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Tom Coburn calls for a national Constitutional Convention
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | AUGUST 22, 2013 AT 1:20 PM | By CHARLIE SPIERING

Posted on 08/22/2013 1:05:12 PM PDT by Red Badger

Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., explained to a town hall of his constituents that he wanted to call a national Constitutional Convention after reading Mark Levin’s new book, The Liberty Amendments.

“I used to have a great fear of constitutional conventions,” Coburn said according to the Tulsa World. “I have a great fear now of not having one.”

As the Tulsa World notes, a national convention is called by two-thirds of the state legislatures and is one of two ways the U.S. Constitution can be amended.

Coburn made his remarks in Muskogee, Okla.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: concon; constitution; convention; oklahoma; tomcoburn
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...and Mark Levin's amendments as well?............
1 posted on 08/22/2013 1:05:12 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

It’d be great if Mark’s book gets some of these government fed turkeys see the light!!


2 posted on 08/22/2013 1:08:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: berdie

later


3 posted on 08/22/2013 1:10:32 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Jim Robinson

It could be a dangerous thing as well. It all depends on who the delegates are and what’s their agenda. There is no guarantee that the convention would turn out like its purveyors would like..........


4 posted on 08/22/2013 1:10:47 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Put Levin in charge and let’s kick ass!


5 posted on 08/22/2013 1:12:43 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

There are no rules that I know of governing a Constitutional Convention, as to who gets to be ‘in charge’, who is allowed to attend, who is responsible for the costs and where it is to be held and what is to be discussed.................


6 posted on 08/22/2013 1:15:23 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger; y'all
I've been wondering about the delegate thing, too.

I'm sure Mark explains this in his book (I have the book, I just need to read the book...to see what's in the book), or has on his show.

If anyone has more info about this, I'd love to know. Thanks.

7 posted on 08/22/2013 1:16:08 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Red Badger

It would basically be a legislative body. It’s members would be appointed by the states and the members would choose a president. Just like the original convention or the state conventions. The only difference would be it would not be a complete rewrite, it would just be a means other than the congress to submit amendments to the states.


8 posted on 08/22/2013 1:17:32 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: LibLieSlayer
FINALLY!!!
9 posted on 08/22/2013 1:18:10 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Red Badger; Jim Robinson; sickoflibs; holdonnow; Biggirl

He statement may be illusionary, but I will take him as his word for now.


10 posted on 08/22/2013 1:20:40 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: Errant

We need more Constitutional amendments for the politicians and judges to ignore?


11 posted on 08/22/2013 1:20:46 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Red Badger

All delegates to the Con Con will not be conservaatives. This is a bad idea to the 10th power.


12 posted on 08/22/2013 1:20:53 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Red Badger

Whatever the convention came up with would have to be approved by 3/4ths of the 50 states, so what is your concern?


13 posted on 08/22/2013 1:22:03 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Red Badger
It could be a dangerous thing as well. It all depends on who the delegates are and what’s their agenda. There is no guarantee that the convention would turn out like its purveyors would like..........

We ain't got crap going for us as it is, can you think of another option to peaceably take back control of our government again?

To be honest, I don't think we even have time for this option, as fast as we are being sold out on a daily basis.

14 posted on 08/22/2013 1:22:08 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: Red Badger
Concerning how delegates to an Amendments Convention would be chosen and how it would conduct business, I have two reference works.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

There are conflicts between the two visions, and Congress may end up sorting them out.

15 posted on 08/22/2013 1:22:22 PM PDT by Publius (And so, night falls on civilization.)
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To: cotton1706
It’s members would be appointed by the states and the members would choose a president.

But who in the state? The governor? The State Legislature? A committee of that legislature? That's the key. Let the GOP get control of enough governorships and/or legislatures and it should be a breeze, right?....................

16 posted on 08/22/2013 1:22:45 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Not necessarily. If the GOP can get enough governors on board, it could be done making sure that the majority of delegates would be ‘on our side’, as it were.........


17 posted on 08/22/2013 1:23:59 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“All delegates to the Con Con will not be conservaatives. This is a bad idea to the 10th power.”

The delegates would be representatives of their states, which is appropriate. The convention would still vote on what amendments they would send to the states, and three-fourths of the state legislatures would still need to ratify them.

