeperCell

All of liberalism seems to be collapsing.>>>>>>>>

The left and its liberal fascists are painting themselves into a corner. The soluition then is always “WAR!”

I would never carry a single bullet for the Obama fascists, let alone a rifle. Eff them every one. Much of the US military feels the same way.


78 posted on 08/27/2013 10:29:22 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: CutePuppy

Oh wow, this article is so Shakespearean! Remember the “Julius Caesar” speech by Mark Anthony: “friends, Romans, countrymen”! That was hilarious irony, and actor Charleton Heston was wonderful doing it in the 50s-60s era movie “Julius Caesar”! I think the next line was: “I came not to praise Caesar but to bury him”, then he proceeded to do exactly that, to praise him, and turned the sentiment of the Roman people against Brutus!


79 posted on 08/27/2013 10:52:04 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: dsutah
Oh wow, this article is so Shakespearean! Remember the "Julius Caesar" speech by Mark Anthony: "friends, Romans, countrymen"! ... I think the next line was: "I came not to praise Caesar but to bury him", then he proceeded to do exactly that, to praise him, and turned the sentiment of the Roman people against Brutus!

Et tu Brutus! :~)

Yes, I had eerily similar feeling reading it. The article was simultaneously fawning to Obama in tone and dripping with poison of deep irony in substance.

And let's not forget another classic line from the same play, for we seem to be fast approaching it:

Something that's currently better known as Wag the Dog strategy, courtesy of [recently reformed and converted to conservative thinking] David Mamet.

80 posted on 08/27/2013 2:28:27 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Unless Congress learns to spell impeach, Obama won’t need congress for anything!


81 posted on 08/27/2013 2:55:23 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There hasn’t been a declared (and therefore legal) war waged against a sovereign nation by the USA since 1945. And Congress is largely to blame. It has been happy to let the Executive Branch wage war with little more than a fig leaf called “authorization” (and sometimes not even that); this way, if things go badly, the POTUS gets most of the blame. Cynical and shabby.


82 posted on 08/27/2013 4:10:26 PM PDT by steelhead_trout (MYOB)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

“Air strikes for what? To oust Assad so Al Qaeda can take his place?”

How dare you question Commander Zer0’s master plan ?

LOL!

Here’s my solution: Arm both sides equally and let them kill each other.


83 posted on 08/27/2013 4:40:33 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: South40

“Illegal war for oil!”

Let’s party like it’s 2008!

:)


84 posted on 08/27/2013 4:41:29 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: dfwgator

“Assad isn’t using WMDs.”

Probably not, but if he did, he’s using them on al-Qaeda. If memory serves me correctly, al-Qaeda is currently at war with the United States.

What is wrong with this picture ?


85 posted on 08/27/2013 4:45:37 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

He doesn’t need a brain, either. It’s a no-brainer./irony


86 posted on 08/27/2013 5:23:29 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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87 posted on 08/27/2013 7:01:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I guess congress and the world will do with a booty call....

Demo rats need their booty.


88 posted on 08/28/2013 7:08:56 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Jim Robinson
"Comrade Presidente Al Hussein Obama don’t need no steenking congress."

That's Col. Comrade Presidente Al Hussein Obama, to you Jim Thompson.
89 posted on 08/28/2013 7:41:41 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Al Qaeda linked groups behind Benghazi train jihadists for Syrian rebel groups! http://freebeacon.com/u-s-al-qaeda-linked-group-behind-benghazi-attack-trains-jihadists-for-syrian-rebel-groups/

When Obozo Liar decides to attack the Syrian regime, he has ensured – for the very first time in history – that the United States will be on the same side as al-Qaeda or any enemy, who has killed thousands of innocent Americans on 9/11.

Quite an alliance! The Islamic thugs/serial killers, who slaughtered thousands of innocent Americans on 9/11, will then be fighting alongside the very nation, whose innocents they so cruelly murdered almost exactly 12 years ago. The same killing thugs, who killed our ambassador and 3 others in Benghazi last September. He refused to send our military to help those Americans and allowed them to be slaughtered in Benghazi. Yet, he will use our military to fight against al Qaeda’s Syria enemies.

What would have happen to FDR if he had ordered our Flying Tigers to attack the army of China instead of Japan’s air force and troops in China? The same evil Japanese military that killed our sailors and others on December 7, 1941. The same evil Japanese military which slaughtered millions of innocent Chinese with their cruel aerial bombings and on the ground military slaughter and rape of innocent Chinese.


90 posted on 08/28/2013 8:36:04 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obozoliar and his thugs in his outhouse lie 24/7/365. They are unable to tell the truth.)
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To: onedoug

You mean piece of rice for a brain.


91 posted on 08/28/2013 9:10:37 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: i_robot73

Atrocities are everywhere abroad.

McCainiacs better get better breeding to bear more offspring to go stop them all.


92 posted on 08/28/2013 4:39:04 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: guido911

I may be alone here, but I am backing this approach. We cannot allow WMDs to be used against the innocent. I don’t care what the left said about W and Iraq. Bush was right, and this is right.

History will call out Obama as a hypocrite over his infamous condemnation of the Iraq invasion


The civilized world CANNOT abide the use of such weapons. I agree. But the worldwide Leftist movement has prospered mightily from their presence and use and will continue to undercut any organized response to them—until millions are nuked or otherwise annihilated.

Iran will build the nukes. Give them to Hezbollah or al Qaeda. They will use them in Israel or Manchester or Omaha. Or some similar scenario. The attempt to STOP this will be vilified by the Left every step of the way. They’ll get help from libertarians and other well-meaning voices on our side, righteous isolationists, etc.

There is no real leadership here. Just political calculators and huffy opponents. And the average man or woman might end up alone on the 89th floor of a burning building with the WORST CHOICE ever to be made.


93 posted on 08/29/2013 4:42:46 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: CutePuppy

Oh yeah, you’re right; I’d forgotten that line came from that play! That “wag the dog” thing that Bill Clinton was famous for, oh yeah! (smile) Ol’ Shakespeare would’ve had a ball with this pres. and his government now, would he?


94 posted on 08/30/2013 6:17:56 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: CutePuppy

Oh yeah, you’re right; I’d forgotten that line came from that play! That “wag the dog” thing that Bill Clinton was famous for, oh yeah! (smile) Ol’ Shakespeare would’ve had a ball with this pres. and his government now, would he?


95 posted on 08/30/2013 6:18:17 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: dsutah

Oops, double post, excuse me! (embarrassed)


96 posted on 08/30/2013 6:19:16 PM PDT by dsutah
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