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Two Dems Warn NSA Violations Just ‘Tip of a Larger Iceberg’
PJ Media ^ | August 16, 2013 - 2:59 pm | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 08/17/2013 1:48:52 AM PDT by Olog-hai

A pair of civil-liberties Democrats whom the White House tried to appease in a closed-door meeting warned today that fresh reports of thousands of privacy violations by the National Security Agency are just the “tip of a larger iceberg.”

On Thursday, the Washington Post published its report of a May 2012 audit leaked by former contractor Edward Snowden that found 2,776 violations over the previous year of executive orders and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act provisions governing spying on Americans or foreign targets in the U.S. These included both computer and operator errors.

Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.) have been some of President Obama’s harshest critics—within his party and outside—on domestic spying. They were among allies and foes of the NSA programs summoned by Obama to the Oval Office at the beginning of the month as he hoped to calm his detractors before promising new, vague reforms. …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Colorado; US: District of Columbia; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: benghazi; california; colorado; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; markudall; nsa; nsaleaks; nsascandal; oregon; ronwyden; surveillancestate

1 posted on 08/17/2013 1:48:52 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Nothing to see here folks everyone knows that demonrats would never do anything wicked S/O


2 posted on 08/17/2013 1:54:09 AM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Olog-hai
Democrats are Law-Less

Republicans are Ball-Less

3 posted on 08/17/2013 1:56:37 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Fai Mao

Think Udall and Wyden are going to be taken to the Ministry of Love for their offenses against Party orthodoxy . . . ?


4 posted on 08/17/2013 1:59:29 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Fai Mao

One conclusion I’ve come to is...the difference between dens and repubs is there is a limit to what repubs will do to hold onto power. The dems have no limit.


5 posted on 08/17/2013 1:59:36 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Olog-hai

Once they convert phone conversations to text they can say they are not listening. If they are listening, they need the court’s permission. If they are reading text, they do not need the court’s permission.

Through voice recognition software, phone conversations of any language can be put into English and stored as text. Text takes little storage space. Easy to do a word search when it is in text. Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy.


6 posted on 08/17/2013 2:05:28 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Olog-hai

In the end, they will do as they are told. After all, Party trumps personal liberty for the Democrats.


7 posted on 08/17/2013 3:34:25 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Olog-hai

What gets me is that two democrats have been the harshest critics...


8 posted on 08/17/2013 3:50:13 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Where are we going, and what's with the handbasket?)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.), doing a little CYA, thanks Olog-hai.


9 posted on 08/17/2013 4:00:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Olog-hai; Liz; AT7Saluki
Feinsteen says they didn't mean it.

Feinstein: NSA hasn’t ‘intentionally abused its authority’

10 posted on 08/17/2013 4:18:12 AM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Olog-hai
“The disclosed documents demonstrate that there was no intentional and willful violation of the law and that the NSA is not collecting the email and telephone traffic of all Americans, as previously reported,” asserted House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Mich.).

Lying NSA poodle.

11 posted on 08/17/2013 5:46:53 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Libloather
That reminds me of a story my high school science teacher told. She wanted the polarized lenses from her husband's sunglasses for a class demonstration so she broke the frame and said “oopsie” like it was an accident. I believe the NSA has been saying “oopsie” a lot for a long time.
12 posted on 08/17/2013 7:21:43 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: jonrick46
From the article,

Today, he and Udall said “the public deserves to know more about the violations of the secret court orders that have authorized the bulk collection of Americans’ phone and email records under the USA PATRIOT Act.”

“The public should also be told more about why the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has said that the executive branch’s implementation of section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act has circumvented the spirit of the law, particularly since the executive branch has declined to address this concern,” they continued.


Could be as you suggested. These two are indicating that what's being collected goes beyond what even the FISA court think the intent of the Act is.
13 posted on 08/17/2013 7:39:10 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Olog-hai

Would anyone be surprised to discover that Obama and cronies were listening to the conversations of their political opponents? To Congress? To federal judges? To political activists? To conservative organizations like Heritage?

Nope, didn’t think so.


14 posted on 08/17/2013 8:08:33 AM PDT by BAW (Recall and replace Mayor Filner.)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!

15 posted on 08/17/2013 8:21:31 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie; Ann Archy; Olog-hai; Fai Mao; Cowboy Bob
Everybody is confused because they are trying to break it out along political party lines and the issue is breaking out along foreign policy doctrine lines.

Yes Wyden and Udall are democrats, but the key is that they are antiwar pacifist democrats, And their allies on the NSA issue are the right wing isolationist republicans.

In the GOP there are 3 foreign policy groups, schools, or doctrines: Realists, NeoCons, and Isolationists.

In the dem party there are Realists, Liberal Interventionists, and Antiwar Pacifists.

The Realist Republicans, the Realist Democrats, the NeoCon Republicans, and the Liberal Interventionist Democrats all support NSA snooping activities

The Antiwar Pacifist democrats and Isolationist republicans oppose NSA snooping.

The issue of whether or not the US intervenes in Syria breaks out the same way.

16 posted on 08/17/2013 8:40:30 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Olog-hai

bookmark


17 posted on 08/17/2013 9:27:11 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Olog-hai

“Think Udall and Wyden are going to be taken to the Ministry of Love for their offenses against Party orthodoxy . . . ?”

No. But they will lead the “meaningless-bandaid-to-prevent-electoral-damage-in 2014” brigade.


18 posted on 08/17/2013 10:40:43 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Timber Rattler

“Plus”, Rogers continued “they showed me what they have on me.”


19 posted on 08/17/2013 11:58:55 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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To: Olog-hai

“...Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.) have been some of President Obama’s harshest critics...”

And yet, they’re STILL democrats...


20 posted on 08/17/2013 2:47:23 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Supporting NSA big brother spying makes you a “realist”? Really? I’d say the realists are the ones that actually care about the 4th amendment.


21 posted on 08/17/2013 4:11:19 PM PDT by RB156
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To: Olog-hai

A huge misperception about the CIA is that it has a right-wing culture —the truth is the exact opposite.

I am beginning to think the NSA is the same.

HOW could you believe in LIMITED GOVERNMENT, but have a career there, storing and vetting ALL the electronic data of the whole country?

It is an Agency of Mayor Bloombergs, from the top to the bottom.

The NSA is NYC on steroids —it has nothing to do with America, and The Founders would have had NOTHING to do with any part of it’s mission.


22 posted on 08/17/2013 4:18:32 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: RB156
Supporting NSA big brother spying makes you a “realist”? Really? I’d say the realists are the ones that actually care about the 4th amendment.

Depends on the meaning of "realist". Same problem with "pragmatist". One might consider either of them to be that one is aware of the truth of the situation and accepts that it is what it is (almost fatalistic - or, on the flip side, complicity in tyranny). Not to be confused with actually wanting to make things right with the truth.

23 posted on 08/18/2013 3:47:28 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Olog-hai

Two of the biggest leftists in Congress. Making a grandstand show of ignorance, at which they are very good.


24 posted on 08/18/2013 9:38:48 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Olog-hai
It's both your meta and Mega data that they have.

What's to hide?

25 posted on 08/19/2013 6:51:08 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Olog-hai

Such as the NSA has had direct access to every bank account through the federal reserve banking system. Wait until everyone gets a sniff of that little doody.


26 posted on 08/19/2013 6:53:22 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Cool.

Do you have the spreadsheet for all 535 'critters?

27 posted on 08/19/2013 6:54:41 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Funny how the GOP doesn’t complain though. Two Democrats do the right thing, and where is the GOP?


28 posted on 08/20/2013 6:55:06 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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