Remember that the equal rights amendment never got through, even in the liberal 70’s and even after extending the ratification time.


18 posted on 08/22/2013 1:24:29 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: GeronL
No, we just need to eliminate one in particular: Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution :)

There may be additional momentum with the IRS scandals making headlines.

19 posted on 08/22/2013 1:24:46 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Removing an amendment like that would be nice


20 posted on 08/22/2013 1:25:18 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Publius

A Constitutional Convention would be solely at the discretion of the States, without any input or interference from Congress. That’s the whole idea, to bypass Congress...........


21 posted on 08/22/2013 1:26:23 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

“But who in the state? The governor? The State Legislature? A committee of that legislature? That’s the key. Let the GOP get control of enough governorships and/or legislatures and it should be a breeze, right?.................... “

That duty would generally fall to the state legislatures. If it was done in committee, they would still need a full floor vote.


22 posted on 08/22/2013 1:26:44 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Red Badger
It's not going to happen. And does he really expect that Democrats and liberals won't run and be elected to the convention? That somehow everybody there would be conservative?

Maybe Coburn's thinking a convention would vote on its decisions by state. That won't happen. Too many delegates would want the votes to be apportioned by population.

I could see a constitutional convention (if one ever happened) breaking up over just that issue.

23 posted on 08/22/2013 1:27:36 PM PDT by x
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To: cotton1706
Remember that the equal rights amendment never got through, even in the liberal 70’s and even after extending the ratification time.

Regardless, they got everything that the proposed amendment would have given them anyway through legislation.............

24 posted on 08/22/2013 1:27:49 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: x; Errant

Better idea:

Have your state pass an amendment repealing the 16th amendment


25 posted on 08/22/2013 1:28:23 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Red Badger

The delegates to any Constitutional Convention will be made up of politicians. The thought of opening up the Constitution to the Pelosis and Reids and McConnells and Boehners of the world to “fix” it scares the hell out of me.


26 posted on 08/22/2013 1:28:53 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: The Cajun

It is the Last best hope.............


27 posted on 08/22/2013 1:29:07 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: GeronL
Exactly! Talk about starving the BEAST!!! lol

We repealed the 18th (Prohibition). The 16th is only two numbers lower - would be nice to take out the 17th while we're at it, but not if it complicates things...

28 posted on 08/22/2013 1:29:08 PM PDT by Errant
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To: GeronL

“Better idea:

Have your state pass an amendment repealing the 16th amendment”

It doesn’t work that way. A state may not originate the amendment process. It has to come from the congress or from a convention.


29 posted on 08/22/2013 1:29:55 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Red Badger

What difference does the language of the Constitution make? No one follows it now anyway...

Besides, would the asshats running the country then be referred to as the new “founders?”


30 posted on 08/22/2013 1:31:29 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Red Badger

A constitutional convention is the most dangerous idea I have heard lately.

Amendments can be proposed and voted on by the states if changes are required.

Once a constitutional convention is opened, everything can change. Do we really want to do that when the left control so much of the power right now?

This idea is insane.


31 posted on 08/22/2013 1:31:47 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: cotton1706

What convention originated the ERA amendment that passed in so many states?


32 posted on 08/22/2013 1:32:24 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: 0.E.O

“The delegates to any Constitutional Convention will be made up of politicians. The thought of opening up the Constitution to the Pelosis and Reids and McConnells and Boehners of the world to “fix” it scares the hell out of me.”

The members of the original convention and the state convetion were the politicians of the day (a much wiser lot, mind you). There will definitely be politics involved in choosing the delegates, as there was then. It will be battled out in the legislative chambers. This is how we do things in republican governments.


33 posted on 08/22/2013 1:32:30 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: GeronL

The congress originated the ERA amendment. A convention has never been used.


34 posted on 08/22/2013 1:33:08 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

it’s a bad idea all around


35 posted on 08/22/2013 1:34:02 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Red Badger
The first bill to regulate the conduct of an Amendments Convention was introduced by Sen. Everett Dirksen in 1967 when it looked like there might be enough states on board to hold a convention to reverse the One Man/One Vote decision. Upon Dirksen's death, the bill was carried forward by Sen. Sam Ervin, and after his retirement by Sen. Orrin Hatch. Hatch last introduced the bill in 1991, and it failed to pass the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Two Supreme Court decisions, Dillon v. Gloss in 1921, and Coleman v. Miller in 1939, grant Congress wide latitude to regulate all facets of the amendatory process provided that regulation does not contravene the words and intent of Article V. This is why Congress believes it has the right to regulate an Amendments Convention. The ABA Report also agrees with this and features recommendations for congressional legislation to determine delegate choice and conduct of the convention.

