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History of Liberty: Judge Napalitano on the Civil War and the Gilded Age
http://www.youtube.com ^ | June 12, 2012

Posted on 08/16/2013 7:59:53 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Lincoln's "actions were unconstitutional and he knew it," writes Napolitano, for "the rights of the states to secede from the Union . . . [are] clearly implicit in the Constitution, since it was the states that ratified the Constitution . . ." Lincoln's view "was a far departure from the approach of Thomas Jefferson, who recognized states' rights above those of the Union." Judge Napolitano also reminds his readers that the issue of using force to keep a state in the union was in fact debated -- and rejected -- at the Constitutional Convention as part of the "Virginia Plan."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andrewnapolitano; civilwar; geraldorivera; judgenapolitano; kkk; klan; racist; randsconcerntrolls; randsconverntrolls; ronpaul
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To: Tau Food

I think it is better to discuss history with people with less emotional investment. I can see both arguments as valid on this particular debate.

So, who wants to discuss the Manchu dynasty?

:p


81 posted on 08/17/2013 3:32:03 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: HMS Surprise
"The Revolution was secession from England."

That might be an oversimplification, but since it was the final result it's true enough.

As far as an implied secession option in the constitution. Since Southern states were forced to ratify the 14th and 15th amendments to be admitted back in the Union after the war, it certainly seems like they had effectively opted out previously.

82 posted on 08/17/2013 3:36:05 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: GeronL
So, who wants to discuss the Manchu dynasty?

Well, you can count me out. That wound is still way too fresh for most of us. ;-)

83 posted on 08/17/2013 3:38:17 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: donmeaker

Who were the Republicans on the side of the Confederacy?


84 posted on 08/17/2013 3:41:33 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Tau Food

lol

Actually I found out that they changed their name to Manchu from Jerchin or Jurchin or something like that, I guess they absorbed enough area and people to need a change


85 posted on 08/17/2013 3:43:00 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

I’m not Chinese, but I have some very “Manchuvian” desires. I can’t even get the family dog to kowtow for me, though.


86 posted on 08/17/2013 3:49:01 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I bet it was Jeff Davis under Lincoln’s mind control, that was forced to act as an eeevilll Republican when he ordered Beauregard to fire on Ft. Sumter.


87 posted on 08/17/2013 4:02:48 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: moehoward

they were never out of the union. They had to ratify the various amendments to regain self government after their insurrection.


88 posted on 08/17/2013 4:04:54 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: GeronL

I watched Charleston Heston’s Boxer Rebellion piece recently.

“55 Days at Peking.”


89 posted on 08/17/2013 4:11:52 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
"they were never out of the union."

"The Civil War caused in part by Chief Justice Taney's dictum in the Dred Scott case that Congress could not bar slavery from the territories, resulted, of course, in the destruction of slavery. The Thirteenth Amendment formally abolished the institution. The Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments, which the Southern states were forced to ratify in order to get back into the Union, made Blacks citizens, prohibited the states from depriving "all persons" of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law, and made it illegal to deny anyone the right to vote "on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude." - Quarrels That Have Shaped the Constitution. 2nd ed

It's my old ConLaw text I just happened to be re-re-reading.

90 posted on 08/17/2013 4:59:05 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“And that he was a Republican.”

When I was in school they did teach that but it seems that is something that gets dropped now.


91 posted on 08/17/2013 5:43:47 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: donmeaker

Not to be confused with “55 days Peeking at the neighbor”


92 posted on 08/17/2013 5:49:39 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

I bet that was why they changed the name of their cit.y...

Like Burma, Myanmar Shave doesn’t have the same cachet


93 posted on 08/17/2013 6:07:55 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: moehoward

I suggest your Con-Law text author(s) need to reread Texas v. White.


94 posted on 08/17/2013 6:11:08 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Yes. It must have been embarrassing to live in the “gelded age”


95 posted on 08/17/2013 6:18:18 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: nathanbedford
Wow. A rare thing witnessed, if you'll pardon the intrusion, sir. A gentleman.
96 posted on 08/17/2013 6:40:15 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: NKP_Vet

A Dixiecrat is a Democrat through and through.


97 posted on 08/17/2013 6:43:38 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: nathanbedford

Thank you sir. I’m from Kearny NJ. Named after it’s most famous son Union General Phillip J. Kearny, ‘’Hero Of The Wilderness’’.


98 posted on 08/17/2013 6:49:04 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

Dixiecrats didn’t believe in queer “marriage” and murdering the unborn. Hell a difference in a Dixiecrat and any democrat.


99 posted on 08/17/2013 7:22:51 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

No, they just believed in keeping blacks as second-class citizens.


100 posted on 08/17/2013 8:21:43 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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