In the end, I suspect the Supreme Court will have to decide just how much leeway Congress has to regulate an Amendments Convention.

36 posted on 08/22/2013 1:34:16 PM PDT by Publius (And so, night falls on civilization.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

“Amendments can be proposed and voted on by the states if changes are required.”

They cannot. Only the congress or a convention can submit amendments to the state legislatures for ratification.

And one of Levin’s amendments is to grant the power to the states to originate ameendments.


37 posted on 08/22/2013 1:34:43 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: GeronL

“it’s a bad idea all around”

We know the congress will not act. We must bypass them. They don’t see to care about bypassing us all the time.


38 posted on 08/22/2013 1:36:01 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Red Badger

Anyone care to share Levin’s amendments?


39 posted on 08/22/2013 1:36:20 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: cotton1706
A state may not originate the amendment process.

No, the State's start the process, Congress has to call it by law (Constitution), but haven't in the past. The GOP does control congress (somewhat), and we have hot potato IRS issue now working for us. Perhaps opportunity is knocking...

40 posted on 08/22/2013 1:36:20 PM PDT by Errant
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To: cotton1706

I would rather not call a constitutional convention because it opens the door to political skulduggery by those who would like to destroy our country. And with the weak kneed-ed Republicans afraid of their shadow it could turn into a disaster.


41 posted on 08/22/2013 1:36:38 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Errant

The GOP does not control Congress in reality. In reality the Congress abdicated its powers to the executive branch


42 posted on 08/22/2013 1:37:36 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: 0.E.O

And it would be, in many cases, those idiots from the state level. The only thing this would accomplish in my state (Mass) is that they would be out of state for a while.


43 posted on 08/22/2013 1:38:44 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: cotton1706
We must bypass them

Who is "We", we are going to end up with proposed amendments from leftists who will probably dominate the Convention.

44 posted on 08/22/2013 1:38:52 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Errant

“No, the State’s start the process”

The states can call for a convention. They may not submit an amendment to the other states for ratification. Amendments must come from the Congress or a convention. That’s what I meant.


45 posted on 08/22/2013 1:39:17 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706; GeronL
How to Call a Convention

Article V of the Constitution gives the states the power to call for a Constitutional Convention. To do so, two-thirds of the states—34 out of 50 state legislatures—must pass an application calling for a Convention. If enough states pass this simple resolution, then Congress must call a Convention so that states can propose amendments to the Constitution.

The application states must pass does not need to provide a reason for the Convention—states can call a Convention for any reason. However, there is no guarantee the Convention will address the complaints of the states, as delegates at the Convention may introduece and pass whatever Amendments they see fit. (States may try to remedy this by electing their delegates to the Convention.)

Any amendments that come out of the convention have to be ratified by the legislatures of, or by conventions in, at least three-quarters of the states to become part of the Constitution of the United States.

http://www.callaconvention.org/resolution.php

46 posted on 08/22/2013 1:40:04 PM PDT by Errant
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To: GeronL

“Who is “We”, we are going to end up with proposed amendments from leftists who will probably dominate the Convention.”

“we” as in the people. And the if the leftists propose a number of worthless amendments, they will never get through three-fourths of the legislaturs and will expire.


47 posted on 08/22/2013 1:40:32 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yep. Think of the consequences to the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 10th to name a few if the Dems got their way.


48 posted on 08/22/2013 1:40:43 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Errant

passed in how many years? 10?

Trayvon Martin amendment to legalize black on white beat downs as a reparation for slavery

An amendment to provide free housing and medical care to all Democrats?


49 posted on 08/22/2013 1:42:18 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: ANGGAPO

“I would rather not call a constitutional convention because it opens the door to political skulduggery”

This too is nothing new. At the original convention, Patrick Henry adamantly refused to be a delegate because he “smelt a rat!”


50 posted on 08/22/2013 1:42:21 PM PDT by cotton1706
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